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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:22 AM
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Vatican asks Condoleezza Rice to help stop a sex abuse lawsuit
http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn030305.htm

By John L. Allen Jr.
NCR Rome Correspondent


Alongside predictable exchanges on Iraq, the Middle East and religious liberty, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice in her Feb. 8 visit to the Vatican also received an unexpected request -- to intervene in a U.S. lawsuit naming the Holy See as the defendant in a sex abuse case.

Church sources told NCR that Rice was asked by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State, whether the United States government could stop a class-action lawsuit currently before a United States District Court in Louisville, Ky., that seeks to hold the Vatican financially responsible for the sexual abuse of minors.

Sources told NCR that Rice explained that under American law, foreign states are required to assert claims of sovereign immunity themselves before U.S. courts.

Vatican spokesperson Joaquin Navarro-Valls, asked by NCR for comment, responded March 2: "It's obvious and reasonable that the Holy See would present its positions as a sovereign entity to the American State Department, and recall the immunity for its acts that international law anticipates."

It's not the first time, according to observers, that the Vatican has asked the State Department for help on a legal matter.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:24 AM
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1. Excuse sexual abuse of minors?
Wonder what Condi will do.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:24 AM
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2. As they say, "Follow the Money" ....
rate this up, everyone needs to know!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:46 AM
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9. Done, recommended. What a sham.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:28 AM
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3. Let'em and I'll put a bumpersticker on my car that proclaims
Bush supports No Child's Behind Left Untouched

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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:34 AM
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4. Malloy was saying that Pope Rat had a major role in stonewalling
on this, passing it off because there were so few priests involved, no more than in society in general. Mike was brilliant tonight, saying the new Pope Rat was just like Republicans and George Bush. ...They just don't seem to take responsiblity and want to skate around the tough stuff.

The Catholic Church as jumped the shark completely with this guy....
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:37 AM
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5. Always more to it I'm afraid.
The dominionists believe in no responsibility of their actions, quite literally at all. He and his patriarchs seek immediate immunity from the United States, and they will get it from this government, because they're all belonging to the same network.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:05 AM
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7. maybe they should be called the pro-molester party.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:04 AM
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6. and it turn they will excommunicate any pro choice voters?
hhmmmm...is that the deal? I guess all candidates will simply have to claim that they are non committed on the issue. That way, the church can't condemn the voters.

If shrub can say he is for amending the constitution to outlaw abortions during the election, then refuse to act on it once in office, then surely others can claim uncommitted and act as they please on the subject once elected.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:33 AM
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8. I keep thinking, they've cut a deal.
We'll help you round up Catholic voters; you help us disappear this sexual abuse problem.

International law, my bald headed granny.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:51 AM
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10. Scum..amoral scum every last mother fucking one of them
Will Codisleeza do the biding of the pedophile enablers
& interfere in this class action.

It's 50 50 imo
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:24 AM
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11. Send the one paragraph to every fundie you know, all the ones that are
on the CC list of those stupid emails that you've been forwarded over and over:



Church sources told NCR that Rice was asked by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican's Secretary of State, whether the United States government could stop a class-action lawsuit currently before a United States District Court in Louisville, Ky., that seeks to hold the Vatican financially responsible for the sexual abuse of minors.


Let them get all worked up about it, passing it to everyone on their church list - this is one time that people should be working together, regardless of political persuasion. Lets rally Shrub's base and get them to work with us for once.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:39 AM
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12. I understand that Ratzy..
.. has stated explicitly that he doesn't like the way his priests are being picked on as a way to attack the RCC in the USA. Oh pulleezze.

I have no respect for this guy.. none.

Sue
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 07:23 AM
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13. Kick
n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 10:53 AM
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14. Gettin' crazy here in KY...We're becoming Ground Zero for Fund-A-Mentals
Between Six Flags Over Jesus (Southeast Christian Church) hosting anti-gay sessions and Highview Baptist Church's new mega-church hosting this Justice Sunday bullshit thing, I'm stressing out!!
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 12:26 PM
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15. Nice...
and such an appropriate time to bring up the scandal. Have they no shame? What about these poor boys whose lives will forever be altered?
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