Perspective: Ratzinger is NOT a true Pope!!!!

I will submit that Ratzinger is NOT the true Pope. The Cardinals did NOT listen to god when they made their selection. I will tell you why.


Catholic and many other theologies believe that god has a plan for every person born. If this is the case, the identities and life plan or Popes are pre-ordained when they are born. JPII was MEANT to be Pope. And his lifetime up till selection was merely a demonstration of being "annointed".


The works of a man will demonstrate who he is. Bible stories are filled with men who undergo extra-ordinary torment on behalf of God's will. They "Do the Right Thing" regardless of personal consequences. All that matters is God's will and salvation.

Ratzinger's membership in the Hitler Youth demonstates that he was not "annointed". This was an EVIL organization. Any man annointed to lead God's true faith would instinctively resist any intiation into evil. He would suffer great personal hardships, and prefer death to wearing the uniform ordered upon him by Satan's Demon Prince on Earth Adolph Hitler.

A man cannot have two masters. Any man who has served Satan can repent. He who was wicked can change his ways as Psaul of Tarsus shows us. But such a man CANNOT lead God's true faith. Such a man must be a servant of God every moment of his life as Jesus was.

Ratzinger is a pretender to the throne of Christ. And his actions will bear him out.

---------------------
My talking points on Ratzinger (Clavin I)

I would say "this is crap," but I'm trying to be polite. The Pope is not annointed. He is a person of power chosen by other people of power, for political and business reasons.

The whole idea that the Pope could be someone "annointed" is what the Church wants you to believe.

Where do you get this stuff, anyway??

According to the Church, the Pope is supposed to be chosen by God. If they LISTEN to god, they will choose the man that god has ordained. If not, they will choose a false pope.

Look, I'm just arguing in the frame of reference of THEIR rules. And when dealing with someone brainwashed, it's valuable to be able to set their own rules againt them (since conversation on a rational level is impossible).

All the Praise Jesus folks keep telling us that god has a PLAN for everyone from the moment you are born. Than it follows that any man meant to lead God's true faith is pre-ordained since every person has a "plan" when he is born.

The question is whether or not the Cardinals were "listening to God" when they made their votes. I say they were not. Because Ratzinger's life does not reflect that of a man who listened to God every moment of his life and lived a pure "christ-like" existence.

Someone truly annointed and "in tune" with god would have fled evil rather than donning it's frock. Deserting the Hitler Youth in 1945 is hardly unique. The whole country (along with the SS enforcers) were falling apart. A man who could stand against Satan's agent at the height of his power ... THAT is the sign of god's annointed leader.

He was drafted into the German army in 1943, at the age of sixteen. In September 1944 he was released from service, but received a draft notice upon his return home. His unit was sent to Hungary, and he returned home again in November 1944. After 3 weeks at home he was drafted and assigned to the infantry and posted to an area near his home.

In early April or May 1945 he deserted his unit and returned to his village on the outskirts of Traunstein. So not only did he have the chance to say no to joining the Hitler Jugend, he also had at least 3 different chances to refuse to serve in the German army.

By the way Pope Benedict's war time activities are taken from his own memoirs and accounts of his brother Georg, in other words there are no other witnessess to what he may or may not have done.

Kind of conveinient, wouldn't you say?

Again, been trying to ignore what I have no control over today and am predjudiced against (The Church). Thanks for the info.

The college of cardinals knows that they're supposed to be listening to the voice of God on this issue, so they know the spiritual weight they're carrying when they vote for a pope. Indeed, in the absence of a Pope, they're the ultimate authority in the Church. And apparently it was OK with them to have a Hitlerjugend alumnus as Holy Father.

Don't use reason and logic on believers. They will tell you their belief "transcends" such mundane exercises.

You'll just come off as a basher.

Edited to add: You can stop yelling at me now too please as I didn't know what you've responded. Thanks to all who have responded to me here on this. I have done little research into the pope as I'm extrememly predjudiced against The Church and distrust everything and have no say into anything about them. So, I had heard that he was drafted and deserted, and hadn't heard all this. Thanks for the further information about his Hitler times.

why weren't the youth of White Rose Society? :shrug: Or was that before his time?

"why weren't the youth of the White Rose Society" what? Thanks.

In poor grammar, he means why didn't Ratzinger choose to join the White Rose Society instead of the Hitler Youth.

The White Rose society was active in opposing National Socialism. They were VERY brave individuals who risked their life attempting to subvert and bring down Hitler.

Any one of these individuals (if still alive) would make a better Pontiff than Ratzinger.

Thanks for the info, and to the poster above. I've not listened to much about the Pope due to extreme prejudice on my part.

While he was a Hitler youth he organized Jewish slave labor from concentration camps, manned anti-air guns and used Jewish slave labor to dig anti-tank trenches to try and keep allied tanks from reaching concentration camps.

I find it little wonder he deserted during the timeframe he did. Germany was losing and it was obvious. The end was near and he fled.

Bravo Pope Fuere!

His organization of condemmed men into trench digging crews was merely an effort to get them a little fresh air before they were gassed to death. And his manning anti-aircraft guns were purely an effort to preserve the prisoners dignity by preventing from being photographed from the air in a state of their emaciated shame.

</sarcasm>

And he served THREE different times in the frock of Satan's army!!!

Deserting in 1945 as the SS fell apart and lost control of Germany is hardly a sign of bravery. MOST of the German army left at that time DESERTED!!!! There was no one left to issue discharge notices as if they really cared at that point.

A servant of god ordained (by god's plan for each of us) to be the Holy Father, would have resisted. Ratzinger just went along with the flow helping to keep Jews starving to death inside the facilities he guarded.

As a man, I do not fault him. He was just a kid. But this man was appointed HOLY FATHER!!!! Such a man must show his metal HIS ENTIRE LIFE just as Jesus did!!!!!

he'd be making a movie called "Pope Strangelove and how you learn to love child sex abuse by Priests."

The man the cardinals chose IS the true pope. End of story. Whether we are disappointed or not, he is the holy father. I intend on taking him with a grain of salt like JPII but I will certainly have respect for him and if you're Catholic, you should too. This isn't like bush where he's paid off and corrupt. Whatever he does, he's just doing what he thinks is best.

I am a struggling Catholic. I am going to keep listening to my
conscience. I appreciate your comments very much!

Lupita

for the treachery of the religious right. Someone might wish to give the Pope the benefit of the doubt.

After 30 years of suffering under conservatism only to learn that it was all lies, I have no respect or tolerance for it. Hopefully Catholics will understand that we want the Pope and our Republican emporers to hear our anger and suffering. Enough is enough.

And I have this bad habit of giving respect when it's earned, not before.

As for him doing what he thinks is best, well that's a matter of opinion. Personally I never thought that the Priest molestation reports in the US media was an attack on the church, but he did.

I don't know for sure which of the Christian religions are right, but I don't think that they are deficient, but he did.

So please excuse me me if I don't hold to your concept of blind respect. He'll just have to do it the old fashion way with me, he'll have to earn it.

truly God's representative. When Jesus said to Peter, on this rock I will build my church, could he have been pointing at himself? Jesus often scolded Peter as foolish.

Perhaps, Ratzinger could be the successor to Peter who was famous for three times denying he even knew Jesus. Ratzinger and Peter are/were clearly imperfect humans.

A true Church could only follow Jesus who is perfect. Otherwise, with an imperfect leader, any human organization could claim to be thee church. But only one Church with Jesus as Pope can be the true Church.

Sorry if this got too "preachy."

After watching the man heal the sick and raise the dead, when he was aked if he knew the man, he said NO. Not once. But THREE TIMES!

Now that's a rock.

Peter -
Enters into the service of Jesus Christ, follows and mimics his exploits. Denies knowing Christ three times for the sake of saving his own ass at the end. Goes on to take Christ's ministry to Rome.

Ratzinger -
Willingly enters the service of an inhuman monster, Adolph Hitler. Three times he enters Satan's military service. Whether it was for the sake of saving his own ass is debateable.

One this if for sure that Peter didn't dig ditches around Calvary to keep Christ's followers from storming the place and getting him off the cross. Peter didn't stand guard at a death camp.


Something similar here, but I don't thing it's in nearly the same context. Ratzinger kinda strikes me as someone drawn to authoritarian rule. First to Hitler, than to the Church when his first love was destroyed by allied forces.

Ratzinger was charged with enforcing Orthodoxy. You'll forgive my saying so, but this is EXACTLY what fascists do. They ENFORCE Orthodoxy instead of convincing people of it.

Ratzinger is a fascist. A fascist is all the same whether they served in Germany or Rome (hah, a pun). Jesus was NOT a fascist. He was kind and forgiving. He opposed the type of orthodox fascism that the Temple Priests of Jeruesalem enforced.

There have been MANY false popes before. Ratzinger is nothing new. The only TRUE popes have been the ones attempting to reform. They attempt to change it from the Church of ROME to the Church of Jesus Christ.

and you know that God did not choose them. There were some real scoundrels, guilty of any crime you can imagine.

That is what the Church calls them. These are times the Cardinals did not listen to god. They god Apostasy as a reward.

---------------
BTW, have you guys figured out that I don't believe ANY of this. I'm just arguing in the confines of Church BS meant to justify papal authority.

I suppose you expect all the world's religions will come to you to confirm their leadership choices?

I'm just stating my opinion that this is not a "worthy" appointment of Pope in terms of what people would consider a inheritor of Christ's ministry.

Very few are!!!! And you may be surprised that MOST Catholics don't buy to heavily into Church orthodoxy. Which is WHY Ratzinger will be a VERY unpopular Pope considering his previous appointment.

BTW, just because JPII worked with Ratzinger, it doesn't mean JPII annointed Ratzinger's succession (indeed a true Pope would not since this is a GOD'S selection according to Church teaching).

-----------------
If you think this is ALL doubletalk ... you're right. But I'm just playing Thomas Aquinas here and drawing my own conclusion based on reams of religious double-talk that any adherent would use to justify their own personal opinion.

Sums up my feelings exactly and I'm a 30 year somewhat practicing catholic.

His life was tainted.
He did not struggle.
He should resign.

Required reading for entire Catholic population.