I call for the creation of a Totally Secular America.

Those who believe in God can stay where they are.

The other 4% move immediately to...um...How about Wyoming?

Wait, Let's base it on those who do not identify themselves with a specific religion.

Those 19% can have Wyoming and Texas.



Ok, you can stay right where you are with your beliefs as long as I can have a totally secular government.

Majority rules, and the rest of you can shut up.

So much for the Bill of Rights.

Stay clear of Mexico City. Something tells me you'd have a bad time there.

Pope Ratzinger will come after you if you call for secular societies. The church should run everything in accordance with *cough* GODS wishes!!!!

that the separation of church and state protects their religion.

It not only maintains the only type of government that protects the rights of all the people...that would be a secular government...but it keeps right wing theocrats from banishing all other religions except their own.

stupid people are religious

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You're definitely down South with me.

It's still theoretical to many, although I have plenty of anecdotes of the clergy and believers swearing ten ways to sunday that Christmas displays, "under God", and even crucifixes have no religious meaning whatsoever.

The weird quasi-political status of the Archbishop of Canterbury ties his hands and makes the church very, very weak.

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seem to see nothing wrong with state expression of religion.

Several years ago there was a huge discussion in another place over some "relief workers" who were killed by "Muslim extremists."

Turns out that the relief workers were running schools and clinics, but were primarily missionaries using the schools and clinics as a cover for saving Muslim souls. Getting little response from the adults, they had gone so far as to give Bibles and Christian paraphrenalia to the kids, hoping they would draw the parents in.

Now, while it is intolerable to try to seduce little kids away from their parents' religion, I admit it is worse to kill those who try. They had, however, been warned many times that preaching Christianity was punishable by death, but kept it up. Because they were actually doing some good, they were tolerated until they started indoctrinating the kids, and then the locals just had enough.

The problem with the discussion on that other board was that none of the "libertartian Christians" (whatever that means) admitted that the missionaries were on very thin ice in their actions, and assisted in their own doom. It's not like they weren't warned. It was all about those murderous Muslims. We all agreed that the punishment hardly fit the crime, but they refused to admit any crime occurred.

To make it worse, every one of them insisted that we should essentially have a state religion here, but none of them called it a state religion. And none of them admitted that the wacky fundagelicals here had anything at all in common with the wacky fundie Muslims. Even with evidence like the abortion clinic bombers, we could never have something like that happen here. With a state religion that really isn't a state religion, we would still be tolerant of minorities, and non-Christians (by their definition) would live happily ever after. State acceptance of Christianity as an "official" religion (but only some types of Christianity) would somehow increase religious tolerance.

The disconnects can get to you after a while.

My mouth would have exploded...my head too!

It really is unreal how deep the disconnect goes...

"as long as I can have a totally secular government."

We already have one. It's just not enforced.

we got the policy....just not the practice

was written to protect the churches from government, and that the words CREATOR and SUPREME BEING was the founders way of telling everyone that the US was to be a Christian nation....hahaha..

The founders were Masons....believers in the CREATOR and a SUPREME BEING, but not neccessarily God...

SEnd these whackos a copy of the "Treaty of Tripoli"....

Unless you want churches to pay taxes, which I cannot and do not support.