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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:55 PM
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a question for people against the death penalty-
would you agree to an abolition of the death penalty- but only if it also meant an abolition on abortion?

to let you know- i'm pro-choice, anti-death penalty myself, and i'll save my opinion on the question for now...
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:57 PM
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1. No, because the 2 are apples and oranges
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:58 PM
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4. What you said.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:57 PM
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2. never
I would not agree to anything that would eliminate my choice.
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:58 PM
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3. No
These issues aren't negotiable.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:59 PM
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5. No
For a large number of reasons but the DP affects relatively few people while choice affects hundreds of millions and lives are at stake.
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Blue Moon Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:36 PM
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20. How can abortion affect millions of lives
Unless you are claiming that abortion is murder?
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:00 PM
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6. No, pro-choice is more important of an issue to me
We should never trade off on such issues, though. A woman should be free to make her own decisions about her own body. Keeping patriarchy at bay is important.

I don't think the anti-death penalty side can win. We are too far in the minority, more than 60% of americans support it. I'm grateful to live in a state without it, and that will likely remain without it, as the state constitution was amended to end the death penalty in the 1800s. There would have to be a constitutional convention in order to reinstate it, a fact that many people wanting to have a voter initiative ballot don't get.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:00 PM
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7. no
not at all.

The death penalty serves to remove someone incorrigibly criminal and dangerous from the gene pool. I think it is abused and I think that no one should EVER be sentenced to death on circumstantial evidence, and therefore I am against it altogether in practice.

Abortion has nothing to do with the death penalty.

Would you agree to ban apples only if we also ban oranges?
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:00 PM
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8. No, fetuses are not people legally nor should they be
the tyranny nor protection of the state should apply to them.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:01 PM
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9. The death penalty is cruel and unusual
COMPARED TO WHAT? That is my dilemma. Life imprisonment for a 22 year old white college senior daddy's boy. No want for money, sex, job. Rapes and kills a coed. 5 witnesses, three gallons of DNA, no possibility of wrongful conviction. Two options, death or life with zero chance of parole. Which one would be cruel and unusual? I do not get emotional about the death penalty except when it can and is often used to kill innocent persons. If there is zero doubt, it should be an option.

To answer your question - NO. I think the death penalty and abortion should both be available.
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:05 PM
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10. No. That's reverse logic and it doesn't make sense.
Generally this argument is used to point out the hypocrisy of a pro-life / pro-death penalty stance.

It doesn't work going in the other direction. Using your premise, that would make you Anti-death penalty and pro-life...something our sanctimonious friends on the pro-life side should be.

You know "culture of life" and all that stuff?
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:20 PM
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11. your question
makes no sense There is no logic to it
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:04 PM
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14. re: You know "culture of life" and all that stuff?
Sorry for the ambiguity. I was trying to connect the illogic of the pro-life / pro-death penalty stance to the new "culture of life" rhetoric.

You're right, it didn't make sense.
:blush:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:27 PM
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12. why?
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:30 PM
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13. I want to see abortions eliminated, but NOT through abolition.
Making them illegal does nothing to help the mothers-to-be or the fetuses. Don't outlaw them; let the women keep that choice. But we can still value life and work toward making abortions unneccessary (through better education, medical care, insurance, etc.)

I'm also pro-choice/anti-death penalty, but the way I see it, there is no contradiction because I am truly pro-life, unlike the Randall Terrys of the world who are nothing more than "pro-fetus."
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:15 PM
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15. I am for what I am for.
And only under valid circumstances.

I am for the death penalty.

I am for abortion.

I am for the death penalty for violent offenders who show no signs of rehabilitation or if their crimes were so severe...

I am for abortion particularly if a health condition threatens the life of the mother. Life should have reverence, but it is ultimately the woman who decides. An invasive procedure, I can't think of anybody who'd WANT one just for the sake of it. And, in our society, if there are financial issues I wouldn't complain. Nor should the religious reich. Especially they should not.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:15 PM
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16. one is a person, another a fetus, or embryo
i dont have a battle in the death penalty. it doesnt work as a deterrent and if ever an innocent person is murdered, then all arguments lose in my book. and we know innocents are killed.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:17 PM
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17. deja vu
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:17 PM
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18. No, that would be a mistake
The death penalty is on its way out, so why should we give up something we already have for something we will get anyway, sooner or later?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:24 PM
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19. By the government? Sure.
No death penalty, and no abortions mandated by the governement. That's fair.

What a woman does to her own body is not my business.

--IMM
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 05:37 PM
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21. doesn't make sense
Why would I sell a woman's right to plan her family and to own and operate her own body for any price? That right should be inalienable.


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