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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:54 PM
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pope ratty said: The process against Galileo was reasonable and just."


http://maxblumenthal.blogspot.com/2005/04/gop-flat-earthers-love-grand.html


The GOP Flat-Earthers Love the Grand Inquisitor

Calling Pope Benedict XVI, aka Joseph Ratzinger, a "medievalist" is not just an empty insult. This guy literally believes the Earth is the center of the universe, or perhaps something even crazier. Check out what he said about Galileo in a speech in Parma, Italy, on March 15, 1990:

"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and just."

I guess it's no wonder the flat-earthers in the GOP are so enthused about Ratzi's election.
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the religiously insane are dangerous

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:57 PM
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1. Is Pope Neocon gonna send him back to hell?
THe poor guy just got out a few years ago. Parole is hereby revoked. Bummer.:evilgrin:
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:58 PM
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2. Holy. shit.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:01 PM
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4. I laughed
Thank you I needed one today, too. It was the periods that got to me.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:01 PM
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3. I am astounded that the Church rejected Galileo until the 1990's
Talk about slow to change! I've seen glaciers retreat faster than that.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:06 PM
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6. When you're infallible
It's hard to admit you've made mistakes.

Sound like anyone else?
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:17 PM
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13. Thats horseshit.
The RC church is more accepting of science than almost any other. It has no problem with evolution or cosmology, let alone the heliocentric model of the universe.

If the best example of medeival thinking in the church you can find actually dates to medeival times, well, duh.

Now, exonerating galileo personally, that may have been late, but acceptance of the science was long ago.

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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:20 PM
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14. Here's RC church doctrine on evolution: its been "proven"
Chicago Tribune, Friday, 10/25/96, "POPE BOLSTERS CHURCH SUPPORT FOR EVOLUTION", by Stevenson Swanson, Tribune Staff Writer, Dateline: New York.

"In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin ... "It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge', the pope said in his message Wednesday. 'The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory..."


"If taken literally, the Biblical view of the beginning of life and Darwin's scientific view would seem irreconcilable. In Genesis, the creation of the world, and Adam, the first human, took six days. Evolution's process of genetic mutation and natural selection-the survival and proliferation of the fittest new species-has taken billions of years, according to scientists ..."


"The Pope's message went much further in accepting the theory of evolution as a valid explanation of the development of life on Earth, with one major exception: the human soul. 'If the human body has its origin in living material which preexists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God', the Pope said."


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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:04 PM
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5. Good Lord
What a ludicrous thing to say.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:07 PM
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7. reminded me of Scalia
saying mere factual innocence is no reason to overturn a death sentence. Birds of a feather...
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:10 PM
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8. Galileo's head was on the block.. his crime was looking up the truth
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:15 PM
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9. So faith IS better than science!
Wow I never knew that! :silly:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:17 PM
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10. Oh Brother... And To Think That Someone Here Gave Me Grief For Saying...
... that he was an anti-intellectual, and anti-science. Indeed he's regressive and very backward.

Other than Cafeteria-Catholics, how can anyone support or defend him?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:05 PM
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11. Wow. That's pretty fucked up right there.
NT!

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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:07 PM
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12. "Flat Earthers"
I love that one. We should start calling republicans this.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:24 PM
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15. uh..ok
dang..wow

damn
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 03:32 PM
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16. Yeah, and now the Vatican has the nerve to use a likeness of Galileo...
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 03:37 PM by slutticus
...on the website of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.



Are these people for real? Sometimes I think this is all a big joke...it has to be.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 04:24 PM
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17. A few Catholics think that JP2 was too kind to Galileo
for instance, this guy:

John Paul II took the same path of reinforcing the revolutionary myth about Galileo when he criticized the attitude of the Church regarding the scientist on several occasions.
...
This statement, considered “definitive” by the Vatican spokesman (23), raised the enthusiastic applause of revolutionaries and progressivists, and the chagrin of those charged with the impartial study.
...
Despite the haste of John Paul II who “definitively” judged on the topic before the end of the scientific study, Cardinal Poupard presented the final results of the research on October 31, 1992. Under such powerful papal pressure, it is not surprising that Poupard tried as much as possible to tailor the commission’s conclusions to fit the previous partial judgment of JPII.
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He concluded that those who condemned Galileo had committed a “subjective error of judgment.” He ended his statement with words that revealed he was working under pressure: “We need to recognize these errors as Your Holiness asked” (26).

Actually this judgment is incomplete: it is partially right and partially wrong. It has been generally admitted in scholarly milieus that both parties in the controversy had gone beyond the realm of science. For Poupard to say that the Catholic party had been imprecise (“abusive”) seems a banality just to please JPII.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_003_Galileo.html


The guy thinks that the church was right to censure Galileo - he thinks that it was OK for Galileo to say it looks like the Earth goes round the Sun; but Galileo then said the Earth did go round the Sun - and that meant we had to change our philosophy, and even ask if the Bible could have something wrong in it. To the author of the article, this justified putting Galileo under house arrest. And he thinks JP2 was too biased in favour of Galileo.

Yes, there are people still in the Catholic church who are happy that Galileo was persecuted.
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