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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:01 PM
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It's your choice..Listen. Don't listen ......our future, start preparing
NOW!
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Bridges are burning all around us; bridges to responses that might have mitigated the already brutal (and just beginning) ravages of Peak Oil; bridges to reduce the likelihood of war and famine; bridges to avoid our selectively chosen suicide; bridges to change at least a part of energy infrastructure and consumption; bridges to becoming something better than we are or have been; bridges to nonviolence. Those bridges are effectively gone.

Stan Goff was right when he warned activists that "the gun," in all its forms, would be brought out before this was over. It was inevitable. False flag terror attacks, a fake war on terrorism, routine political murders, stolen elections, and Republican traffic in pedophilia remain causes for outrage and defiance, but they can no longer be useful avenues to justice: the legal system is broken. It's broken for reasons far greater than what used to be called corruption. And it cannot be fixed when a world war and unprecedented economic and ecological collapse are smashing down every wall between humanity and the unthinkable.
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After this, FTW will no longer try to detail the dots of Peak Oil. What we have published over the last seven years is proof enough. We had it right. I refuse to go over it again. Those who get it now, get it. Those who do not may possibly be beyond saving, because their own choices have deprived them of critical months of preparation for the crisis - especially since most of this "preparation" is psychological in nature. It is very hard and very painful to get one's mind to accept this reality.
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Effective immediately (and taking into account stories FTW has already committed to publish), it is imperative that FTW transform itself into an informational / intelligence lifeboat for those who are listening.
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From the wilderness is my favorate website...Have followed it for 4 years and beleive everything Michael Ruppert says. Crossing the Rubicon is an amazing book. No one is saying this is easy. But this is our reality and ignoring is not going to change the future. Talking about elections is a waste of time. Unfortunately, this is not about political ideology. In a few years it will be about survival........ Get ready...NOW!
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031005_globalcorp.shtml
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:06 PM
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1. Peak Oil and Alternative Energy is our issue to win back control
Peak Oil and Alternative Energy is our issue to win back control I just hope that everything doesn't go to shit before hand.

This spring I have started biking more and will be planting a garden for the first time. I figure that being able to grow my own food might be a valuable asset once it becomes unfeasible to ship food 3,000 miles.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:26 PM
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4. Sorry.....But there is NO alternative energy
known to mankind that will change this. Maybe someday, but not now. We KNOW NOTHING that will replace oil. Forget about 'winning back' the control. In the next few years when oil is over a $100/barrel they will declare Marshall Law and suspend the Constitution. They will have to to allow for rationing.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:31 PM
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6. Senate rejected efforts to include conservation measures in the
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 09:35 PM by Gloria
Energy bill, I think. What foresight...not.

Don't Republicans love their grandchildren??
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:35 PM
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8. Funny....I've asked that so many times
They may live in Gated communities but they drink the same water/breath the same air....WTF?? I have no explanation.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:14 PM
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28. They haven't the foresight ......
or don't care to look into it. It's greed, live for today, believing that tomorrow will be more 'profitable' and as long as they get as much $ today in the bank as they can, tomorrow will take care of itself. But when $ one day turns out to be worthless, and they say WTF? All those 'Corporate' Collage career courses they majored in, well think you get my drift.

Looked at the site link serryjw posted FTW and read the first part of which I'll paste this ...

"Not too long ago I had a dialogue with Catherine Austin Fitts after which an epiphany struck. As the human race blows itself into extinction, or destroys the climate, or starves itself to death, the last corporate merger and acquisition will take place. And at the same moment as mankind dies, the CFO of "GlobalCorp" will be shouting, "Hooray! We did it!" -snip-

Ain't it the truth, peace. :)
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:25 PM
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30. Isn't it ironic that having
nothing for so long may very well be a blessing in disguise.I know it's hard for young peeps to recognize BUT you can live without an Ipod!
I have no car, haven't had one for 7 years BUT I have driven little putt putts since Toyota imported them into US in 1970.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:50 PM
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32. Oh geesh tell that to my nephew ......
and his frickin video games! And good for you, walking, riding a bike is better health wise anyway than driving. Better for the environment and for you. This peak oil thingy is another piece to the big puzzle as I look to my right and see Lary King live on with a program called God and Good vs Evil ..... yes I have the sound turned down. No doubt a bunch of right wing fundeMENTALists on there. Anyway keep the faith however it presents itself to you. Good post ... and gonna give it a vote for the greatest page, lotta good info at that website. Peace and God bless :)
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:57 PM
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33. This peak oil thingy is another piece to the big puzzle
It is the puzzle Everything that has happened including 9-11 is because of Peak Oil. Our government has known for a long time but the depletion of oil is accelerating far faster than any one expected.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 04:29 AM
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54. Just imagine...
...If all this time they had been expending their efforts and energies toward alternative fuels, power sources, etc. Working on "Plan B" (and "C", "D", "E", etc.), preparing for a future where OIL is not the only fuel.

All their power and influence spent chasing oil. The corrupt, diabolical, secret, sinister deeds and deals which have been done in the quest to own and control oil. What a waste.

What might have been accomplished if all that power and influence combined with smarts, creativity, innovation and funding had been channeled into finding solutions and alternatives?

Thirty years down the drain... or 30 years behind schedule (trying to be optimistic).

Damn! We're in such a hole.
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Jandar Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 06:18 AM
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55. It was just over 30 years ago that the OPEC...
demonstrated, viscerally, just who controlled what. I'm told that there were many projects started to investigate all sorts of potential energy sources. I'm not sure what they were or what became of them, I was just a kid. I'll assume that like everything else the Carter Administration accomplished, it was sacrificed at the alter of Ronald Reagan. It would be speculation to say that the research would have been fruitful, but at the very least 30 years of study and education would have prepared the country for the inevitable.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 02:10 PM
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57. It really is a waste on BOTH sides of over 30 years
Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 02:11 PM by serryjw
LIke I said in another post, I living through the '73 oil crisis in LA. We had 35 years to solve this...and we did nothing. We explanded the 'burbs' and now we have a crisis? For a very short period of time we did drive smaller cars....BUT that unfortunately, was very short lived
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:20 PM
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29. Biofuel
Is that not a viable alternative?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:36 PM
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31. Absolutely!
I met someone at the local Walgreens on line about 3 years ago that had converted her car. On an individual basis it may help but I can't see 300 million peeps going to the local McD's to get their used cooking oil. Knowing McD's they will charge $2/gallon!
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:29 PM
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52. McD's is not at all the only source of biofuel.
Industrial hemp is one other.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:12 AM
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36. Do you mean Martial Law?
Sorry, but it's important. :)
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 06:41 AM
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56. Please stop panicking, we have the means to alleviate this problem
If our oily overlords would actually listen.

Follow me through this one. In 1991 the US DOE did a survey on the harvestable wind resources in America. It found that, allowing for the growth rate it saw, there is enough harvestable wind energy in North Dakota, South Dakota, and Texas to supply ALL of our electrical needs through the year 2030.

Now then, let us take a hybrid car, outfit it with a small diesel engine, in order to burn biodiesel, and an extra battery pack that can be charged off the wind powered electrical grid, and gee, we've got transportation.

It isn't a single bullet solution, but this country DOES have alternatives, huge untapped energy potentials, if we would just start utilizing them. But the technology is off the shelf, and available today. I don't know about you, but I'm not waiting for somebody else to start this, but instead I'm proceding to do for myself instead. For it is obvious that the corporate masters are going to squeeze this oil economy for all its worth, and us, the oil consumers right along with it. I refuse, and instead will turn to altervatives. You can too. If you've got the land, and the wind, you can put up your own wind turbine on a quarter acre. You can fit about 2KW worth of solar panels on your roof. You can install a wood stove, with a catalytic converter, which will cut down emissions by about 90%, and cut your wood usage in half. You can make your own biodiesel out of waste vegetable oil. You can grow and process your garden foods.

But the time for people to start implementing these changes is now, before the gas crunch truly hits. And sad to say, it is up to each individual, for our government's policy is going to be to ride this puppy to the very end. Thus, it is up to us to do for ourselves what isn't going to be done for the rest of the population until it is too late. They know what the deal is, this is obvious from Bush's Crawford pig farm, where he had state of the art wind and solar technology installed, along with the capacity to burn wood. Now you know, and it is time to get busy.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 05:49 PM
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58. YOUR individual solutions are good
BUT I don't buy your DOE example. Electricity is NOT an energy it is a by-product. How do expect to build, run the winds mills and grid?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 05:29 AM
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59. Why would the DOE lie?
If they're in the pocket of big oil, then don't you think that they would be UNDERestimating the amount of wind resources we have? Think man, don't react out of knee jerk paranoia.

And yes, we would probably have to expend a bunch of fossil fuels to erect the wind turbines, however I think it is well worth it. As far as running the windmills, well gee, we'll have to employ those out of work coal plant workers now, won't we. And the grid will be run essentially the same way it has always been run.

Look, the numbers are real, you can look them up for yourself. Combinations of various renewable alternatives will sustain us, but we've got to start on the work now. If you wish to continue to persue the magic bullet, fine, but we've already got the solution we need staring us in the face. Time to use it.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. We'll see in 5 years whom read thruth
Neither of us KNOW> You choose to belive DOE. I wouldn't belive anything our governemnt said
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. Good post
Even Jimmy Carter warned about Peak Oil. Obviously nobody listened.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:14 PM
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2. Gettingready now
is a fashion of the monied. Why do you think they have been so busy stealing all the money from the rest of us?

"Getting ready" for those of us without means just means get ready to die. That's what the Bush Death Cult is all about. The "Culture of Life" is really about "those of us privileged few that can survive our imposed Culture of Death." Everyone else, worldwide, is gonna die.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:29 PM
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5. "Means" will mean nothing
in a few years if you are not the ultra wealthy. The thugs will be in the same lifeboat with us. We are survivalists.YOU will find a way to live. I'm 55 and on very modest means and not a dime saved......We'll all be in this together. Funny, there will not be a blue and red state in a few years.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:13 AM
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37. This is the only satisfaction I can see in the whole mess and that is
bushitler will have to learn to row with the rest of us. LOL
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:58 PM
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15. To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose:
We will all die.

They might survive.

But what will they survive? A damaged ecology? Global warming? Nuclear winter? You bet all of the poor and suffering won't implode, they might explode.

I'll take death over what they're going to live in anyday. And I doubt it'll be as peachy keen as they're thinking. They've always been blinded by money. And if they could get another buck at the cost of premature cancer, I'm sure they'd take it.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:14 PM
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18. My thoughts on death exactly.
My life on my terms.
What he's predicting isn't my idea of life.
Why struggle to survive if there is nothing left?
I'm an atheist so I don't buy into that whole the
reason for living is to reproduce thing.
What makes this different from other survivalist
fantasies?
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:22 AM
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39. Fight, damn it! Fight! We are a free people! n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:32 AM
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40. Goin' down to Southpark, gona have myself a time!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:24 PM
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3. We are going to go after each other like mad animals at some point,
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 09:26 PM by Skip Intro
aren't we?

Mankind, that is.

Nations.

Like wild, hungry beasts.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:38 PM
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9. Yes, we are.
America is under this kind of constant, grinding pressure. Our cultural psyche is so loaded down with anger and stress and terror that this country is a powderkeg...everyone is suspicious of everyone else, just waiting for someone to make the first move.

Tucker
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:28 PM
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20. In 1973 I lived in LA
during the oil crisis. I saw a man punch a pregnant woman because she cut in front of him in line at the gas station. I was working for a large company that made a deal with a gas station acoss the street to open for us at 4am for ONE hour before he opened to the public.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:34 PM
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7. I'm not sure I understand what he is proposing.
It sounds a little...militant.
Others have been able to connect some of the dots as well, that perspective by itself is not really radical, but what exactly does he want people to do?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:40 PM
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10. The Psycological preparation is by far the most important
but there are things peeps on DU are doing. Paydown your debt, pay off your home, learn how to make a vegetable garden to grow food,get in shape to walk and ride public transporation because you will not have a car. I honestly don't know what peeps living in rural areas will do. If moving is possible do it very soon.If you have MORE house than you need either move to a smaller one or be prepared to have loved ones move in with you.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:45 PM
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11. what if you can't pay off your debt because you are still in school?
2 years to do with my current program. I just want to pay it down!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:52 PM
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13. That is my question....what are we supposed to do about this?
I read through the entire essay very quickly.

Now that I'm scared shitless, I guess I'm wondering what can we do to prepare?

I have lots of questions. I don't expect answers.....I guess I'm kind of emoting...

Is stockpiling food and water essential?

Is living in a warmer climate a good idea, since surviving in colder climates is more difficult?

Is he saying that basically everything will shut down and cease to exist as it does now...within a matter of years, not decades?

Sooooo...basically, our entire economy will collapse--according to this theory. WalMart's shelves will not be stocked, because transportation costs will impede delivery of goods. So--no food or other essential supplies. Water will be scarce. So, basically--what you don't have stockpiled in your cupboards--when the shit hits the fan--you'll have to survive on.

Am I on track here...or missing the mark?

I'm assuming that stockpiling is key.

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:39 PM
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24. F*CK student loans.......
be sure you know a needed trade being a lawyer will not be in much demand in the next few decades.
You young peeps will have it best. You have your youth, energy and are adaptable. You may learn to live off the land in warm climate for quite a while. personally, I'm not sure at 55 if I could live in a sleeping bag.

How fast will this happen? Unfortunately, it all depend on global warming, Peak oil and the how fast the depletion comes and Geopolitical climate. How is the world going to adjust to this? There could be war all over the planet. We have been fighting wars for oil for a long time.
I believe Marshall law will be enacted. They will need it to ration food and other essentials which means the Constitution will be suspended in the next 5-10 years
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:56 PM
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14. I live in a rural area.
And the only reason I am not out on the street or living in my storage unit is because my dad bailed me out. I had a medical problem last year that cost me what little cushion I had in the bank. Last year, I also lost my job, was unemployed for six months and then had to take a job that pays less than two thirds of what I was previously making but not before every bit of my savings was gone.

I'm finding it difficult to activate my flight instinct over this.
Now that could be because I've been in panic mode for almost two years and I'm worn out or it could be because I see some "chicken little" in this guy.

I don't mean to be obtuse but what else do I need to know about him?
I read his bio but didn't find anything that gave him credibility.

Has he made accurate predictions of this magnitude like this in the past?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:59 PM
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16. A vegetable garden? How long will that last?
One day? Assuming you kill the gophers and bunnies and neighbors trying to steal your carrot and potatoes?
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:36 PM
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23. But if I kill all the golfers
they'll lock me up and throw away the key.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:53 PM
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26. I'd keep playin...
...I don't think the heavy stuff's gonna come down for a while...
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:35 AM
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41. Kill one golfer & you're a murderer Kill some more & you're a Conquerer
Kill them ALL & you're a God!
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:07 AM
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35. What do you mean -- you don't know what rural people will do?
All that stands between the powder keg and my survival is a 5-hour car ride -- if I can make it (or buy a team of horses from the local Amish) -- and I'll be in the country, with a small stockpile of weapons, ammo, dairy cows & steers, goats, sheep, rabbits, turkeys -- and I already have a plan, at the first sight of trouble, to raid the seed packets at the grocery store that is a 1/2 a block from my apartment.

I worry about the people in the cities -- especially the big ones. It's a major reason that I'm not moving back to Seattle, for a little while. If you have a gun, seeds and land, and some buckets to catch rain -- you can survive in the country. What are you going to do in the city? Eat the sidewalk?
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:18 PM
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49. mmmmm-cat! (City rabbit)
yummers.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:01 PM
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17. I'm about as prepared as I can possibly be under the circumstances.
Thing is,...I don't want to live what's left of my life,...in total anxiety and/or "fight/flight" mode. What's left of this short life of mine will be fully lived and include a sense of peace I can find by simply sitting on my porch and watching the birds sing and mate, listening to the trickle of the river, hugging my kid,...breathing in and out.
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:27 PM
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19. The thing is. . .
This has been done before and we can do it again. It was called the "Great Depression." Most of us, maybe, have way too much stuff cluttering up our lives. I'm only 44, but my grandma died two years ago at age 103. She'd seen it all and lived to tell. My parents, gone young, bless them, made us work our butts off as kids. Milking a cow, 2 acre vegetable garden, cutting wood for extra money, picking rocks--man, I swore a lot back then at them. What a gift they gave me. . . I know how to do it. It's not hard, just a shift in priorites, and I hate to say it, but it's "HARD WORK!" The real kind, not the kind President Dumbass talks about. We'll make it. Just like our grandparents and parents did. In a way, I think it would be a HUGE relief to give up some of the stuff we think we're so attached to and can't live without. That's real freedom.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. I've had to give up just about everything I had
and to me it just means I have very little left to lose.
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:32 PM
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22. Free at last. . .thank God almighly, I'm free at last! n/t
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:41 PM
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25. There's a song about this...
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

Janis Joplin in her rendition of Me and Bobby McGee, I think
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:01 PM
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27. Replies to ALL



Hypnotoad I said LEARN how to grow a vegtable garden I am a big city gal. Have no idea how to do this..I’m planning on learning very soon. We will all learn how to share food with our neighbors not that dissimilar to 100 years ago.

JUST ME I agree with you. Learning how to enjoy the simple things in life will make this tolerable. The ‘toys’ will be gone but seeing your grandchildren grow up will still be important.

Jeanarrett Congrads! I’m jealous. I have to learn this in my middle age. You are way ahead of most of us.

Beam me up Scottie I have too! Maybe that is why I’m not worried. Scottie, all the info is here and on the Internet. We have been talking about Peak Oil for a long time. Micheal Ruppert is the best investigative journalist we have. Read everything on his website about oil/energy. You will KNOW hew speaks the truth
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:15 AM
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38. Hate to burst your bubble, but have you read about the seeds?
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:17 PM
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47. Please explain??
n/t
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:01 AM
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34. What a lovely post...thanks for that. (nt)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 12:43 AM
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42. If the whole shit house goes up I'm off to my brothers place in
Northern Canada he grows his own food & is a very accomplished hunter.
I have an open invite.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:21 AM
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43. Kick.
SCARY read but accurate I'm afraid as far
as the path we are on.
No wonder they want to keep everyone
busy and in a tizzy about shit that doesn't
matter.
It's all going to look pretty silly when the
REAL shit hits the fan.
BHN
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:05 AM
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45. We could bypass
All of this and actually, that will be the downfall of corporate inc., anyway... by moving toward a barter economy of skills. You make this medicine for me from your garden herbs and I fix your water pump. Thoreau would be proud and I have been suggesting that we begin a shift toward a barter structure for a while now, using the Internet is a great way to organize locally into barter communities.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:16 PM
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46. Namaste
ain't that the truth
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:22 PM
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50. Namaste-
And yes, it is the truth.
The more I look at all of the peices the more
convinced I am that the powers that be
are preparing for one thing, and one thing only.
Global chaos upon the collapse of the the world
structure as we have come to depend on it.
All the surface issues are simply a way to set
the stage for, as Leonard Cohen said,
"Absolute control over every living soul."
BHN
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 06:22 PM
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51. I know
there is a kinda peace in KNOWING what is going to happen. I really do feel sorry for all those whom have their head up their ***. They will be in for a rude awakening. BTN, I have very little in material possessions......what can they take from me. I love my books and music and Buddhism brings me peace. I can live with that for the rest of my life.
Serry
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 03:08 AM
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44. You are wrong.....The chalice shall fall..
A real velvet revolution is in the process of taking over the land......

True republicans don't want this to be their future; this place they thought was god

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/CNPMeetsBeforeGOPConventionKirkpatrick.html
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 02:59 PM
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48. a DU link - 'what would you do if'
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 09:40 PM
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53. Bush is getting desperate:
Bush, who hosts Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on Monday, acknowledged this week that the energy bill he has asked Congress to pass by August would not immediately reduce gas prices.

"The president is right to meet with this powerful man, but it is wrong that the leader of the United States must ask favors from a foreign prince," Markey said in the Democratic radio address.

Bush is feeling the political heat from a big rise in gasoline prices as public opinion polls show consumers are increasingly concerned. Last week, the average retail gasoline price hit a record $2.28 per gallon.

Bush has said he would ask the crown prince if the Saudis can step up the flow of oil and also seek a clear answer about the size of the country's spare oil production capacity.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8272180
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MontageOfFreedom Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:09 AM
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61. Doesn't seem too obvious....
About who's intentions are being served here.
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