Hannity thinks the 5 year old should be handcuffed

Hannity lambasted a DA last night saying the eleven seconds showing a FIVE year old being handcuffed by the police was not sufficient evidence to show that they were wrong. What??????!!!! This guy is a complete and absolute IDIOT.
Please, have someone who can debate without being intimidated take this guy on and embarrass him. He is a disgrace. I had visitors from Europe a few weeks back that saw both Coulter and Hannity. All they did was laugh. They could not believe that anyone would take them seriously. In Europe they would be the RW fringe that people fear.Here, they are celebrities.

...but Hannity probably gets a woody every time he thinks about five year old girls in handcuffs....

may be crude and may be true......









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I think maybe she should get the chair....as in high chair. Maybe kids prisons too.

I watched the video -- but a five-year-old should NOT be handcuffed!!!

Spare the rod and spoil the child.


Spanking can do wonders as long as it's not abused or too severe. A little swat on the butt gets a kid's attention REAL quick.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child"

you can't use the bible to justify hitting a kid.

Kids learn by example - how can you teach someone not to hit or
be violent towards others if you are hitting them yourself?!

I was spanked at times when I was a kid and I would spank my kids when I felt it was necessary. I'm not talking about beating them. Just a little swat on the butt. They understood it was a form of discipline and was to protect them from getting hurt or to keep them from hurting someone else.


There are times when a child is acting up and no amount of sending them to "time out" or talking to them will do any good.

The problem is this teaches kids terrible lessons!

You can't protect someone from being hurt by hitting them - hitting
someone hurts!

Also, you can't teach a child not to hurt someone else by hitting
them - you'll just end up teaching them that it's ok to hit people!

The more a child gets hit the more likely they are to hit their
spouses and their own children when they are adults. Many
studies have shown this to be the case.

violence is not acceptable in society. Kids need to learn this
lesson - but they won't learn it and they won't really believe it
if they are being hit by adults. We need to show a better example
than that.

Random violence is not the same as disciplining a child...

Spanking is okay, and with a kid like that it's certainly necessary...

You teach a kid a MUCH worse lesson when the kid learns that he/she can get away with anything at all and nothing will happen.

It's a part of raising kids and teaching a person about the world who is new to it. When they do negative things, they should get negative consequences.. when they do positive things they should get positive consequences, that's how you teach a young person to make positive decisions in their lives.

I disagree with the whole handcuffing thing, but frankly if that kids parents had spanked her and been firm with her, the whole incident would have never happened.

Letting a kid get away with anything and having no consequences whatsoever is how you end up making trips to the state prison once a month to visit your 20-something year old son.

Spare the rod, spoil the child indeed.

My parents were great parents, I couldn't ask for better, especially considering how tough I was to raise in my teenage years, etc... my dad had a system when I was very young.. when I was out of line, he'd start counting until I stopped whatever it was.. if he got to 3, I got a spanking. Know how many I got? One.

(I had to test the limits :evilgrin:)

Heyo

I wish you had been my parent.:hi:





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attributed to guess who "liberals"

from corporal punishment.

Cry me a freaking river.

and ilk.

What is it the so many drink the cool aid from these assholes.????

these monsters are both sick and insane.

is those kids at the hospice with Terri Schavio, were they right to be arrested? Surely he'd think so then.

Most of my kids also have special needs. The needs come in various forms. Some are drug babies, others have abusive homes. There are a myraid of things these poor kiddos suffer from.

I would have to know the whole story with this little girl. I'd have to know background details and also what other children in class are like- meaning, are they also uncontrollable. Was this the first time this little girl had isues? I don't know. Also, how experienced is the teacher and what is their story and role in this?

Notice how nutcase RWers immediatly jump to the harhest response, rahter than know all the facts? Typical.

I teach special ed too. I was impressed with the way the asst principal handled this little girl.

Some of the details you ask for are in the original story. The child had been having tantrums all year and her own mother had called the cops before for help in controlling her.

For me, a key detail was the mother's unwillingness to come to school as soon as they called her. That says A LOT.

I have had a 'problem child' this year whose main problem is a mother who is in deep denial about her son's problems. She refuses to come to school when we ask her to come meet with us, she either doesn't answer the phone or hangs up on us when we call and when her child was finally suspended, she sent him to school anyway, saying she didn't agree he deserved to be suspended. (He had told a little girl - in front of a teacher - 'I want to fuck you') Mom said he was merely having a personality conflict with the school staff and it was obvious that none of us liked him. When the principal reminded her of what her son had said to this little girl, Mom said 'well she's Mexican and I told him he can't date Mexican girls'. HE IS NINE!!

So yes, I want more details about this child and her mother. Something doesn't smell right about this story.

There is obviously something going on in that child's life. My kids, at five, were still having some tantrums, but nothing like what I saw on that video. I just wish someone could see beyond her behaviour and realize that she wasn't born that way and five years is certainly not enough time to make her responsible for becoming that way. Placing that child in handcuffs, while it may satisfy the authority figure in me, breaks my heart and makes me so sad for that poor girl's future.

apparent on the video. I try to refrain from jumping on the emotional bandwagons that inevitably results from such inflammatory reporting. None of us were there so it is impossible to tell what happened to escalate the situation. I have a very strong five year old that could probably best me if he totally flipped out in a wild tantrum. I consider myself fortunate that he is not prone to such behavior nor does he have a condition which would generate it.

According to the mother's attorney, the girl had a history of such behavior and the mom was in the process of trying to get her transferred. We also need to be asking why the school was not equipped to deal with her without contacting the police and how we can prevent such incidents in the future. There had to be a great deal of helpless freaking out going on all around.

ETA: This in no way means I advocate the manner in which she was subdued.

it has almost all of his greatest hits, heres a snip from one of them.

On his WABC show, as with his earlier radio shows, "the left" and its various constituencies were blamed for the nation's problems; and crime, affirmative action, welfare and "illegitimacy," all talk radio staples, were discussed ceaselessly. But Hannity really distinguished himself with his crusading efforts to defend the police against charges of brutality. When Haitian immigrant Abner Louima accused New York City police officers of sodomizing and badly injuring him with a wooden rod in 1997, Hannity used his WABC show for a vicious counter-offensive targeting the victim.

The father of chief defendant Justin Volpe, an NYPD police officer, regularly appeared on show during the 1999 trial. And Hannity and various guests repeated rumors that Louima's injuries resulted from a "gay sex act" and not from police brutality. Playing on the homosexual rumor and inconsistencies in Louima's story, Hannity and his producer sang a parody of Lionel Richie's song "Three Times a Lady," changing the words to "you're once, twice, three times a liar." Hannity stopped referring to the victim as "Lying Louima" only after Volpe confessed to sodomizing Louima with the help of another officer (OnePeoplesProject.com).

Meanwhile, at Hannity & Colmes, the Louima story got somewhat less, and less sordid, play; Hannity only repeated the homosexual rumor once on the national cable show (5/13/99). But there, on national television, Hannity was gaining a reputation as a leading conservative advocate who could be depended on to echo and amplify the latest lines in conservative and Republican thinking.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1158

Two stories that illustrate why I quit after nearly thirty years:

a boy about eight trashed a classroom and instead of doing something, even calling the police which is a good thing sometimes, they barred the door and let him rampage. They (three women) nearly couldn't keep the door shut. He wanted to come out and kill people, trash the school, run away. He needed cuffs. You would be astonished at what he managed to destroy in a short time.

The other was a first grader who trashed his teacher's classroom causing thousands of dollars of damage. They couldn't use the room for days. He was insane.

Its easy to say what you wouldn't do when you don't have to do it but I don't blame them. If you've never been bitten and scratched by an out of control kid whose entire being is geared to rampage, you have never lived.

autistic. The teachers have been able to handle him because they have been trained on how to handle him. There are some very safe methods of "bringing down" the child into a position where they cannot hurt anyone or themselves or destroy property. I've had to use it at home. A five year shouldn't have been any problem whatsoever.

This whole debate makes me think, we should start a thread that teaches people how to notice, prevent, contain and diffuse. Because most people on this board seem not to have these skills and most people will need them in their life at some point.

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Chiledren, and even adults, have to sometimes have limits set so they don't escalate their emotional state.

When I was a volunteer in an emergency room, and we had a person with both medical and psychological problems, we sometimes posted a deputy near them just to keep that presence of "order will be maintained".

My son, along with other autistic children, can start off irritated or frustated to a small degree, then they will ramp up their emotions to stimulate themselves. My son sometimes watches himself crying in the mirrir, then it gets even worse (we had to remove the mirror from his bedroom for a few years because of that a few years ago).

Teachers need special ceu's on handle to handle disruptions and violence in the classroom, for all levels.

I am not saying you didn't experience what you saw with an eight year old, but this was a five year old girl--and I have a really hard time believing that they could not have brought someone else in to talk to her so that she would chill out, or that another adult could not have assisted the teacher in carrying her to the office if she wouldn't budge or stop her rampage.

All the psychologists used to tell us if your kid throws a tantrum ignore them and continue on as if nothing happened. My daughter threw big tantrums like twice in public at around age four and I did just that. It worked--she was left standing around yelling and carrying on and feeling stupid.

I think all the attention that is spent on kids who throw fits for public consumption kind of gives them the audience they want--JMO

I still maintain the teacher handled this poorly and the cops also need their heads examined.

while the other kids were in the classroom! If the teacher had ignored her and another kid got hurt, what would you think then? What do you think she should have done?

Maybe the teacher should have called for some type of help from the office staff and they could have picked her up and moved her to the office if she wouldn't stop "threatening others"...but, but, oh wait... I know they couldn't do that because they might "be sued" right?

This was a five year old not a 180 pound man.

move like that, I would most likely get suspended or maybe even lose my job. We are under strict orders not to touch kids when they tantrum.

If there is no injury there is no lawsuit that will bear fruit--

I have a very hard time believing that a lawsuit charging that a teacher who hoisted a child from point a) to point b) in a non-damaging manner would be fired, or that the parent would collect damages in a suit about same said incident (esp if the kid is going bizerk and throwing things)

Frankly I have a hard time believing that teachers are putting up with so many irrate parents that are allowing their children to run amuck- I personally don't know anyone who has filed suit or raised hell against a teacher and I personally have not complained about any teacher since my 4th grader was in preschool.

Cops shoot people and damages are never awarded (in many cases they are never even suspended without pay) so how is it that the teaching profession is so maligned, sued and wrongly prosecuted?

It's funny, but I have not read about any huge settlements against teachers or school systems lately--in fact when I was in highschool there was a PE teacher groping girls right and left and the worst he faced was transfer to another school system. I believe that occurred about three times before he was finally fired.

but it is the policy of most school districts. And since I like my job and I need my job, I am not about to violate any district policy.

We aren't deluged with irate parents or tantruming kids. But think about it - how many do we need to have to deal with to make this a problem? One is enough for me.

You folks who don't work in a school have no idea how disruptive ONE child can be or how many problems ONE angry parent can cause. When I first started teaching, my dad, who had been in this business for 30 years told me to always remember that all it takes is ONE angry parent to make my life as a teacher pretty miserable. That was very good advice.

Handcuffing a five year old for throwing a tantrum is totally unwarranted and extreme. I don't care what the child was doing. If this kid were little blond haired blue eyed Mary there would be a lot of calling for the over the top police to be restrained.It would be led by the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly.One minute they are wailing about the sex offenders getting off then they are wailing about the fact that a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD should be handcuffed. Give me a break! This is the US not Outer Mongolia

would argue like most RWers that the Nazi's were left wing because they have socialist in their name. They also believe that the KKK,Aryan Nation are also left wing.When asked to identify what is radical right and why the Nazi party was in fact RW they can't come up with anything.
Using their logic against them the Republicans during the Spanish Civil war were right wing, the IRA right wing and East Germany. Democratic Republic of Germany.

being he was supposedly in with the Nazis at age 6? Should pope Benedict have been handcuffed too?

Unbelievable!

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Hannity's a fucking a idiot. He should've called for her hanging then maybe he'd get the cover of TIME.

I never thought I could find anyone quite as repulsive. When he says to someone,"you're a great american" I cringe. I wonder if he thinks that these cops are "great americans" too? FIVE YEAR OLD HANDCUFFED. Unreal.

what he's really saying is 'as long as you believe exactly as I do' "You're a great American".
This guy is a real jerk.

while his balls are in a vice.

We're even ... not that I really give two shits what Hannity 'thinks'.

But sadly, Hannity has no balls to put in a vice. :)

Taken away from his shows, where he's in complete control, the man's nothing but a lunatic and probably quite cowardly.

But, after watching the video, and hearing of the previous outbursts from this young girl, it's obvious that she needed to be restrained. Handcuffs were definitely not the best method, but what other means were at hand to show their authority? This girl obviously has no respect for adults, whether a parent, a teacher, or a police officer. Coddling her will only teach her that she can get away with her poor behaviour, and in fact will show her that some adults will protect her ability to be a monster. It's too bad that it had to be a law enforcement officer who teaches this girl that lesson, but if the parent(s) won't, then I believe they must.

Let's face it, we live in a litigious society, so it's understandable why the educational staff was hesitant to physically restrain her. The cops have a little more leeway, and probably could have defused the situation without the cuffs. But if they'd previously threatened to use the cuffs, and did not during this incident, then they'd have lost any authority over this girl when she does get old enough to do seriously malicious damage.

This little girl needs help and maybe now that the police are involved her mom will understand just how disturbed her daughter is. The fact that she didn't drop everything and come running to school when she was called tells me she is either in serious denial or unaware.

OR it could be that her job is an hour away from the school?

There's a concept, huh?

Not all people with children have the luxury of being stay at home mom's, or upper middle class and beyond income types.

Just thought I would mention it.

Maybe poor people shouldn't have children?

for leaving when there is an emergency involving her child.

Look up Family and Medical Leave Act.

Do you honestly believe all corporations follow these guidelines?

If so I have some swampland in Florida...

That's why it's called a law.

Seriously, my principal has called many employers to tell them we need an employee who is one of our parents to come to school. One boss even gave the employee a ride. I cannot think of any employers who refused to allow an employee time off to come up to school. And this situation with this little girl was an emergency. Had her boss refused to let her leave, mom would have had grounds for a complaint. And it's a federal law; I can't imagine any employer refusing to comply and choosing to deal with the feds over something as simple as this.

I worked for one of the big three and trust me it occurs.

What do you think happens to your job if you complain to the feds?

You won't be canned for that per say but they will think of something.

we have never failed to get a parent released from work to come to school. Never.

she can be fired...and then she can sue for wrongful dismissal.

It is naive to think companies don't break the law when dealing with workers who are parents.

I once had a job that did not believe that my grandmother had died one year to the week that her husband had died...and they refused to allow me to attend the funeral.

I could not afford an attorney and could not sue. I missed the funeral.

Shit like that happens all the time to the working poor...law or no law.

Most employers probably don't want to be sued.

but unlike a teacher sacked for physically handling a child atleast she'd have legal redress (whether she'd be able to access it is another thing)

why do so few people respect that the teacher probably ALSO didn't want to loose her job - on a teachers wage I doubt she'd be all that rich and comfy either

Anyone who thinks it doesn't is naive.

Not everyone has the where with all to hire an attorney.

there is specific industrial legislation (even in the US) that would protect her. Odd that you don't beleive a teacher picking up a child (and by the way when a kid is kicking and thrashing about and you pick her up chances are there will be some brusing) could be sued and would be protected legally even though there is no legislation that would protect them but completely ignore the responsibility of the parent who IS legally protcted.

As she is the one shown on tape (my error I thought that was the teacher)

I have personally witnessed incidents of teachers and administrators lying about student conduct because a particular student is a pain and they want them removed from their school.

The fact that the child is black is another interesting component to this story--it could mean nothing or it could be relevant.

What I think is *odd* is the fact that you are so confident that this asst Principals motives were pure as the driven snow.

if he would be so forgiving.

according to Hannity is never wrong. Like O'Reilly, who is audacious enough to speak publicly about sexual deviants and how they should be treated and Limbaugh on how drug users should be treated , you begin to see a trend.

also goes for Ann "The Man" Coulter.

If his five year old had been handcuffed, he'd have blamed it on some nebulous liberal conspiracy to take him down.

Even my seriously conservative brother thinks Hannity is a joke and a pompous, posturing fool. And I know quite a few other conservatives who think the same thing.

Just think what Hannity would be saying if it was his five year old that wa shandcuff by three police officers.

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Starve The Beast

Rat bastard.

Not something you'll see on Faux anytime soon. In order to have a progressive voice on that station, spinal removal is required. It's not their job to tell the truth, it's only to be the aural equivalent of comfort food.

have Bill O'Reilly ram him up the ass with one of his unlubricated Dildos. Wouldn't that be a sight to see. :evilgrin:

on ANY television show they damn well better cuff her too! That little girl was severely and NEEDLESSLY traumatized by people she should have absolute trust and faith in to do right by her!

Coulter does this every freaking time she appears on television and NO ONE cuffs that bitch and hauls her ass off!

Sorry I am really getting pissed at all the idiots, even on DU, that think that was appropriate for what I see as only slightly more aggressive than normal behavior from a tired, grumpy, and probably sleepy 5 year old! Anyone that agrees with what was done to this girl ought to be driven to their local police station and signed up as a child abuser IMMEDIATELY!

I OFTEN advocate teachers rights to discipline students in an appropriate manner and in fact recently encouraged my local school board to stand their ground on a case of a flagrant violation by a parent that DELIBERATELY sent her child to school after dying her hair a non-natural color. The rule regarding this has been in effect and STRICTLY enforced for MANY years. it may be a stupid rule, but it is STILL a damn rule. They lose this rule for high schoolers but elementary and middle schoolers are READ THIS RULE OUT LOUD on their very first day of school. The parents are asked to read the rules and sign them. This mother flagrantly broke the rule and flaunted it on television saying she thought the rule was unfair and her daughter deserved to be an exception to the rule. In THAT case the school board had every right to remove the kid from class and send her the hell home. The mother is an idiot and a member of the "entitlement society" who believes her child deserves special treatment. I'm sorry, but I think if you are clearly told the rule and then go out and violate it you should EXPECT the school to consistently hand out the same punishment to your child as they would to anyone else's.

I'm not saying they should be the normal form of discipline, "look Timmy's acting up again, time for the handcuffs" but I saw the video and the little girl was throwing hooks & shit, & the teacher was backing away from her. I've never heard of anyone dieing from handcuffs, nor have I ever seen any sort of permanent disfigurement due to handcuff related injuries, but they must be out there because this thread makes them sound like a most ungodly instrument of torture.

If the kid was in such a rage long enough for the police to get there, and she WAS still throwing stuff and punching teachers, then I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they did what they thought was necessary. What were the better options?

It seems some people are just pissed because they don't like the way it looks when two police officers are cuffing a 5 year old, and I agree that it certainly doesn't look good, but aren't we supposed to be the ones who are open minded enough to avoid knee-jerk reactions based on the aesthetics of a given situation and look at the bigger picture?

One poster mentioned "Handcuffing a five year old for throwing a tantrum is totally unwarranted and extreme. I don't care what the child was doing. If this kid were little blond haired blue eyed Mary there would be a lot of calling for the over the top police to be restrained." Spare me, this wasn't a tantrum, this was rage. You don't care what the child was doing? What if she was stabbing you? Or even punching you in the face repeatedly? Sure you could take it, but why? I'll take 100 punches in the face before this child should experience the evil that is handcuffs!...oh whoa...whoa for the children...the children...*gasp*...*gurgle*. Then the race card...as if there wasn't enough BS in this argument. I don't buy it in this situation...particularly because people are already raising hell about it when I personally don't think it's a particularly huge deal. When a cop punches a 5 year old in the face for throwing a tantrum, you'll get my righteous outrage.

Another point people are bringing up is restraining the child physically when they are in a state similar to this. I say go for it, but god forbid the kid gets even the hint of bruise from it, or even just happened to fall on a playground earlier in the day.
Restraining the child physically? What exactly do you think handcuffs DO?!?

Now that I have that out there, the real problem is probably the parents. You are licensed to drive a car or own a gun but any moron with genitals can have a kid, which is probably more dangerous. It is unfortunate that this child will probably pay the price for the shortcomings of her parents. I just hope this aspect of it is looked into by someone with the power to do something about it.

-personman

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This is not the first child that has thrown a tantrum but you never hear of the cops being called. When it gets to the place where several teachers and the police cannot control a five year old child without handcuffing her, as a society we are in real trouble. I've seen that video several times and what that child was doing has been done by other children. It's outrageous that any adult would justify the mistreatment of a child. It wasn't that she was pointing a scissor or knife or other weapon at anyone. Shall we now erase the category of persons known as children and begin treating youngsters like criminals? Handcuffs are not for five year olds. We handcuff murderers, robbers and other violent criminals, not a five year old child. Next thing some here will be doing is justifying the use of tasers on young people. A security guard did point a taser at a sleeping thirteen year old in Georgia. You think that is OK? She did break the rules you know by sleeping in class. Whatever happened to people using common sense?

Those people couldn't have cared less about that child. Had I been there I would have, with the help of someone else, restrained her hands and feet. I would not have thought one instant about a lawsuit. If threatened with such later, all one would have had to do was show the pictures of the damage she had done. No jury or court would have awarded the parent anything since it would have been obvious that the child had to be restrained. That child will long remember that incident and no doubt be afraid and very distrustful of adults, especially the police.

You stated "I've seen that video several times and what that child was doing has been done by other children.".

Sorry to say but I have never seen a child acting like this and I have to agree with personman on this one.

and its not society's fault here but rather the parents..

Some of you people must have been in the company of some really wild FIVE YEAR OLD children. I mean, a three feet tall, 40 pound girl matched up against a one hundred and eighty pound man, five feet 10 inches is unfair. They should get a bigger guy. These FIVE YEAR OLD children are really dangerous. Dang, did you see how that little girl on the video tore that paper off the wall. She should be executed. Hung, drawn and quartered. They try to put these 100 pound , five feet three women in classrooms with these FIVE YEAR OLD kids and they are so intimidated I hear that they are now passing a law in Fl where they are allowed to bring in .50 Cal weapons to deal with any FIVE YEAR OLD child that gets out of line.
There is a guy in Arizona that has suggested that they be sent to a chain gang to teach them a lesson. Hannity is spectacular and so are the posters here on this forum that think these FIVE YEAR OLD kids are victims and that adults have all the responsibility to make sure they are adequately looked after. I say, let us look now to the FOUR AND TWO YEAR OLDS. These groups are too often coddled and pampered. More handcuffs for them.

that the Iraqi babies that have been deformed by depleted uranium desreved that to.

bring back corporal punishment...spare the rod, spoil the child...

BUT, NOT MY KID!!!