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Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 08:07 PM by arwalden
<< My goodness, how you sound like all those people to whom your congent response was...and correct me if I'm wrong..."wah wah wah". >>
It was "Oh whaaah!" and a photo of a crying Lucy. And it was delivered in response to the crybabies who claimed that "they" had been bashed because the Pope had been scorned. :eyes: How absurd!
Let's cut to the chase. The entire gist of your argument and your defense is that intolerance of bigotry is itself bigotry. Eh? And you further go on to try and accuse me of being hypocritical because I point out the broad-brush slam against ALL non-believers.
That's absolutely astounding. What an imagination you have!
<< I don't remember you joining me in any of my posts asking for recognition that not all christians are evil deluded fools. >>
You flatter yourself if you think that I'm inclined to keep tabs on every one of your posts. Was I out of town? Did I not log on that day? And you fault me for THAT? Oh brother! -- Besides, what would be my motivation to join you in defending your imaginary enemies and invented insults? That makes no sense at all.
<< But even withotu that, even the most prickly defender of the Pope would be ashamed to notice that a particular phrasing "insinuated believers to be deficient from non-believers". >>
Huh? The syntax and grammar in that sentence is quite tortured, but I think I'm able to figure it out. -- Okay. And? So what?
Was there any reason you typed that? Not only is it difficult to read, but it seems out of place in this "conversation".
<< Aren't you one who would declare that no religious person is immune from criticism---stop me if you disagree--but you picks up on a not-flattering phrase. >>
I don't recall personally arguing that point in that manner, or making such a declaration (as you put it), but I do agree with it--to the extent that a religious person is not immune from criticism regarding their own bigotry and support of bigotry.
<< Pretty funny. >>
Odd... I think it's damned serious. Laugh all you want.
<< But the difference is that someone else deserved it, >>
Yes... when someone is engaging in or supporting anti-gay bigotry and using their religion as a defense or justification for it, then indeed they do deserve my scorn.
<< whereas you deserve nothing less than the most complimentary phrasing possible. >>
Other than merely EXISTING, what are atheists doing that are such an affront to others? How does my mere EXISTENCE and non-belief interfere with others rights to exist and believe? That's where the difference is.
Unless someone is being willfully ignorant, I fail to understand how anyone can fail to comprehend the differences.
But then again, when I consider these posts of yours in the context of your previous posts on the same subject... and when I consider the apparent fascination you have with me, then I really ought not be surprised. Obviously it benefits you more to not understand (or at least to pretend not to understand).
<< And when was that rule made? I don't remember getting the memo.>>
Oh, come on! You're a big boy now! You'll just have to rely on your common sense and sense of decency to figure these things out without having someone spoon-feed you all the necessary information.
<< And of course, the "deserve it" is simply that broad brush thing you decry, >>
That's false. It's not broad-brush. It's targeted very specifically at BIGOTS, their defenders, and anyone who uses religion to justify their bigotry. Hardly the stuff of wholesale "broad-brush" attacks.
I have no hesitation about that, and I will not mince words. Yes... the religious bigots (those who justify their anti-gay bigotry by calling it religion) DESERVE ever bit of scorn that I can heap upon them.
<< a little bit of definition whereby every religious is complicit in everything done in the name of religion. >>
That is UNTRUE. You should be aware that the frequency and the sense of urgency with which you continually repeat the same FALSE statements lead me to the conclusion that you are doing so deliberately.
Frankly, I don't buy their "victim" act. I don't think you do either. But... if it makes you feel better to defend them, if it gives you some purpose or satisfaction, then there's very little I can do to stop you. Knock-yerself-out!
<< It seems just a little bit of convenience--anything can be discussed, as long as everyone agrees on who deserves scorn and who deserves reverence. Suddenly, your positions seem the other side of the piestic coin. >>
I think you're smarter than you're letting-on. Again, you're obviously and deliberate mis-stating and mis-characterizing. Enough already.
Your analogies are false. On one side we have religionists who ACTIVE participate in anti-gay bigotry and who deserve every ounce of scorn and criticism they get. On the other side we have non-believers who are characterized as being "lacking" or deficient for simply existing.
Are you seriously trying to argue that both things are the same. :eyes: Again... I think you just saw an opportunity to score flame war points... to settle some old grudge you have, or maybe just to exercise your fingers. It's all very silly.
<< So here is MY lesson for the day. If the OP had slammed atheists--athiests who are on his side in stopping a religious minority from taking over--then he would be making a stupid political mistake by letting a religious belief get in the way of a valuable political alliance. >>
I don't understand what you're talking about.
<< My advice to him would be to make nice and make friends if the politics are right. Same advice to you. >>
Heh-heh! Please. You're wasting your time and mine. Advice from you is something that I can do without. Thanks.
edit: syntax, typo, spelling, clarity, emphasis
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