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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:48 PM
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why doesn't anyone talk about Peace anymore? . . .
And as I walked on
Through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes
So where are the strong
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony?
Sweet harmony.

’cause each time I feel it slippin’ away, just makes me wanna cry.
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?


Elvis Costello



BushCo has succeeded in taking the whole concept of peace off the table of intenational relations . . . they've made war to only solution, and peace something that "intelligent" people just don't talk about . . . because they "know better" . . .

we need to bring peace back into the political arena . . . we need to talk about peace, and we need to stand for peace . . . and do it without letting the other side tag us with being "soft on defense" and other such shit . . .

the Democratic Party should be the peace party . . . peace here at home, and peace in the world . . . peace should be the long-term goal for our nation and for humankind . . .

if we don't talk about peace and embrace it as an ideal, we'll never have it . . .


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Dez Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:51 PM
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1. no money to be made
in times of peace though.. that's the bottom line.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:51 PM
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2. They don't talk about peace
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 11:52 PM by walldude
because there is no money in it. Sad, but true.

-edit- Great minds...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:53 PM
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3. Or consideration, or manners, or helping others, or...
Many dead words and dying concepts. Selfishness is rearing its ugly head for all to see, that we may all choose another way.

Or there'll be a civil war or worse. The worse it gets, the more we'll have learned at the end of the day.
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Pow_Wow Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:54 PM
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4. he does talk about peace
only to be obtained through murder and violence though.
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:01 AM
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5. You may be right, but I cannot visualize peace anymore
Maybe, I'm too upset on a daily basis "fighting" against all of the issues going on in the political/religious arena. I'm really concerned about global warming, peak oil, and the impinging theocracy and suspension of the Constitution.

I can't do anything about Darfur or Rwanda. I can't do anything about the course already set in Iraq as I don't believe the simple solution of just pulling out is the correct one. We're in there, we've broken it, and we've got to get it stablized far more than it is. I really feel that an all out civil war awaits us and I don't see either a simple or complex solution for this.

We have war on our city streets. I'm at a loss to know a solution to this that isn't complex and long term -- something our current government isn't willing to deal with.

I'm struggling to find peace within my own life right now and no where close to achieving it. I hope you're doing better than I am.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:03 AM
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6. I worked for Kucinich.
His dream of a Department of Peace is an international model for which to aspire. My Democratic party fights for peace..
George listens to no one...Many of us have just given up...I think large anti-war rallies stokes all our passions and keeps the dream of peace alive..Are we all that hopeless.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:04 AM
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7. KUCINICH !!
kiddo...

dp
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:55 AM
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10. dweller.
Dennis Kucinich again introduces his call for a Department of Peace.I wrote my Congressman...Wish Dennis were my congressman.
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ThumperDumper Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:22 AM
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8. Bravo...
You rock! You're right. We SHOULD do that.

Actually, you've got more going on there than you think...

YA KNOW how Republicans say "We're pro-family" as if to say that opposing them is anti-family? Ya know how Republicans say "Pro-life" as if opposing them makes you anti-life?

Well, let's use their own tactic.

We'll be the party of PEACE and let the Republicans bitch about it if they want to.

I want a Peace sign tatoo. My girlfriend thinks I'm nuts. I'm not nuts.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:10 AM
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9. Peace and serenity...
"If we have no peace it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."--Mother Teresa


:grouphug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:07 AM
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11. Winning Wars on Extremism
We have to talk about political and religious extremism, that democracy is no guarantee against it, that it is far too prevalent to bomb into extinction. We have to be able to say why extremism leads to terrorism, and what peaceful methods circumvents it. We're not having that discussion and I'm not even sure anybody has real answers. But that's where we need to be headed.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=770
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:07 AM
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12. Bad for ratings, sorry
And how can you be a real SUPERPOWER SUPERHERO EMPIRE if you don't go around blowing up a few brown people every now and then.

Let's get real.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:13 AM
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13. "All we are saying
is give peace a chance." - John Lennon

I think that you are right to start your threat with peace lyrics. Music is a powerful medium. I always though John's song was the best peace song. I don't think he'd mind if we up-dated some of the lyrics here on DU.

And a one, and a two, .....
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:19 AM
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14. Peas in our thyme.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:41 AM
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15. Because too many people on both sides of the aisle
Are under the Pottery Barn delusion, ie, we broke it, we either own it or we must fix it. We must get out of this mindset. First of all, Iraq is still a soveign nation, we are just the illegal and immoral occupiers. We don't own it, we're just raping it.

Nor can we fix it. Much like in Vietnam, all our continued presence will do is bring more destruction and more death. Any government set up in Iraq under the auspices of the US is going to be considered illegal and illegit by the Iraqi people. It will only be kept in power so long as we are in country. As soon as we leave, no matter when that is, there will be a civil war in Iraq, and out of that will a true Iraqi government emerge.

Thus, it is only logical that US troops leave now. Our ongoing presence is simply prolonging the conflict. Yes, pay reparations for the destruction we've done, and to every family of every Iraqi that we have harmed. But leave, NOW.

Of course you aren't going to hear this kind of talk in the MSM or in the corridors of power. There are six media corporations that control 95% of our media, and four of them have a direct vested interest in keeping this war going. The other two have indirect ties to the military industrial complex, and thus have their own reasons for continuing the conflict. Our so-called leaders are only allowed as much freedom on this issue as what is allowed them by their corporate masters. And these corporations are making too much money off of this war to ever want it to stop.

Thus, the peace movement is given little if any MSM exposure, the realities of this war are not being given air time, and the whole mess has been given a sugar coating of bringing democracy to Iraq and "Support Our Troops", and its unspoken corallary, support this war. The death and destruction that we are inflicting, the soldiers that are being killed and wounded, the atrocities that being committed in our name, with our tax dollars are being kept off the news outlets, who instead devote their attention to such important issues as Jacko, Charles, Schiavo, the Pope, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

How do we overcome this media blackout, I don't know. Millions have protested against this war, yet it has scarcely been reported. It is this lack of public notice that has cast a pall over the peace movement. It is, ironically, a 180 degree twist on the old sixties adage "What if they gave a war and nobody came?". That has been twisted into "What if they marched against the war, and nobody knew about it?" We're seeing the effects of that now on the peace movement. People have become discouraged and disheartened, having rammed their heads into the wall of media silence too many times over the past two years. Thus, what started out as an unprecendented mobilization against the war two years ago is quickly falling apart due to lack of coverage and apathy.

Thus, with no visible public outcry against the war, our so-called leaders aren't being held to account. Thousands die, yet we are fixated on dying Popes and brain dead citizens. I fear that it is going to take an escalation into violence to grab the medias' attention. Much like the despair felt after the deaths of RFK and MLK, I forsee how the current lack of media coverage will lead peace activists into violent acts ala the Weathermen. This will get the medias' attention, but it will not be the attention that we want.

Like I said earlier, I don't have the answers to any of this. I simply go about my business of continuing to protest this illegal, immoral war. It's getting harder and harder to do, and I watch as my fellow activists fall one by one, due to other commitments, apathy and despair. But a solution is needed, and fairly quickly, otherwise there will be no peace movement left.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:24 AM
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17. May 2 "Mission Not Accomplished"
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:36 AM
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18. Oh I'm there!
But my bet is that the MSM won't be:eyes:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:17 AM
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16. Too busy fighting for the right to hit their own chilren? n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:40 AM
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19. The human race is antagonistic..and really never "at peace"
For all the religiosity, we always COVET what "the other guy has", and are willing to fight him for it..

Try to think of a time/place when mankind was not at war....somewhere??

Xanadu does not count:)
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