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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:38 PM
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The Pro-Cervical-Cancer Religious Right
There is research underway that may produce a vaccine against HPV, the virus believed to cause cervical cancer.

And wouldn't you know it - the religious right is gearing up to FIGHT this potientially life-saving vaccine. They're more worried about preventing pre-marital sex than preventing cancer.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/27/14458/3396

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council says.

Why does the Family Research Council support cervical cancer?
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:41 PM
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1. I don't even know where to begin in a response to this
what is with the right and sex? They just hate it so much!

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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:10 PM
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11. I think it's because no one wants to have sex with them
That's my theory anyway (totally inscientific and not original). They don't have any so they don't want anyone else to have fun they are missing out on.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:49 PM
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2. These people are nuts
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 06:51 PM by Mz Pip
What a leap in logic. I still get tested for cervical cancer and I've been married for 30 years. That's what a Pap Smear is, a test for the virus that has been linked to cervical cancer.

I do not believe the risk for cervical cancer drops when you get married or all of us married women would not be encouraged to get annual pap smears.

THese people are idiots.

Mz Pip
:dem:

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:50 PM
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3. didn't you know?
It's ok for all those godless sexual women to die and go to hell. It's what God would want right?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:51 PM
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4. The Pro-STD Religious Right
The Anti-Good Health Religious Right.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:51 PM
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5. That is completely insane. n/t
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:53 PM
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6. By this same logic
we should make airbags illegal, since it makes people feel safer in their cars and more apt to drive recklessly.
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:58 PM
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10. Love your Logic
Kudos!
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:44 PM
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16. Naw, they don't care about that because ...
it's not related to sex!
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:55 PM
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7. You reading this, Michelle Malkin?
Gonna write about it? Maybe a little trademark tirade, this time about the extremism of a group on the right?

Nah, didn't think so. You don't have the guts. Nor the character. You're a whore and you know exactly who your pimp is.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:56 PM
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8. This makes no sense whatsoever.
Yet why doesn't it surprise me in the least?
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:57 PM
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9. Oh My God!
Just Oh My God!
Let's just "circumcise" infant girls, cut off womens breasts, then they won't get breast cancer and put them in Burkas! :banghead: :sarcasm:
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:17 PM
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12. That's what our DU friend Robin died from. May all these people
rot in hell.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:20 PM
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13. Culture of Laughs!!!!
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:23 PM
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14. For the love of God
I can NOT believe this.

Most young women don't even know about HPV, and have no idea how widespread it is and how dangerous it is. Furthermore, HPV takes a long time to cause any symptoms. In my case, over seven years. I was married with two toddlers before I started having abnormal pap smears and was told about HPV.

I guess the Family Research Council would have preferred I died and left a husband and two babies behind.

This is staggeringly immoral. These people would actually use a potentially cancer-causing virus as a weapon to control women.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:27 PM
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15. Don't you know women who have sex deserve to die?
This saves them from having to gather up a crowd to stone her to death.

In Theocracy They Trust
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_041105F.shtml

One conference speaker was Howard Phillips, the hulking former Nixon staffer who helped midwife the new right. Years ago, Phillips, along with Richard Viguerie and Paul Weyrich, recruited a little-known Baptist preacher named Jerry Falwell to start the Moral Majority. Though he was raised Jewish, Phillips is now an evangelical Christian who told me he was profoundly influenced by the late R.J. Rushdoony, the founder of Christian Reconstructionism. "Rushdoony had a tremendous impact on my thinking," Phillips said. As time goes on, he said, Rushdoony's influence is growing.

Christian Reconstructionism calls for a system that is both radically decentralized, with most government functions devolved to the county level, and socially totalitarian. It calls for the death penalty for homosexuals, abortion doctors and women guilty of "unchastity before marriage," among other moral crimes. To be fair, Phillips told me that "just because a crime is capital doesn't mean you must impose the death penalty. It means it's an option." Public humiliation, he said, could sometimes be used instead.


more on christian reconstructionists and who else they want to execute here:
Operation Potomac

Taking Advantage Of The 'Faith-Based' Atmosphere In Washington, Christian Reconstructionists -- The Most Radical Fringe Of The Religious Right -- Are Marching Into The U.S. Capitol And The White House


http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5628&abbr=cs_

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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:00 PM
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17. UM. HPV can remain dormant for years - married people can get it too.
Even a "sweet, virginal, God-fearing, neo-con female who waits until marriage to have sex in order to produce a white male child that can be drafted" can still get HPV and die of cancer if her husband ever screwed around before he married her, or God forbid, after. And yes - even BJ's count - I have treated patients with HPV in their mouths - warts and all so to speak.

These Neo-cons are so fucking twisted I cannot even begin to fathom the level of depravity they possess. What is wrong with these freaks?
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:27 PM
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18. Hateful vicious scumbag freaks.
Does that about cover it? Probably doesn't even begin to cover it.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:35 PM
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19. Why aren't they boycotting Viagra, Cialis etc.?
They don't just maybe lead to sex. Where are the campaigns to get rid of them? Boycotts of the companies, bans on TV and print ads, Pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions? Oh wait I forgot - it is only women who's privates they want under lock and key. DOH!
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:34 AM
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23. That's one I hadn't thought of
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 12:34 AM by Heaven and Earth
excellent point, to be philosophically consistent, they should be all about banning ED pills. Thanks for the little bolt of enlightenment.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:44 PM
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39. Yep they should ban 'em or make men swear to only use 'em with their wife
but they won't because this is only about controlling women's sex lives not men's.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:37 PM
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20. What?!?!?
This gets more ridiculous by the day.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:27 AM
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21. this is too twisted. as someone who was treated 20 years ago (and I
had only been sexually active for less than a year prior) -- I am tense after getting a pap awaiting the results. We got married and both have been in remission for over 20 years, but the virus is always there. I cannot imagine why they would deny manufacture/distribution of ANYTHING that could help someone not get any type of illness. Herpe's vaccine -- Nope, might encourage you to have sex, sweetie. AIDS vaccine (oh, we can hope) -- Nope, we just can't support a product that would encourage you to have sex. bah!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:32 AM
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22. Freepers/Fundies are just so stupid they need to be smacked
Don't teach kids about sex and they won't do it.

Don't teach kids about condoms and other birth control because it will encourage them to have sex.

Don't give kids vaccinations or proper gynecological healthcare because it will encourage them to have sex.

Don't teach kids about AIDS or they will run out and have gay sex (and you know it's only those dirty gays that get it anyway).

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


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MontageOfFreedom Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 05:02 AM
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25. Its only those dirty gays?
Then why are they having one run around the White House with Bush in the backroom?

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

Uh oh Bill Frist better get his medications.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 05:11 AM
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28. Can you say "denial"?
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 05:11 AM by BuffyTheFundieSlayer
It's more than just a river in Egypt...
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 04:55 AM
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24. OMG! Are they really that paranoid?
I think these people need some very serious psychological counseling if they see SEX in everything.

They sure have their priorities fucked up.
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MontageOfFreedom Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 05:03 AM
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26. I Guess the fundies didn't know their president and his brother do it
Good old James Dale Guckert is still running around in the backroom of the white house, that must be some real moral values!

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

I'm sure the dirty gay sex is just peeving everybody off, those fundies pick em.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 05:08 AM
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27. Why aren't these people in padded rooms? Seriously
They're ill. They need help. They are a danger to themselves and others around them.

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 06:55 AM
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29. What A Thoroughly VILE Organization!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:09 AM
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30. i want these people to burn in hell
and i just filled my Zippo

my WIFE had Cancer you FUCKS

:grr:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:39 AM
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31. kick
:grr:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:44 AM
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32. Oh yes. It's much better for women to die than to have premarital sex
Women dying of cervical cancer . . . no big deal.

But please please please keep women from having sex before marriage!!

:sarcasm:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:48 AM
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34. GMTA. See below.
;)
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:44 AM
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33. Yes, of course, dying a painful death of cervical cancer is just and
merciful punishment for premarital sex...:eyes:
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:48 PM
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40. It saves them from having to stone unchaste women to death
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5628&abbr=cs_

As if this were not controversial enough, Christian Reconstructionists also advocate an extreme vision of social policy. Citing passages from the Old Testament Books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, many Reconstructionists would institute the death penalty for a number of offenses, among them striking or cursing a parent, adultery, homosexuality, "unchastity," rape of a betrothed virgin, witchcraft, "incorrigible" juvenile delinquency, blasphemy and propagation of "false" religious doctrines. Some favor stoning as the biblically preferred means of execution.

Reconstructionists also argue that the Bible sanctions some forms of slavery and accords women a second-class status. One Reconstructionist writer, Steve Schlissel, has asserted that the "God-ordained order" places "God above all, man joyfully under God, woman lovingly under man, and the animals at bottom."
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:50 AM
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35. Well, considering these guys reject science in general...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:55 AM
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36. HPV can also be transmitted to the baby during birth
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 07:58 AM by Horse with no Name
if it isn't diagnosed.
Am familiar with a baby that had it and they thought she was just failure to thrive. CPS was called in because they thought the family wasn't feeding her.
They admitted her to the hospital, she arrested. When they went to put the tube down her throat, they couldn't pass it because the warts had closed her throat off. They did a trach. The baby died en route to Galveston.
So, not only do they support cervical cancer, they also support the death of children.

Edited to add:

Genital Warts - This infection, whose clinical name is Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), is common in pregnancy and may be located in the vulva, vagina, or cervix. Because of hormone changes that occur during pregnancy, warts develop and can grow in size and number, bleed, or make delivery more difficult (Cesarean section is often recommended if warts are present in the birth canal). In a few instances, babies exposed to HPV during birth may develop warts in their eyes or throats, causing vision, vocal, or respiratory problems.

http://www.herhealthcare.com/newsletter/hhc_ob_27_28/edu8.htm
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:40 PM
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37. another kick
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 12:44 PM by Beaverhausen
cause this is too fucked up to be believed

here is the whole article on the topic by the way:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg18624954.500/
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:42 PM
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38. Duh Married People Get It Too!
What do you do if you are married and you get it? Is that legal to them? Is that moral to them?
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 02:27 PM
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41. Kick for the Relgious Wrong's so called Culture of Life
....
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 02:57 PM
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42. These people are 100% off their collective nut.
"Culture of Life" my ass.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 03:56 PM
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43. It's the same lack of logic as abstinence-only educataion
Just learned a 17-year-old I know is now a daddy with a 15-year-old girlfriend. He was one of those kids who made a pact to remain celibate until married.

His parents are Christian fundamentalists from hell.

They taught him all about the evils of sex, all about what the bible says about sex, all about why he should remain abstinent, but they never actually taught him how "the plumbing" works, or how to protect himself from STDs or unwanted pregnancy, "because if we teach him these things, he will think it's okay to have sex." Well, looks like he thought it was okay after all.

Clue, fundies: Keeping sex a mystery won't stop a young man from discovering the mystery. Keeping sex dangerous for women won't stop them from having sex either.

What complete and total idiots these folks are. With apologies to idiots.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-05 04:47 PM
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44. It's only premarital sex if you plan on getting married.
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