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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:28 AM
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Went to PNAC website earlier
and now I'm noticing I couldn't find Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush names? They were there before. Have they quit the PNAC? Or just deleted their names from the website.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:33 AM
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1. Was he ever an official member?
I know Rumsfeld and Libby were. I thought Cheney just worked closely with them but wasn't part of the PNAC, itself (since he was Sec'y of Defense under * the elder and then busy stealing money from the gov't at Halliburton.


BTW, was John Bolton a co-founder of the PNAC? The same John Bolton up for UN ambassadorship?
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:34 AM
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2. Well played Winston
well played indeed.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:35 AM
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3. Still there just click on statement of principals or
Edited on Sun May-01-05 09:41 AM by Botany
the 1998 letter asking Clinton to start a war in Iraq. Also if you use their
search engine and type in New Pearl Harbor you can see what these evil
shits intended to use 9/11 for in before it happened.

I do think soon they will take down most of their posts because it is
like Mien Kampf for Hitler or the German documents about a final
solution for the Jews in 1942 that were used @ Nuremberg.


I wonder how the media is doing covering the runaway bride story?


Edit .... the search engine no longer works ......
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rosegreene Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:37 AM
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4. You bet they were
I was aware of PNAC in 2002 and was amazed at the names on the list of signers. Jeb was a surprise to me. I wonder when they altered their "statement"?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:58 AM
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5. They aren't called "the Bush crime family" aka the "BFEE" aka
"the Octopus" for nothing.

Here's brother Neil co-founding an "ecumenical foundation" in 1999 with the man who is now Pope:


Neither Bush, now president of the educational software company Ignite! Learning, based in Austin, Texas, nor Daniel returned calls for comment.

In his highly publicized divorce last year, Bush revealed he and Daniel are co-chairs of Texas-based Crest Investment Co., which pays him $60,000 a year for consulting. Recently, Crest Investment officials used Bush's name as a reference in cutting an exclusive deal with Texas officials on construction of a liquid natural gas storage facility that will guarantee Crest payments of at least $2 million a year, according to the Los Angeles Times.

<snip>

Daniel reportedly became acquainted with Bush in 1991, the year the federal Office of Thrift Supervision sanctioned Bush for having "multiple conflicts of interest" in his role as a director of Silverado Savings and Loan, a Colorado thrift whose failure cost taxpayers $1.3 billion. Bush paid $50,000 in a settlement.

The foundation, based at the Orthodox Center of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Geneva, is listed by Dun & Bradstreet business credit reports as a management trust for purposes other than education, religion, charity or research. But Vachicouras said the designation must be a mistake of translation to English because the foundation is a private nonprofit established under Swiss law. He said the foundation is being "relaunched" on its mission to publish the original text of the Bible's Old Testament in Hebrew, its New Testament in Greek and the Quran in Arabic.



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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:09 AM
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6. I was always under the impression that dick cheney co founded
it. When i first found out about pnac here.. I was amazed to see cheney and jeb bush. Just went to their website and their names aren't listed anymore.

hmmmmmm
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:27 AM
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7. Cheney just signs the letters
It's only a handful of people that founded it. Bill Kristol, Bruce Jackson, Gary Schmitt, and a few others. Rumsfeld, Cambone, etc, etc, just sign up with what they write.

Cheney and Bush are listed on the Statement of Principles, but not on the Clinton letter. Maybe it's just a bug, but maybe it isn't.

Cheney with a change of heart?












Hahahaha.




But seriously. If they did remove those two names from the Cliton letter, I'm sure they did it for good enough reasons.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:39 AM
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10. Interesting
I wonder why? Is someone on to them or something? :shrug: I remember reading their name's as well. From my understanding it's Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld who are all the founders of PNAC and Jeb and the others are probably co-founders and/or helpers.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 10:33 AM
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8. Go to the letters link.
Edited on Sun May-01-05 10:33 AM by Cleita
You will find their names on letters written in the past that will prove their involvement if called upon to. I have also downloaded many of the letters including the one to Clinton in 1998 where they ask him to invade Iraq, in case they decide to scrub the files.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:09 AM
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9. Here's the PNAC members who wrote are advised the writers
Edited on Sun May-01-05 11:12 AM by alfredo
Of "Rebuilding America's Defense"

DONALD KAGAN - GARY SCHMITT
Project Co-Chairmen
THOMAS DONNELLY
Principal Author


PROJECT PARTICIPANTS

Roger Barnett
U.S. Naval War College

Alvin Bernstein
National Defense University

Stephen Cambone
National Defense University

Eliot Cohen
Nitze School of Advanced International
Studies, Johns Hopkins University

Devon Gaffney Cross
Donors' Forum for International Affairs

Thomas Donnelly
Project for the New American Century

David Epstein
Office of Secretary of Defense,
Net Assessment

David Fautua
Lt. Col., U.S. Army

Dan Goure
Center for Strategic and International Studies

Donald Kagan
Yale University

Fred Kagan
U. S. Military Academy at West Point

Robert Kagan
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Robert Killebrew
Col., USA (Ret.)

William Kristol
The Weekly Standard

Mark Lagon
Senate Foreign Relations Committee

James Lasswell
GAMA Corporation

I. Lewis Libby
Dechert Price & Rhoads

Robert Martinage
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Phil Meilinger
U.S. Naval War College

Mackubin Owens
U.S. Naval War College

Steve Rosen
Harvard University

Gary Schmitt
Project for the New American Century

Abram Shulsky
The RAND Corporation

Michael Vickers
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Barry Watts
Northrop Grumman Corporation

Paul Wolfowitz
Nitze School of Advanced International
Studies, Johns Hopkins University

Dov Zakheim
System Planning Corporation


Jeb Bush's name was on the list of contributors, and so was Cheney. It appears they have been redacted.

More names of PNAC toadys can be seen in the letters to Clinton and bush.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:40 AM
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11. Right
Why do they still have Wolfowitz's name???
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:43 PM
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13. We all know he is an asshole whether his name is there or not.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:47 AM
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12. Oh don't worry, those fuckers dont get to escape off to the memory hole
that easily.

Pleanty of people knew that this would happen eventually there has been literally thousands of snapshot taken of the sight.

No what worries me about the redaction is that they have a reason for doing that now at this time after all these years.

Will it be the Middle East or South America???

Because the only thing I can figure is that they are about to do something that lines up so perfectly with PNAC that it will be very very hard indeed for them to refute that they are implementing a non elected un official think tanks agenda ther'es a lawsuit that a lawyer from CO is trying to push in regards to this... anyone remember seeing that?
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