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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 11:46 PM
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MNA 1608: Day 2 of MissionNOTAccomplished
Edited on Tue May-03-05 12:02 AM by understandinglife
American Deaths since war began (March 19 2003) as of May 3 2005 midnight EDT is 1586

Source of information:
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

MNA Day 2 will be announced when the number of American deaths in Iraq is 1608

That day is designated MNA 1608

24 hours after receiving any form of communication containing the MNA logo:



YOU are requested To Do Two Things:

1. Do NOT do anything you normally would do for 24 hours, excepting essential activities (which includes communicating with all those who care);

2. Contact at least 10 other individuals and encourage them To Do # 1 and # 2.

For reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3572770

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us -- Because "We The People" Care and Because "We The People" Are America
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:12 AM
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1. Read Conyers letter. Time to stop the liars and the atrocities.
Edited on Tue May-03-05 09:13 AM by understandinglife
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:15 PM
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99. "Bereaved accuse ministers of war crimes" -- May 8 2005
Bereaved accuse ministers of war crimes
By Severin Carrell
08 May 2005

"Tony Blair's government has been accused of committing war crimes in Iraq in a complaint by the families of dead British soldiers to the International Criminal Court.

The group of 10 bereaved families claims that British troops were unlawfully ordered to use cluster bombs near civilian areas and to destroy essential power supplies which affected hospitals and water. Their complaint to the ICC, in The Hague, also accuses the Government of illegally acting out of all proportion to the official aim of the war: ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.

The group, Military Families Against the War, includes Reg Keys, who stood against Mr Blair in the election and won 4,252 votes.

The accusations have been given added weight by revelations that the Attorney General and the head of Britain's armed forces feared that there was a real risk that the ICC would investigate alleged war crimes in Iraq. Lord Goldsmith warned the Prime Minister 12 days before the war began that it was "likely the court will scrutinise any allegations of war crimes by UK forces very closely"."

(more at link):

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/story.jsp?story=636586



www.missionnotaccomplished.us -- Prepare for MNA 1608 as it is soon to be upon us, tragically
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:27 AM
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2. kick
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:44 AM
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3. Stong statement from the congressman...
Edited on Tue May-03-05 10:45 AM by btmlndfrmr
..."If the disclosure is accurate, it raises troubling new questions regarding the legal justifications for the war as well as the integrity of your own Administration."

Thems fightin' words.

Drip, drip, drip or should we say gurgle, gurgle, gurgle?


Go Conyers!
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 12:13 PM
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4. kick
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 01:16 PM
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5. Conyers
On many a cloudy day, when despair attempts to creep into my worldview, along comes John Conyers with the right questions, and demands for an answer.

When I was a very little girl, I was afraid to be in the bathtub when the water was swirling down the drain. I was afraid I'd be gurgled into oblivion.

Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle, indeed!
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 04:27 PM
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6. DU Conyers thread, for anti-gurgle visibility
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3588742

puebloknot: for me, when i was a very little girl, it was the same fear, only of the :hurts:

i much preferred my Tsalagi grandma's outhouse: smelly, spidery, splintery for sure, and sometimes a challenge to a small person's balance -- but then, all of that was good training for later, and throwing in with Dems ?? :-) :think: :-)

:hi: :dem: :kick:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 07:09 PM
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9. Drain Bamage!
Maybe some of us just have a calling with regard to these matters.

When I was 13, vacationing in Italy, I was forced to use public facilities which consisted of a drain hole in a concreted area, two places for feet, not even a handle to hold onto. I thought surely I would not see home again. But my voyage has continued. :)

Think Laura Bush could get through an experience like that?

Tsalagi? Last name, Native American tribe?

Yes, I agree, all these experiences are good training for the challenges facing us. And staying true to the spirit of this exchange, if there was ever a time when it seems the sh** might actually hit the fan, it feels like it's now.

Yes, UL is right, it's time for indictments.
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 07:52 PM
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11. no indeed, I don't think Laura could get through
an experience like that.

all courage to any of us who have what it takes to continue this journey toward accountability, truth, and liberation from criminal tyranny.

wherever we've come from and wherever we're going next, may our roads and spirits converge peacefully and purposefully.

would rather have our "drain bamage" (always a joy to encounter another Spoonerizer :-)) than be caught, as the ... hyper-privileged are, in their "soul cages" - to borrow an old phrase from Sting.

Tsalagi = Cherokee. IIRC, the transliterated "L" of the early eastern dialect was/is sounded more closely to "R". so, somehow, early traders and other contact-era Europeans derived "Cherokee" from "Tsalagi".

UL is indeed (as usual) right-on - it's time for indictments...

now that the fan .... is running at maximum speed.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:35 PM
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15. Tsalagi
Hi.

Given the part of the country you're from, I wondered if it might be a Cherokee name.

My family legend is the following: On my mother's side, I always heard we were "part Indian." The family name is Walker, my mother was born in Arkansas, and given that there were some Cherokee chiefs named Walker associated with the Trail of Tears event, I've wondered. I always knew there was a certain reluctance to talk openly about that particular connection.

About eight years ago, my *father's* sister said to me: "You do know that you have a full-blood Cherokee great-grandmother don't you?" And how would I ever have know that, given that no one ever breathed a word?

And then there's the fact that I am a first cousin, seven times removed, of Daniel Boone, the first real estate agent who came to Cherokee territory and helped them to their eventual fate.

By now, you'd think mankind would have learned a lesson or two. But no, power and greed are still alive and well.....but not forever!

I've always been intrigued that the Cherokees had their own written language, and newspaper, and highly developed civilization.
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:13 AM
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29. wonders never cease.
Hi, Cousin.

Thanks so much for your message.
So that we don't hijack his beautiful thread here,
I would like to ask UL to put us in touch by email,
if that's OK with you?

"...given that no one ever breathed a word" --
oh yes, how well I understand that!

For all the hiding and dodging and whispering,
at least we can say they left us the joy of
"happening" to find each other some dozen-generations
down the road?? (only apparently linear, true?)

! Kokopelli ! - y'think? ;-)

What a delight.

Hope to talk with you later today!

:hi: x8-r

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:47 AM
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38. Check your PM (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT BU$H AND THE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS, NOW
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:46 AM
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37. Hi puebleknot!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:12 PM
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40. THanks for the welcome!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:08 PM
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47. From Congressman John Conyers,Jr.'s blog
Thursday, April 28th, 2005


I sent a letter, along with five of my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee, to ask the Justice Department investigate police misconduct at the GOP Convention this summer. Basically, we complain about the fact that it appears that hundreds upon hundreds of arrests were bogus. Nearly 1,000 such cases have already been dismissed. Videotapes reveal that the police mistated facts and distorted appearances to justify their shutdown of legitimate protests. This kind of behavior cannot be tolerated in this country, and it is particularly important that we allow free speech to flower at our political conventions. I disagreed with the cordoning off of protestors in Boston, and the trumped up charges and phony arrests in New York clearly crossed the line of what a free democracy can allow.
snip----
http://www.conyersblog.us/
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 04:32 PM
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7. Thank You !!!
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 06:30 PM
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8. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
As plainly stated as it ever needs to be.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

Time for indictments.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; PROSECUTE THE WAR CRIMINALS, NOW



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 07:17 PM
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10. We now have our "Nick Ut photo" to memorialize Bu$h's criminal, brutal...
...occupation of Iraq



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3592748#3592803

Urge the DU folk to place this photo on the 'homepage' and leave it there until America announces its withdrawl from Iraq

Peace


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT BU$H AND THE FRISTIAN NEOCONSTERS, NOW
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:10 PM
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12. When The Angels Fall
So high above the world tonight
The angels watch us sleeping
And underneath a bridge of stars
We dream in safety's keeping
But perhaps the dream
Is dreaming us
Soaring with the seagulls
Perhaps the dream
Is dreaming us
Astride the backs of eagles

When the angels fall
Shadows on the wall
In the thunder's call
Something haunts us all
When the angels fall
When the angels fall

Take your father's cross
Gently from the wall
A shadow still remaining
See the churches fall
In mighty arcs of sound
And all that they're containing
Yet all the rugged souls
Of all the rugged men
Looking for their lost homes
Shuffle to the ruins
From the levelled plain
To search among the tombstones

When the angels fall
Shadows on the wall
In the thunder's call
Something haunts us all

When the angels fall
When the angels fall
When the angels fall

These are my feet
These are my hands
These are my children
And this is my demand
Bring down the angels
Cast them from my sight
I never want to see
A million suns at midnight


Your hands are empty
The streets are empty
You can't control us
You can't control us anymore

When the angels fall ... When the angels fall
When the angels fall ... When the angels fall
When the angels fall ... When the angels fall

- Sting
from _The Soul Cages_ 1990
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:36 PM
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13. Chiming in from the vortex
...there is no simplicity here.


It's tricky when
You feel someone
Has done something
On your behalf

It's slippery when
Your sense of justice
Murmurs underneath
And is asking you:

How am I going to make it right?

With a palm full of stars
I throw them like dice
Repeatedly
I shake them like dice
And throw them on the table
Repeatedly
Repeatedly
Until the desired constellation appears
And I ask myself:

How am I going to make it right?
How am I going to make it right?
How am I going to make it right?
And you hear
How am I going to make it right?

Desired Constellation"
Bjork Medulla 2001
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:33 AM
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33. btmlndfrmr
Beautiful post, thank you.

"How am I going to make it right?"

No...there is no simplicity here.

But what a difference, not to be staring
into our palms alone, with no one to talk to.

otoaae :hi:



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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:52 PM
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17. e.e. cummings to a weary, distraught soldier
let it go-the
smashed word broken
open vow or
the oath cracked length
wise-let it go it
was sworn to
go

let them go-the
truthful liars and
the false fair friends
and the boths and
neithers-you must let them go they
were born
to go

let all go-the
big small middling
tall bigger really
the biggest and all
things-let all go
dear
so comes love
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:49 PM
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19. Beautiful.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:02 AM
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25. Beautiful....cummings poem
Yes, I think so, too. It has comforted me, and seemed fitting for the emotion stirred by that photo of a soldier holding a young child -- perhaps a wounded or dead child?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:51 PM
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21. self delete
Edited on Tue May-03-05 10:52 PM by btmlndfrmr
dial up hiccup
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:34 AM
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23. very beautiful and
Edited on Wed May-04-05 12:34 AM by hiley
thank you for sharing this....:cry:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:00 AM
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24. You're welcome
This poem visits me often, when I need to remember to come back to my own center.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:19 AM
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27. Hi friend...
need a hug?:pals:

peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:27 AM
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28. sure do
thank you fooj !
:hug:
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:40 AM
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34. how about another?
:hug: :pals:

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:12 PM
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43. savannahana
most certainly need hugs.
the troops must be brought home and i feel now is not soon enough.
while our government continues the occupation of Iraq we create more insurgents,
children who are lucky enough to survive are going to turn to hate for america because of our government's shameful and destructive policies. endless, war and occupation is all this administration has on it's mind.
napalm, depleted uranium weapons and greed
meanwhile our troops are coming home dead, wounded, without limbs, and with PTSD ! many carry the fallout from duw and will have children born with unnecessary deformities.
cancer genes grow from being exposed to duw .
we have to get our message across to bush administration and the American people.
everyone should know all there is to know about PNAC
project for the new american century not just the du community.

post tramatic stress disorder is quite disabling as well...
we have to join together to get the message across
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:15 PM
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54. in full accord, & with admiration for how well you articulate
all of these crucial issues, dear friend hiley!

thanks for your post here.

you are into all of this so deeply, and may well have already the site & excellent pages there i have to offer here, but just in case, & for anyone here at DU becoming more acquainted with these issues, here's my small collection >>>

http://www.mindfully.org/

and specifically, at left sidebar, "nuclear" >>>

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/nucs2004.htm

and on the above-linked page, more specifically >>>

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/DU-Radiological-Toxicity-WHO5nov01.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/Rokke-Depleted-Uranium-DU21apr03.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/DU-Leuren-Moret21apr03.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/DU-Medical-Effects-Mar99.htm

Additionally (note: BFEE Document Alert!):

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Afghanistan-Criminal-Tribunal10mar04.htm

and >>>

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Trojan-Horse1jul04.htm

above link includes Brzezinski’s map of the Eurasian Chessboard

and a notable quote:

Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot that it do singe yourself.
William Shakespeare (1564-1616)


my personal odyssey into the plutonic underworlds of suppressed DUW info began in early 2003, thanks to a dear friend who doesn't post to boards such as DU, but has been & remains invaluable to me as mentor and fellow-traveler and brave plain-eyed human being who does not flinch from looking head-on at the truth (homage to "MT")

thank you from my heart for all that *you* are doing to help bring people into awareness of these horrors: the TRUE TERROR that MUST concern each & every one of us and ENGAGE our complete attention, intelligence, and personal commitment!

sustaining :hug: for you on your personal journey

and in hope for those who come after us, "unto the 7th generation"

later, brave messenger :pals: :patriot: :hi:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:33 PM
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60. savannahana, thank you so much for all information !
all the truth has to be OUTED ! to many Americans are numb from no facts just propaganda and many, just go on living life as if nothing else matters but their little routines and gossip, football, beer, jobs, "their own families" and can not forget CELEBRITY GOSSIP ! we all know how vital it is know why brad and jen broke up and oh my is he fucking angelina jolie !
:wtf: who cares about that crap anyhow ?


This link below is 411 full !Underground Action Alliance Links
http://undergroundactionalliance.org/links.php
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. if only i can get my messy reclaimed bookmarks sorted out...
....i'll post lots more here :-)

my personal "celebrities" are the folks who post here at DU and provide links every day to vital information and thoughtful reflection for any of us who fully intend to BE ALIVE AND AWAKE and ABLE-TO-RESPOND until we die

and who aren't too afraid of dying
to take a few risks for the world we believe
can become guided & healed by the true Children of Planet Earth

love to you, hiley, thanks :hi:

and Peace :grouphug:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:22 PM
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67. Peace is the goal.......
Opposition to the War and Occupation in Iraq

Since September 2002, universities, trade unions, faith groups, NGOs and peace groups have mobilized against the US/UK led war and the occupation of Iraq, forming the biggest anti-war movement in history. This section follows global protests and public opinion on the war and occupation. See also our section on The Future of the Global Peace Movement, which covers this vigorous international movement and the global citizen solidarity that it reflects and builds. snip----
http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/role/iraq.htm#articles
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 11:45 PM
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22. "Urge the DU folk to place this photo on the 'homepage' and leave it ...
....there until Bu$h (or an actual legitimate representative of We The People) announces America's withdrawl from Iraq.

Thank you and peace. (p.s. I'll be back tomorrow; need some rest as I've been really ill these past few days)


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES, NOW.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. much more too
depleted uranium weapons affects all babies american
and iraqi.

Iraq: Depleted Uranium Causing Increase in Birth Defects
By IRINews.org
IRAQ: Doctors warn of increasing deformities in newborn babies.


BAGHDAD (IRIN) - Doctors in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, have reported a significant increase in deformities among newborn babies.
Health officials and scientists said this could be due to radiation passed through mothers following years of conflict in the country.
The most affected regions are in the south of the country, particularly Basra and Najaf, according to experts. Weaponry used during the Gulf war in 1991 contained depleted uranium, which could be a primary source for the increase, scientists in Baghdad said.
"In my experiments we have found some cases where the mother or father were suffering from pollution from weapons used in the south and we believe that it is affecting newborn babies in the country," Dr Ibraheem al-Jabouri, a scientist at Baghdad University, told IRIN.

According to Dr Nawar Ali, at the University of Baghdad, who works in the newborn babies research department, a significant number of cases of deformed babies had been reported since 2003.
“There have been 650 cases in total since August 2003 reported in government hospitals – that is a 20 percent increase from the previous regime. Private hospitals were not included in the study, so the number could be higher,” Ali warned.

snip---
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/1055/1/92/


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. Yes, the penetrance of atrocities extends well into the future....
....and children are the victims generations later.



DU Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3580507



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
77. "Infantryman's wife saw the photo and knew"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1446461&mesg_id=1446461&page=

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us -- The Only Life That Child Will EVER Have Is Over, Mr. Murderer Bu$h
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 08:59 PM
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14. Kicked and Recommended. Here is how the noecon bullies overpower
the consciences of normal people, those who do have a moral compass. To me, the story of how the British Attorney General caved to so much pressure from lawyers in the Bush administration like Gonzales and others and was brought into line with what Bush and Blair wanted speaks on so many levels. The events in this story of Lord Goldsmith thrown to the wolves for his brainwashing took place in Feb 2003, the same month as Colin Powell's fraudulent UN speech. The US invaded Iraq in March. Keep in mind, what they successfully pushed was that it was somehow "legal" to invade Iraq without going back to the UN first. Of course, they knew if they DID go back for another UN resolution, the evidence against the legality or necessity of the war would be so overwhelmint they would not be able to sell it. Hence their pressure tactics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1755978
Thread title: "Guardian: How the UK was persuaded that the Iraq invasion was legal"

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 09:48 PM
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16. "Of course, they knew if they DID go back for another UN resolution ......
...., the evidence against the legality or necessity of the war would be so overwhelming they would not be able to sell it. Hence their pressure tactics.

Precisely.

They are the embodiment of the war criminal; the real deal, in plain sight.

Peace.


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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:22 PM
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18. Kick and nominated for Greatest
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 10:49 PM
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20. Kickeroo!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:25 PM
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49. We have to stop bush from the endless wars he desires
with his policies. the PNAC will have wars with many countries if we do not unite and stop them in their tracks...hiley
from a blog below....http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/mt/
Army Recruiters Say They Feel Pressure to Bend Rules
New York Times

It was late September when the 21-year-old man, fresh from a three-week commitment in a psychiatric ward, showed up at an Army recruiting station in southern Ohio. The two recruiters there wasted no time signing him up, and even after the man's parents told them he had bipolar disorder - a diagnosis that would disqualify him - he was all set to be shipped to boot camp, and perhaps Iraq after that, before senior officers found out and canceled the enlistment.
Despite an Army investigation, the recruiters were not punished and were still working in the area late last month.
Two hundred miles away, in northern Ohio, another recruiter said the incident hardly surprised him. He has been bending or breaking enlistment rules for months, he said, hiding police records and medical histories of potential recruits. His commanders have encouraged such deception, he said, because they know there is no other way to meet the Army's stiff recruitment quotas.
The Army missed its recruitment quota
snip----http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/mt/
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 01:17 AM
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26. TRUTH IS OUR MOST POWERFUL WEAPON!
Hope sustains us! :patriot:



Peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:22 AM
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31. Daughter of Soldier Contaminated
with Depleted Uranium in Iraq Born with Deformities
This aired on DemocracyNow! back on Thursday, September 30th, 2004
In a major expose in the New York Daily News, Democracy Now! co-host Juan Gonzalez uncovered the story of how a new-born baby may have suffered deformities because her father was exposed to depleted uranium while deployed as a soldier in Iraq. We are joined in our studio by Guardsman Gerard Darren Matthew and Sgt. Ray Ramos, one of the first confirmed cases of inhaled depleted uranium exposure from the current Iraq conflict.
snip----
Gerard Darren Matthew, Guardsman sent home from Iraq with mysterious illnesses. He tested positive for uranium contamination. Shortly after his return, his wife, Janice, became pregnant. On June 29, she gave birth to a baby girl, Victoria Claudette. The baby was missing three fingers and most of her right hand.
Ray Ramos, deployed in Iraq with the 442nd Military Police. He is among the first confirmed cases of inhaled depleted uranium exposure from the current Iraq conflict.
snip----
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/30/1411222&mode=thread&tid=25
you can read the transcript or watch on video stream...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:25 AM
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32. Thank you for keeping it simple, UL.
:kick:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:02 PM
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46. Dear George--No means NO on building new nukes!
Edited on Wed May-04-05 05:03 PM by hiley
George W. Bush is trying to reinstate funding for the design of new nuclear weapons.

Last fall in a bipartisan effort, Congress wisely eliminated all money for new nuclear weapons. However, Bush is, through underhanded maneuvers, again trying force his plans for new nukes on Congress, our country and the world.

While at home Bush has been seeking new nukes, he has, simultaneously, been trotting around the world preaching nuclear abstinence. Though the US corporate media seems to take no notice, this kind of hypocrisy does not go unnoticed to the rest of the world. snip---
http://www.peace-action.org/

Exit Iraq

It's time to demand an exit strategy from Iraq.

http://www.peace-action.org/
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:49 AM
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35. Italy minister calls U.S. version of Iraq killing "a lie"
Italy minister calls U.S. version of Iraq killing "a lie"

Wednesday 04.05.2005, CET 16:31

ROME (Reuters) - A U.S. account of how its soldiers killed an Italian agent in Iraq was "clearly a lie", an Italian minister was quoted as saying on Wednesday, further stoking tensions between Rome and Washington over the shooting.

<snip>

"It is clear that in the Calipari affair there are two different versions of events and it is obvious that one of them is totally unfounded," Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli was quoted as saying by Italian media.

When pressed by reporters in parliament, he said the American version "is clearly a lie", making the most outspoken comment on the affair from a cabinet minister.

Link:
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5752787&cKey=1115210136000



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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:13 PM
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48. DemocracyNow! transcript online
AMY GOODMAN: Giuliana, the US military says your car was going very fast.

GIULIANA SGRENA: That’s not true, because we were slow, and we were slowing down, because we have to turn. And before there was some water, so it’s not true that the car was going fast.

AMY GOODMAN: They say the soldiers used hand and arm signals, flashed white lights and fired warning shots to get the driver to stop.

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, they didn’t. No, no. No light, no air fire, nothing at all. They were beside the road. They were not on the street. They were away ten meters, and they didn’t give us any sign that they were there, so we didn’t saw them before they started to shoot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did they shoot from the front or from the back?

GIULIANA SGRENA: No, on the back, not on the front. They shot on the back, because Calipari was on the back on the right and he was shot dead immediately, and I was injured on my shoulder, but I was shot by the back. So I am a proof that they were shooting on the back and not in front of the car. We can see by my injured where I was shot.

AMY GOODMAN: Did the Italians do this report with the US military?

GIULIANA SGRENA: There were two Italians in the commission, but they
snip--------
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/27/1350235&mode=thread&tid=25
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:40 AM
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36. Dang it! I keep finding the MNA threads after 24 hrs, cant nominate!
I sure can keeeck though!

Wheeeeeeee.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:20 PM
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45. MNA
“If you harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist,” were the words used by President George W. Bush in justifying the invasion of Afghanistan three-and-a-half years ago and launching the campaign of worldwide militarism known as the global war on terror. However this does not seem to apply to terrorists that inflict terror on countries like Cuba or Venezuela. Case in point being the CIA-trained Posada Carriles who entered the US illegally and is currently asking for asylum.
snip----
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/2230/Bush_silent_as_top_terrorist_seeks_US_asylum
snip--
But the Bush administration is itself harboring a notorious terrorist, wanted for the mid-flight bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner as well as other deadly attacks on civilian targets and attempted assassinations.

The terrorist in question is Luis Posada Carriles, a CIA-trained Cuban exile who slipped quietly across the US-Mexican border last month and is now formally applying for political asylum in the United States.
snip---_
________________________________________
The number one terrorist is george w.
war criminal
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:06 PM
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39. "While they pick which countries to invade....."
READ THESE WORDS, AND LISTEN TO THE PERFORMANCE

Bright Eyes - Jay Leno Video

"When The President Talks To God"

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s' rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?

I doubt it

I doubt it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x20631#20636


WHILE LOOKING AT THIS PHOTO

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:50 PM
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42. "Whensoever the general Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts ..
Edited on Wed May-04-05 03:51 PM by understandinglife
.... are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." - Thomas Jefferson

US War Crimes and the Legal Case for Military Resistance
by Paul Rockwell

"May 10th is a national day of action for GI resisters. A newly formed group, Courage-To-Resist, is organizing veterans, military families, and community activists in a campaign to support military objectors. Demonstrations to support sailor Pablo Paredes, who faces a court martial in San Diego May 11th, are in the making.

On December 6, 2004, Navy Petty Officer Pablo Paredes refused to board his Navy ship. In his press statements, he called attention to the intrinsic wrongs of war, the gross illegality of the invasion of Iraq, and the ongoing pattern of U.S. atrocities in Iraq. "I hope my resistance," said Pablo, "will inspire other GIs to refuse to take part in the wrongful occupation of Iraq."

<snip>

Understanding the legal case for resistance, we can join our soldiers of conscience on May 10th, a national day of resistance."

Link:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-25.htm



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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:15 PM
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44. Stop the Atrocities , INDEED !
Suit alleges Rumsfeld approved torture

Updated: 2005-03-02 08:54

Two U.S. human rights groups sued Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Tuesday, saying he first authorized and then failed to stop torture of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First filed suit in federal district court in Rumsfeld's home state of Illinois on behalf of eight former detainees who said they were severely tortured. All eight were subsequently released without being charged.

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/02/content_420926.htm
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:17 PM
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66. Pablo Paredes Faces Court Martial For Refusing to Fight in Iraq
I wanted to give the mainstream media a reason to have an excuse to throw that into their news, because you apparently have to present the best possible package, not just news to get mainstream media to pay attention. So that was the idea on the protest. I refused to board the ship. The other part of it, why in that situation is because a lot of media shows up when the ship pulls out just to watch the whole big goodbye, you know -- patriotic moment or whatever. So I also realized that the importance of the situation, and that if ever a dissenting voice was going to get a shot on camera, it was going to be there.

AMY GOODMAN: And so, what did you do?

PABLO PAREDES: So, I showed up and I turned in my I.D. to the Master at Arms. I told him that I refused to get on the ship. I held like an unofficial press conference right in front of the pier in which every camera that was interested in an interview got one, and the Navy really didn't know what to do with me at the time. So, in a really startling situation, one of the highest ranking officers on the ship came down and told me that I wasn't officially U.A., which means unauthorized absence, because they hadn't taken a muster, which is taking a roll of attendance, which is preposterous, because everybody was well informed that there was a muster around 6:00 in the morning, and it was already almost 9:00 at the time. So he told me that I was free to go which
snip--------http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/28/1434217&mode=thread&tid=25
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:30 PM
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50. If it is possible . . .
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Romans 12:18 NIV

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:26 PM
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52. merh needs written again, thank you .
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Romans 12:18 NIV


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:57 PM
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53. Injustice . . .
An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
~ Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ~

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:11 PM
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55. i love your mind !
An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
~ Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ~
i :think: i now have a new favorite quote, may i borrow ?

_________________________________________________________________
Bush is raping, maiming, killing and torturing kids in Iraq. This must stop. There is no compelling reason to hurt these kids.
It seems like the war has been going on forever, but it started on 2003-03-20 with the bombing of Baghdad. In this essay I hope to convince you that George W. Bush's sadistic killing, torture and rape of Iraq's children is both wrong and pointless. It must stop.

It is sort of fascinating that you can have 100 percent certainty about weapons of mass destruction and zero certainty of about where they are.
~ Hans Blix , UN chief Weapons Inspector
snip---
http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:12 PM
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56. somehow the stupid reply got stuck !
Edited on Wed May-04-05 08:22 PM by hiley
An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.
~ Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) ~
_________________________________________________________________
Pictures of Anti-War Protests from around the World

http://www.ccmep.org/2002_articles/Iraq/102702_pictures_of_anti.htm
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:28 PM
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59. It happens to all of us!
I think Samuel Johnson would be honored if you used his quote. ;-)

:hi: :patriot:

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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:12 PM
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57. Geneva Convention
Edited on Wed May-04-05 08:25 PM by hiley
relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS
Article 1
The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.

Article 2
In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

snip----
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:54 PM
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51. American Deaths: Since war began (3/19/03): 1589
As of 1550 PDT, 3 May 2005:
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:21 PM
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58. Never doubt . . .
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:40 PM
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61. merh, another excellent quote !
The high explosive tonnage delivered upon Iraq during the Gulf War was more than twice the combined Allied air offensive of World War II. Within the first few days of bombing, there was no running water in the country. More than 90 percent of Iraq's electrical capacity was destroyed. Its telecommunication systems -- including TV and radio stations -- were demolished, as were its flood control, irrigation, sewage treatment, water purification, and hydroelectic systems. Farm herds and poultry farms suffered heavy losses. US planes burned wheat and grain fields with incendiary bombs, and hit hundreds of schools, hospitals, rail stations, bus stations, air-raid shelters, mosques, and historic sites. Factories that produced textiles, cement, chlorine, petrochemicals, and phosphate were hit repeatedly. So were the refineries, pipelines, and storage tanks of Iraq's oil industry.

Iraqi civilians and soldiers fleeing Kuwait were slaughtered by the thousands on what became known as the "Highway of Death." Also massacred were Iraqi soldiers who tried to surrender to US forces on a number of occasions. In all, some 200,000 Iraqis were killed in those six weeks. Nearly all US planes, Ramsey Clark notes, "employed laser-guided depleted-uranium missiles, leaving 900 tons of radioactive waste spread over much of Iraq with no concern for the consequences to future life."
snip------
this from :Back to the March 2001 Table of Contents

Ten Years After
A delegation to Iraq defies the sanctions and assesses the damage
MICHAEL PARENTI

http://www.towardfreedom.com/2001/mar01/iraq.htm

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:02 PM
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65. Thanks hiley.
check you pmail. :hi:

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:00 PM
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69. "...leaving 900 tons of radioactive waste spread over much of Iraq...."
A lasting imprint of 'freedom' - NOT.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 12:16 AM
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70. Not in my name.
:cry:

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:52 PM
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63. anybody who quotes that courageous pioneering soul who
authored "Blackberry Winter" and so much else

gets cheers and a grateful :thumbsup: :hi: :dem: :kick: :pals: :hug:
from this smiling workstation & a lapfull of cats :-)

thanks, merh!

:hippie: :bounce:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:02 PM
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64. Hi Ana
:blush: You like that, then check out wrinkles

:hi: :hug:

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:30 PM
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68. will do, asap
my several windows are obstructed by cats
who seem determined to eat what i thought was my own
supper :eyes: :think: :shrug: :hi:

and for sure, :hug:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 01:02 PM
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71. "Lifting the Censor's Veil on the Shame of Iraq" by Bob Herbert
Lifting the Censor's Veil on the Shame of Iraq

Bob Herbert
May 5, 2005 (05.05.05 - Bien Viededas Cinco de Mayo !)

<snip>

"But while at work in a headquarters office, he said, he learned that most of the detainees at Abu Ghraib had committed only very minor nonviolent offenses, or no offenses at all. (Several investigations would subsequently reveal that vast numbers of completely innocent Iraqis were seized and detained by coalition forces.)

Several months ago Mr. Delgado gave a talk and presented a slide show at his school, New College of Florida in Sarasota. To his amazement, 400 people showed up. He has given a number of talks since then in various parts of the country.

His goal, he said, is to convince his listeners that the abuse of innocent Iraqis by the American military is not limited to "a few bad apples," as the military would like the public to believe. "At what point," he asked, "does a series of 'isolated incidents' become a pattern of intolerable behavior?"

The public at large and especially the many soldiers who have behaved honorably in Iraq deserve an honest answer to that question. It took many long years for the military to repair its reputation after Vietnam. Mr. Delgado's complaints and the entire conduct of this wretched war should be thoroughly investigated.

Link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/05/opinion/05herbert.html?hp



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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 01:46 PM
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72. Facts/Indictment timeline for Bu$h and the other war criminals.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3602653

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN.


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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:42 PM
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73. IMPEACHMENT TIME: "FACTS WERE FIXED."
Special to BuzzFlash
Thursday, May 5, 2005
By Greg Palast

Here it is. The smoking gun. The memo that has "IMPEACH HIM" written all over it.

The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...."

For years, after each damning report on BBC TV, viewers inevitably ask me, "Isn't this grounds for impeachment?" -- vote rigging, a blind eye to terror and the bin Ladens before 9-11, and so on. Evil, stupidity and self-dealing are shameful but not impeachable. What's needed is a "high crime or misdemeanor."

And if this ain't it, nothing is.

The memo uncovered this week by the Times, goes on to describe an elaborate plan by George Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to hoodwink the planet into supporting an attack on Iraq knowing full well the evidence for war was a phony.

A conspiracy to commit serial fraud is, under federal law, racketeering. However, the Mob's schemes never cost so many lives.

Here's more. "Bush had made up his mind to take military action. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

snip----http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=426
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:44 PM
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74. Greg Palast
Edited on Thu May-05-05 03:47 PM by hiley
Greg Palast, former columnist for Britain's Guardian papers, is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
Subscribe to his columns at www.GregPalast.com Media requests to contact(at)gregpalast.com Permission to reprint with attribution granted.



SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

snip---

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
snip---
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:40 PM
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75. American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1594
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1594
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:11 PM
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76. US War Crimes and the Legal Case for Military Resistance
"Whensoever the general Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." Thomas Jefferson

By Paul Rockwell

05/03/05 "Commondreams.org" - - May 10th is a national day of action for GI resisters. A newly formed group, Courage-To-Resist, is organizing veterans, military families, and community activists in a campaign to support military objectors. Demonstrations to support sailor Pablo Paredes, who faces a court martial in San Diego May 11th, are in the making.

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A Broken Covenant

It is the U.S. government, not war-resisters, that violate the covenant between soldier and the state. The ways in which the government betrays its promise to our troops are manifold.

First there is no formal declaration of war from Congress, as required by the Constitution. That may seem like a small matter. But James Madison made it clear: the legal power of military command depends on a declaration in accordance with all laws. Nor does Congress have any authority to efface the separation of powers, to transfer its solemn lawmaking obligation to the Executive branch. In the Constitution, war falls under lawmaking, not foreign policy.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8738.htm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:39 PM
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78. It's actually 1,594
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:55 PM
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80. Yes, indeed. See above:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3588644&mesg_id=3603912&page=

And that means when another 14 dear American fellow citizens die in this illegal, unjust, corrupt Bu$h war we will reach the MNA trigger of 1608 - a milestone we all must do everything possible to prevent.

Thank you Will for all you are doing to support MNA.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - STOP THE ATROCITIES; INDICT AND PROSECUTE BU$H AND ALL THE OTHER WAR CRIMINALS
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:00 PM
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84. how many has the Pentagon
not reported ?
wish we could actually trust the Pentagon.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:51 PM
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79. "Ya GOTTA read this: PNAC doc on defending Iraq War" Important DU thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3605698&mesg_id=3605698&page=


www.missionnotaccomplished.us -- THE NEOCONSTERS ARE FREAKING; PUSH'UM OVER THE EDGE
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:47 AM
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81. kick
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:01 PM
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82. "Eighty-eight members of Congress call on Bush for answers on secret ....
..... Iraq letter

Eighty-eight members of Congress have signed a letter authored by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) calling on President Bush to answer questions about a secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.

In a letter, Conyers and other members say they are disappointed the mainstream media has not touched the revelations.

"Unfortunately, the mainstream media in the United States was too busy with wall-to-wall coverage of a "runaway bride" to cover a bombshell report out of the British newspapers," Conyers writes. "The London Times reports that the British government and the United States government had secretly agreed to attack Iraq in 2002, before authorization was sought for such an attack in Congress, and had discussed creating pretextual justifications for doing so."

(more at the Raw Story link):

http://www.rawstory.com/aexternal/conyers_iraq_letter_502



www.missionnotaccomplished.us - LIES, ATROCITIES, CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS, STOLEN ELECTIONS....; THE BU$H NEOCONSTER LEGEND IN THE MAKING
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 02:33 PM
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83. A new meme inspired by Putin: Illegitimate president starts illegal war.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:34 PM
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85. Support this PDAmerica press release -- spread it everywhere.
http://www.pdamerica.org/field/Press-Release-Bush-Blair.php

In case you want to provide some context when you send the press release to someone requesting they cover it or distribute it, just send them this photo:



What you get from illegitimate president -- an illegal war and countless crimes against humanity


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:25 PM
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86. Botero knows and, interestingly, the New York Times is covering it!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3616363

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us



Sketch by Fernando Botero
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:28 PM
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87. American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1595 -- -'MNA 1608', 13 and ...
.... counting, agonizingly so.

American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1595
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:56 PM
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88. American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1601 -- 7 'til MNA 1608
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1601
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:39 PM
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89. Seven deaths from now
On that sad day, perhaps we should all make a point of calling or writing to the 88 who signed John Conyers letter, thanking them for their courage and integrity, and urging them to continue with a *real* investigation into what appears to be, at last, the smoking gun, a provable document pointing to Mr. Bush's malice aforethought which led us into war in Iraq -- impeachable in the United States, cause for trial at The Hague for crimes against humanity.

And let this investigation not be the sister of the flawed inquiry into the truth of 9/11 -- a commission whose members were chosen by Mr. Bush, and were not likely to look too deeply into any possibility of complicity on the part of this administration in that dreadful occurrence.

In the recent past, Congressman Dennis Kucinich spoke of the fear which was palpable in the halls of Congress, after the appointment of George Bush to the presidency by the Supreme Court, after 9/11, after the antrax attacks on members of Congress. Fear nothwithstanding, Congress has a duty to conduct a truly independent investigation into the matters disclosed by this recent leaked memo, even at the risk of their own lives. They are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Many of them voted to send our young men and women into harm's way, based on "facts" which many of us doubted, but could not disprove. If this memo is shown to be authentic, and it appears that it is, we should expect no less of the men and women serving in Congress than what is expected of our troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, though the harm they fear is at home, and not abroad.

Let the questioning begin, and let it be an open and truthful inquiry before We the People!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:23 PM
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90. Will Iran Be Next?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt, 1912

Will Iran Be Next?

by Mark Gaffney:
05/08/03: Those who have hoped that a U.S. military victory in Iraq would somehow bring about a more peaceful world are in for a rude awakening. The final resolution of this war and the U.S. occupation of Iraq will likely not be the end, rather, only the prelude to a succession of future crises: in Kashmir, Syria, North Korea, and Iran. This article will focus primarily on the latter case.

In the coming months the United States and its ally Israel will either accede to the existence of an Iranian nuclear power program, or take steps to prevent it. At the eye of the storm is Iran’s nuclear power plant at Bushehr, on the Gulf coast, currently under construction. The reactor is scheduled for completion later this year. Its nuclear fuel rods will then be delivered. By June 2004 it should be fully operational. The controversial project has been in the works for more than a quarter century. As it nears completion, tensions between Iran and the U.S./Israel are sure to rise. Iran is a signatory of the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), which affirms the right of states in good standing to develop nuclear power for peaceful use. Although there is no evidence Iran has yet violated the NPT, the U.S. and Israel believe that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. This is the crux of the problem. And two recently discovered Iranian nuclear sites, at Arak and at Natanz, have only heightened suspicio
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http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3288.htm

http://justacitizen.com/
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:10 PM
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91. .
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:49 PM
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92. So, where will the memorial for all those Bu$h slaughtered be located?


A Forest of Pillars, Recalling the Unimaginable

By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
Published: May 9, 2005

BERLIN - In the 15 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany, the nation has struggled - painfully and sometimes defensively - to come to terms with its Nazi past. Nowhere has that been more evident than in Berlin, the restored capital, where a vast rebuilding effort has transformed the once-ravaged city center.

A cobblestone walkway leads between the pillars at the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, which formally opens on Tuesday.

A view of the information center at the memorial, where the display includes letters from those on their way to concentration camps.
The new Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, designed by Peter Eisenman, is the apotheosis of this soul-searching. A vast grid of 2,711 concrete pillars whose jostling forms seem to be sinking into the earth, it is able to convey the scope of the Holocaust's horrors without stooping to sentimentality - showing how abstraction can be the most powerful tool for conveying the complexities of human emotion."

(more at link):

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/09/arts/design/09holo.html?hp



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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:39 AM
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93. Name Withheld Pending Notification
By Cindy Sheehan

05/08/05 "ICH" - - When I woke up this morning, the "official" death count in Iraq was 1576. The first thing I do in the morning after I boot up my computer is to check the DoD website to see if any more of our nation's precious children were killed in this horror of a nonsensical war. I was talking to another Gold Star Mom, Celeste Zappala, today and she sadly advised me that the count rose to 1579 (note: the official count is now 1594) while she was out to lunch.

Celeste and I and too many other moms know what the significance of "Pending Notification" means: it means that there are people in our country going through their lives right now not even knowing that they are about to be ambushed with the most devastating news of their lives: "We regret to inform you…"

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http://informationclearinghouse.info/article8779.htm
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:41 AM
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94. Criminals Belong in Prison :

By William Rivers Pitt

We need two exit strategies: one to get our forces out of that country
(Iraq) as soon as humanly possible, and the other to get George W. Bush
out of the White House and into a cellblock in The Hague. Save a bunk
for Mr. Blair, too. Criminals belong in prison.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8766.htm
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:46 AM
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95. landmine...
Iraqi Child killed in land mine explosion:

A child was killed and another seriously injured from a landmine
explosion in Al-Muthana governorate
http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=730812
Raise Concern Over New Landmines in Iraq!

The U.S. plans to deploy a new system of remote-controlled antipersonnel mines in Iraq by May, according to Human Rights Watch. The new mine system, which is called Matrix, allows a soldier with a laptop computer based miles away from a target to detonate Claymore mines via radio signal. Claymore mines are directional fragmentation munitions mounted above ground level and are designed to have antipersonnel effects. They can propel lethal fragments from 130 to 200 feet across a 60-degree arc. However, U.S. Army tests indicate that the actual hazard range for these types of mines can be as high as 980 feet (300 meters).

While Claymore mines are not banned by the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty and the USCBL has no position on use of these weapons, the plan to use the Matrix mine system raises two key unanswered questions in terms of their human impact.

How will a soldier, from great distances away, be able to
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http://www.banminesusa.org/
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:19 AM
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97. Horrible; simply horrible. (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:03 AM
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96. .
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:14 AM
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98. VelvetRevolution.us "Photo Which Bears Witness"
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/subsect.php?Main=VRWATCH&Sub=OUT_OF_IRAQ

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us -- Prepare for "MNA 1608" as it is soon to be upon us, tragically
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:23 PM
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100. Soldier lifts lid on Camp Delta

For the first time, an army insider blows the whistle on human rights abuses at Guantánamo
Paul Harris in New York
Sunday May 8, 2005

Observer

An American soldier has revealed shocking new details of abuse and sexual torture of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay in the first high-profile whistleblowing account to emerge from inside the top-secret base. Erik Saar, an Arabic speaker who was a translator in interrogation sessions, has produced a searing first-hand account of working at Guantánamo. It will prove a damaging blow to a White House still struggling to recover from the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq. In an exclusive interview, Saar told The Observer that prisoners were physically assaulted by 'snatch squads' and subjected to sexual interrogation techniques and that the Geneva Conventions were deliberately ignored by the US military.

He also said that soldiers staged fake interrogations to impress visiting administration and military officials. Saar believes that the great majority of prisoners at Guantánamo have no terrorist links and little worthwhile intelligence information has emerged from the base despite its prominent role in America's war on terror.

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5188757-102275,00.html
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:21 PM
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101. Hostile Information By William Rivers Pitt
Hostile Information
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Wednesday 27 April 2005

In this mean and meager time of pre-packaged, pre-processed, corporate-controlled infotainment that passes itself off as 'news, it is a rare and refreshing experience to see and hear a true journalist reporting the facts. I was privileged on Monday night to share a stage in Boston with Dahr Jamail, the intrepid reporter who could not stomach the biased non-news coming out of Iraq after the invasion, and went over there to see and report on what was happening himself.

Jamail, an unassuming spectacled man in his mid-30s, spoke in a calm and precise manner on what he had seen while in Iraq. His words carried the weight of witness, but more devastating than what he said was what he showed the crowd. For an hour, Jamail flashed photograph after photograph from Iraq on a large screen. It is one thing to hear the truth. It is another again to see it, in slide after slide, through the eyes of a man who was there and returned to tell the tale.

Jamails photo essay described the current situation in the starkest of terms
snip-----http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/042705A.shtml
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:43 PM
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102. "Unborn children of the region
Edited on Mon May-09-05 05:22 PM by hiley
being asked to pay the highest price,the integrity of their DNA."
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Ross B. Mirkarimi, The Arms Control Research Centre, from his report: ‘The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf Region with Special Reference to Iraq.’ May 1992
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Both the Pentagon and the British Ministry of Defence officially deny that there is any significant danger from exposure to DU ammunition

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These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
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http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
The pictures you will find on the bottom of the page are shocking, so please be warned and prepare yourself it you have not seen babies with these deformities before...
:cry: :cry:
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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:48 PM
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103. 1606
preparing
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:54 PM
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104. "BUSH MENDACITY WILL SHOCK HISTORIANS"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3626089&mesg_id=3626148

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Prepare for "MNA 1608" as it is tragically soon upon us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:41 PM
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105. American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1605
American Deaths Since war began (3/19/03): 1605

3 deaths away from "MNA 1608" -- Focus everyone on what that means; what the nature of the metric is.

These are lives.

Lives that will never live again.

Never hug.

Never shrug.

Never drink a beer.

Never read a poem.

Never breath another scent of a flower.

Never hear a dog bark; a child laugh.

Never.

Never.

Never.

And. It is all because of lies and the lying fristian neoconsters and their gutless Bu$h that they will die.

When "MNA 1608" arrives, I will post a new DU thread entitled "MNA 1630: Day 3 of MissionNOTAccomplished."

When you see that thread begin, please spend the subsequent 24 hours doing two things:

1. Don't do anything you typically would do;

2. Contact at least 10 people and urge them to follow your example and do both # 1 and # 2.

Thank you DU.

Peace.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:33 AM
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107. .
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:02 AM
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106. ...
:-(
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:49 PM
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108. ...










These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
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http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html
The pictures you will find on the bottom of the page are shocking, so please be warned and prepare yourself it you have not seen babies with these deformities before...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 04:38 PM
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109. "MNA 1608" has tragically arrived.
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