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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:21 PM
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Today, I spoke with a Major in the US Army, just back from 1 yr in Iraq
Edited on Wed May-04-05 03:24 PM by goodboy
He was stationed 80mi North of Baghdad. He said they were subjected to mortar attacks daily, usually in the morning, and again at night. He said the Iraqi's would pull up in a truck, unload the mortar launcher, fire off several rounds pack up and speed away. By the time they could triangulate their position they were long gone.

I asked him, "Would you say the violence is getting worse or better?"

He said, "It's getting worse." The attacks are becoming more organized in areas once thought to be relatively calm. "Baghdad's a fuckin' mess." He told me. The attacks there he told me were hourly almost, with carbombs and IED's exploding all over the place.

I asked him,"do the Iraqi's have electricity and clean water?"

He said,"where I was, they had electricity and water"

I asked him, "When will the troops start coming home?"

He said, "We're not going anywhere, we have a 10 year contract to build bases there. And besides that, the Iraqi government isn't gonna want us to leave any time in the near future because there's violence all over the place. We just can't go anywhere now."

I said, "Rumsfeld says they've got over 100,000 Iraqi's trained to fight, and training more all the time, and they're 'becoming more ready' to take over security in their own country"

He said, "I didn't fight alongside any Iraqi units, I never even saw an Iraqi unit. I can tell you right now, there's not a hundred thousand standing Iraqi soldiers. They're more worried about going outside and getting blown up at a recruiting station. The only reason they keep coming back is because those are the only jobs they can get. There's 60%+ unemployment since the war started."

I said, "Well, then what are we doing there?"

"Oil. It's all about oil." he said.

I asked him,"Do the soldiers have bullet-resistant jackets and ceramic plates for them."

He said,"Of the 200 men in my unit, everyone had them."

I asked him, "Are your vehicles armored?"

He said, "There's still a lot of vehicles without armor on them. We do try to find pieces of metal or old armor to weld to the vehicles we have there. Medical units are bringing over up-armored vehicles for them to use, but they're taking them all back when they leave...If I ever saw the Defense Secretary I'd ask him why don't they leave the up-armored vehicles there?"

I asked him, "What do the soldiers need most, what can I do to help?"

He said, "Phone cards. AT&T MCI, rip us off. And it's privates and specialists that are hit especially hard because they don't make much money. The soldiers wanna talk to their families, it's expensive, and they need phone cards."

At this point I told him about the lovely little note a FReeper left me on my car because of my anti-war, anti-bush bumper stickers. The note said I was a "discrace" (sic) and not a "REAL AMERICAN" and that I, and my "liberal pussy friends" should move to Canada or France and leave the country to the "real americans"

He shook his head and said, "That's not right."

Here's what I've decided to do. In a few days I will put the ORIGINAL FReeper note un-edited up for auction on e-bay with a starting bid of $10.00. 100% of every penny I receive will go toward buying phone cards for our brave fighting men and women. 100%. I'll ask the Admin's to post a link to the auction item so you can bid on it. Below is a link to the thread I started so you may see the note in question, and DU's response to it.
Thank you Major Tim for your honesty, and candid answers to my questions earlier, and thank you for inspiring me to use someone else's hatred and vitriol for the benefit of our soldiers and all Americans. They'll never say I (we)don't support the troops ever again. Because contrary to popular FReeper belief, it takes more than a yellow ribbon on your gas-guzzling SUV to "support our troops" Thanks for listening.

goodboy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3588882
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:23 PM
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1. LOL, what a fine idea!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:24 PM
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2. I'm glad you like it. I think the soldiers will really appreciate it too.
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Robeysays Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 01:07 AM
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135. do you think i can sell mine too? i don't want to be a copy cat.
Edited on Thu May-05-05 01:09 AM by Robeysays
i posted my lovely note on the last thread about your note. ill do a hundred percent for the troops too.

edited to add my note i got on my car:

CHECK YOUR FACTS!!!

If "all" the "billionaires" are for bush - what about theresa heinz kerry(underlined)? she's worth about 350 million $. what about ted kennedy - he's a millionaire. what about almost all of hollywood? brad pitt, whoopi goldberg, steven spielburg, alec baldin, and on and on - all(underlined) millionaires and billionaires. what about ABC, CBS, NBC, all(underlined) billionaire corparations - all gave tens(u) of(u) tousands(u) to kerry(u) not(u) bush.

How about ted turner he's a billionaire - how about progressive insurance co-owner, hes(u) a millionaire how about bill + hillary clinton - millionaires, what of norman lear "people for american way - millionaire the average(u) donation to the republican party - $100.00! the "average to democrats - $ 5,000.00!!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:25 PM
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3. Great idea! Recommended!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:26 PM
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5. Thank you John. Remember to bid if you can! Tell your
"liberal pussy friends" in Canada and France to bid as well!

sarcasm off/
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:25 PM
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4. This is one of the coolest gestures I have ever seen.
Salute to you, patriot goodboy.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:27 PM
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6. Thanks, blm...our soldiers deserve it.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:27 PM
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7. good for you
excellent idea. I need to talk to my repub son-in-law about his recent experience in Iraq. He is a very conservative Rush-type individual so I am not expecting much.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:28 PM
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10. His experience there may be different than my friend, but I doubt
he'd dispute the authenticity of anything Tim said to me today.

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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:27 PM
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8. I hope you send the link to the auction
to the original author:evilgrin:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:30 PM
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13. thought about that...Harold will indirectly support the troops...and also
I filled out requests for elistment forms for his address.

He and his "family" may DIRECTLY support the troops.

If he's a "real american" why doesn't he pick up an m-16 and GO?
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:58 PM
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55. I'm so glad you did that!!
I read that post yesterday and was too pissed off for words. I can't believe people can be so stupid and hateful... but they are.

I hope your auction goes well - great idea. I'll keep an eye out for it!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:28 PM
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64. thank you very much, Blue Belle...(nt)
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:28 PM
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9. Excellent idea!
:kick:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:29 PM
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11. Good post, goodboy
Edited on Wed May-04-05 03:33 PM by EC
I'll be there to bid...no money but I can get things moving...

On edit: It may even make the news and show their hatred and the kind of assholes that support the jerk...especially if the bidding is good...
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:31 PM
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14. Just get it up there. Anything will help! (nt)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:30 PM
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12. Now THAT is a truly supportive gesture for our troops.
YOU! GO! GOODBOY!!!!

:yourock:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:32 PM
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17. thanks Just Me...can I count on your support? (nt)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:36 PM
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24. Be sure to post the link.
I'll do my best!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:31 PM
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15. What really pisses me off
is if you buy a Dell computer or need any credit card support you are talking to India because the wage and line costs are zip...

But ATT and MCI are being allowed to rip off the troops with their phone cards....


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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:32 PM
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19. good point. Tim said that it's really the low pay grade soldiers hit
hardest by it.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:37 PM
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27. Right and see
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:41 PM
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31. wow, that's disgusting. Tim said that the soldiers he was with had
enough toiletries and the like.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:54 PM
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54. Troops over there
but their families are getting "free" food back home....

Remember a lot of wifes do not want to upset their husbands (or the other way around) over in Iraq with money at home problems.


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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:15 PM
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61. yeah
"Remember a lot of wifes do not want to upset their husbands (or the other way around) over in Iraq with money at home problems."

...if they know what's good for them (fundie mentality)

:sarcasm:
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:49 AM
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139. That's unconscionable... but not surprising.
:(
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:31 PM
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16. Awesome idea goodboy! nt
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:34 PM
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21. All I can tell you is, what he said. Were they stationed in the same area
Tim didn't say that they were successful in their attacks on them, but the fact that they're being shelled all the time says enough IMO.

Welcome to DU...
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:37 PM
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25. or two people can see separate things and come up with different thoughts
nt
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:38 PM
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28. what difference does it make if the mortars are fired from a truck bed
or the launcher is unloaded? They're still shooting aren't they?

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:44 PM
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36. they're probably just getting shot at because they want to
Edited on Wed May-04-05 03:44 PM by SlavesandBulldozers
run for political office some day.

ya know, that's what commie-liberal politicians always do they're so sneaky.

:eyes:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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40. That tactic is called 'strategic obfuscation'
not the mortar thing ... the question ... yanno?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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42. oh I know. (nt)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:42 PM
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34. Does your cousin think things are getting better there, or worse?
Just curious.

My son's friends who have been over there tell me that the entire country is in chaos and that the vast majority of Iraqis want U.S. forces to leave right now.

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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41. that sentiment was echoed quite clearly by Tim..they want us out now,
but we can't leave because the country will explode into further violence and civil war than it is now...

and then there's the 14 permanent military bases for the U.S. that we're building there. If we wanted out, wouldn't we build bases for the Iraqis? They're for us, we're not going anywhere.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:46 PM
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71. I say your friend is full of absolute BS
If you have ever fired a mortar you would understand.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:33 PM
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20. This may sound cold
but I do not feel obligated to make anyone's stay over there more comfortable. I feel sorry for them, but I am an unwilling subject residing within their oil empire. I know some of them were duped into this service, but the fewer people volunteer for this sort of $hit in the future, the better off we as a nation will be.

I pray that they don't get their butts blown to smithereens, but as for money, I gave at the office on April 15. And future generations will be giving ... and giving ... and giving.

What a "business plan" for a country. Destroy your own economy, ship the manufacturing to Mexico and Asia and then use the only leverage you have left, military power, to invade a defenseless Middle Eastern nation sitting on lots of oil in hopes you can dictate terms to the countries which have the economic power you used to have.

What is this "10-year contract" jive? We just installed the government ourselves. Is the major saying we signed a 10-year contract with ourselves forcing us to remain there? Maybe they WILL stay there 10 years. That's about how long Vietnam lasted.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:36 PM
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23. I understand what you're saying,
This is really intended to take care of the soldiers that are ALREADY there. If you've been reading DU lately, there are several posts about the Army missing recruitment goals for three months running...so the volunteer part is taking care of itself.

As for the 10 year contract? I don't know any more than what he told me. I was more interested in the soldiers conditions, and the mood of the country over there.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:39 PM
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29. you're not seeing things clearly
how is word of how shitty things are over there going to get out if the people in the shit aren't communicating with their families.

think goddamnit.

what are you waiting for CNN to tell you when the shit hits the fucking fan?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:43 PM
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35. Those are good points, Wright
But I've spoken with many soldiers who signed up to protect our country, and are willing to put their butts on the line for that. That did not, however, sign up to protect chimpy's oil buddies, and many of them are extremely bitter about that. So I'll support the troops that are there (no matter how illegitimately), even though I am and was extremely against the Iraq war.

The government buys $10 million dollar rockets, but can't afford phone cards? Fuck that, I'll buy a couple phone cards and send them over. Even conservatives have family members who they love and cherish and miss, and not speaking to them because of the cheap-ass Bush administration isn't right. The other side tries to politicize the "support our troops" bullshit, but it's not a liberal/conservative thing, it's a human thing.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:50 PM
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48. Its a 10 year contract with Haliburton
to build the bases there
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:04 PM
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128. Exactly
On informationclearinghouse.info they have a documentary with General Clark and they're talking about Iraq and training the troops and according to one of the people who are involved in training, who was also apart of Saddam's old army, said it will take probably about four/five years to train the people properly and this documentary was made in January of 2005 and they showed them building military bases as well and better housing for the people who will be staying there. Of course I think 2005 is just a rough number because they keep getting killed. The only way they're ever going to get anything done is if they start pulling people out of Iraq. Of course I don't expect that to happen soon since Bush and his administration are stubborn assholes.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:34 PM
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22. Great! I'll add phone cards to my list of supplies I collect
I organized a collection drive to send supplies to our troops through my local county party. We're getting good press and the only people calling me are Republicans that want to thank us (the Dems) for doing this.

see article here:
http://www.newtoncitizen.com/RC-Templates/ncnews4.shtml

Thanks for the heads up on phone cards.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:37 PM
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26. Thank you, and keep up the great work you're doing, Ruby.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:06 PM
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129. Nice
Just wondering: are the republicans helping too? Just curious. If they are maybe sometime you can talk in one day having a huge donation drive and send the items as one big group.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:24 AM
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150. I haven't heard from any officials in their local party yet
I know their chairwoman. Believe it or not, we actually get along as long as politics aren't involved. I baked her a pecan pie for Thanksgiving last year and totally didn't even thing about poisoning it :)

In a few months, I would like to expand it to possibly include them, but for now with local politics being how they are in my county, I really want it known that the Dems are the ones putting this together and getting it done. Every single person who comes to our monthly meetings has family or knows someone currently in Iraq and our chairman is a Vietnam Vet. We take our veterans and our current troops well-being very seriously. And we're sick to death of being told we don't love our country because we don't support this war.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:41 PM
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30. great idea!
awesome
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:42 PM
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33. thank you, and remember to look for the link in the next few days.
Edited on Wed May-04-05 03:50 PM by goodboy
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:41 PM
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32. Thanks, goodboy, that's a lovely gesture.
I'm glad you asked those questions and we're able to 'hear' the truth, since this is one of the few ways we'll actually get it. :yourock:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:44 PM
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37. Unfortunately, it is the only way to get the real truth. We'll always
hear, "light at the end of the tunnel" "we're making progress"

"werken hard"


gb
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:44 PM
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38. What an inspiration
You took a totally negative experience and by your reaction to it have turned it into a most beautiful experience. Thank you for reminding all of us that it's up to us to create beauty in an ugly world. :loveya:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:47 PM
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44. absolutely
that's exactly how i feel.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:47 PM
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45. and that good things can come from illiterate hate speech :) thx.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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39. That is a good idea.
Although it's good that you marked out the dude's last name. I hope Ebay accepts it.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:48 PM
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46. I'm not sure what the e-bay policy is, but I'll find a way to work it out.
doesn't e-bay support the troops?
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:52 PM
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51. I am sure they do but you know anything that would prove negative
to Bush(repuke), they may decline. Let us know when it's available to bid. Thanks.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:28 PM
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78. I've never sold anything on e-bay so I'm not sure. I've seen all manner
of crazy shit for sale on there though, so this shouldn't be a big deal.
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:06 PM
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86. Before you list . . .
you really should check with eBay first, and see if it's acceptable and doesn't violate any of their policies. I'd hate to see it get pulled after you've listed.

Use this link:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index.html

When you arrive at the page, highlight each of the following, in each box:

1. Ask about selling or billing (sellers only)
2. Listing and managing your item
3. Is this item allowed or prohibited?

Click CONTINUE, and then from the next page click the "Email Us" link under Customer Support Options. That will take you to an email webform text box. Provide a URL link to the image of the letter, so that they can see it for themselves.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:08 PM
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87. that's great info...thanks, Terre. (nt)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:07 PM
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130. I agree
If they let someone sell a grilled cheese sandwich with the "image" of the virgin Mary and a half-eaten sub sandwich surely they'd sell this.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:46 PM
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43. I just hope we don't have to raise cab fare to the Baghdad airport
Jeeze...$35,000 for a six mile ride.

We'll have to do a bunch of auctions to get our guys out if it comes to that.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:49 PM
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47. Where did I hear that before? (nt)
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:12 PM
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76. Where do they think they are , Disney World???
"Jeeze...$35,000 for a six mile ride."




Just remember always drive to Disney, and for Gawd sakes, don't stay inside "The World"!!!!!
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:51 PM
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49. Goodboy, to quote John Hartford, you're a damn good old boy,
and the e-bay idea is spot-on.

:headbang:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:52 PM
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52. Thanks CT...btw, love your username.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:02 PM
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57. Thanks- Wish I could claim credit, but.....
It's actually the name of a group in Austin, TX.....Clever bastards.
I had to steal it after seeing their sign fly by me on the highway on top of an old van.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:07 PM
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74. it's a band? (nt)
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:41 AM
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145. yup- Never seen them play, but
I might see them soon. They play at metal bars in and around Austin, though I don't know if they play metal.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:51 PM
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50. let us know when your ebay lisitng starts......great idea!!!!!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 03:53 PM
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53. will do. (nt)
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:00 PM
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56. Great Idea!!! ... and a question .........
What's the mood and tone of the troops these days? The only ones we ever see on teevee are the gung ho types .... very obviously hand picked, personally briefed by Rumsferatu and promised riches for speaking the 'king's english' to the deluded masses.

What's the truth? Did your friend say?

Your idea to put that note on ebay is sheer genius! I also recommended this thread.

High praise to you, goodboy .... and tell your friend thanks from me and mine. This late 60's white hat salutes him.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:12 PM
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59. what a hauntingly beautiful and patriotic picture, my friend...
He said he had some in his unit that were pretty gung-ho types. On the whole, he told me that 'gung-ho' shit mostly wears off quickly once they get there and reality hits them. Mostly they are scared but brave. Some of them can't figure out why we're staying there if the Iraqi's don't want us there. He said one soldier went back just to buy up Iraqi money as an investment. He said that once the country is stable the value of that money will most certainly go up. You can get, he said 1,000,000 Iraqi money for around $740.00. If it goes up just .10cents well, you do the math.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:12 PM
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58. Great post!
Kick:kick:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:19 PM
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63. I really appreciate it, NoSheep. (nt)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:12 PM
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60. Excellent... Simply Excellent !!!
:yourock:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:19 PM
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62. thank you WillyT...remember to look for the auction item. (nt)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:10 PM
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131. The picture
of the old guy in Iraq makes me sad. :cry: He shouldn't be there but enjoying his golden years with his family. I wonder if he's still a live.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:28 PM
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65. Wonderful idea & what a great post!
Thank you for sharing with us what Major Tim shared with you.

:patriot: We have to get out of there - screw the bases!

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:34 PM
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66. wow merh, thanks. As for the bases, well
Edited on Wed May-04-05 04:34 PM by goodboy
we're committed to building them now. Until the our country gets it's conscience back we'll have to keep our soldiers there. Also, we were the ones who destroyed their infrastructure and we owe it to those poor people to fix it, and we owe it to them to provide security until the Iraqis can take over. It took 58,226 dead soldiers before we woke up from the Vietnam nightmare.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:43 PM
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70. How are we committed?
Bases are necessary, the jobs have to be contracted, we should allow the UN & NATO to put out the bids to let other nations (or corporations in other nations) have the option to build the bases.

We can fund the efforts, but it is not our place to colonize this nation. WE MUST GET OUT, NOW! Allow them to set up their own government, let the UN & NATO set up the peace keeping forces, but keep our noses out of their business. If the majority of the people want a government like Irans, then that is their business.

"It took 58,226 dead soldiers before we woke up from the Vietnam nightmare." HOW MANY DEAD SOLDIERS BEFORE WE WAKE UP!




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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:56 PM
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72. Tim said we're in contract, and that's about all I know, but you should
know that I absolutely agree with you.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:09 PM
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75. Yeah, we are in contract, with the cronies that the
weed-that-would-be-king has chosen to enrich at the expense of the Iraqi's and our soldiers.

There is no contract or committment more important than the committment to our soldiers. They did not sign on to defend this nation only to be put in harms way trying to colonize another sovereign nation.

Why is it our committment to our soldiers means diddly squat, but the committment to build bases has such a priority and is so damned important?

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:14 PM
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77. Right on, Merh.,..and when you say
"Why is it our committment to our soldiers means diddly squat, but the committment to build bases has such a priority and is so damned important?"

I assume that's a rhetorical question.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:34 PM
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79. Yes, it was rhetorical.
The weed-that-would-be-king uses big words to defend his crimes, but forgets their meaning or importance when it comes to applying them to our soldiers and our citizens.

Evil, evil people. I pray for Major Tim. You know he will have trouble sleeping for years, if not the rest of his life. :patriot: He is the patriot, not the clown-n-chief. :hug: Hugs for Major Tim. :hug:

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:34 PM
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67. what a great idea!
keep us posted on the auction
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:35 PM
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68. I certainly will. Thanks for reading this, Yorkiemommie1. (nt)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:36 PM
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69. What a great idea!
:D
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 04:56 PM
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73. thx...remember to look for the link to the auction item...(nt)
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:35 PM
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80. sounds like the Major was at Anaconda...
Edited on Wed May-04-05 05:36 PM by Az_lefty
I was there in 03' and there were a lot of mortar attacks. It just got worse as time went on. The phone cards are a real good idea. It is the lower ranking soldiers that can't afford to call home and their usually the ones with the most problems to deal with.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:38 PM
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81. I don't know...I'll ask him. But it sounds like you experienced much
the same thing?

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:49 PM
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83. Pretty much the same...
I was in a Trans company in Southern Iraq hauling fuel to the bases up north (Anaconda, BIAP, Elm, Fallujah) we pretty much got to see it all.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:17 PM
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92. wow. Is it true that hauling fuel is especially dangerous due to the
length of the convoy's?

Did you notice if vehicles were up-armored?

Were you provided a bullet-resistant vest with the plate?


How was morale in your unit?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:48 AM
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147. And the lower-ranking ones are more likely to
tell their families what's REALLY going on there.

I'm just sayin'.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:46 PM
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82. Phone cards..Who do I send 'em to?
That's kind of ironic.
After 11 September, I joined an organization called Military Affiliate Radio System (you old-timers remember the MARS stations, right?)

Just because I KNEW we were going someplace and our troops would need a way to communicate with home.

Our "mission" consists of endless training for impossible scenarios of natural disasters and terra-ist acts. I'm so disgusted I've gone inactive, and hardly a week goes by that I don't comptemplate resigning from all this Rumsferatu-Rah-Rah.

What about all the "Morale Traffic" I was anticipating? the official explanation is that everyone has Email and cheap telephones available to them, so phone patches and written messages aren't needed.

I'll send phone cards. maybe I can help after all.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:11 PM
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88. You most certainly can help. Find a military family organization
or something, and send those phone cards.


gb
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 05:49 PM
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84. Today's NPR's All Things Considered said the insurgency attacks are fairly
well coordinated, and that most suicide bombers appear to be jihadists from Saudi Arabia, in Iraq because the coalition didn't secure the borders (thanks again for trying to run the whole war, Rumsfailed).

Thanks for the post. The Major's story needs to be on the news every day until the troops come home.

Bush needs to be prosecuted for destroying a sovereign nation.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:40 PM
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109. along with a certain nation in north america....
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:00 PM
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85. troops
awesome idea, email me if i can help in anyway

I am so TIRED of seeing those ridiculous phony yellow ribbons
on cars saying support our troops

PHony patriots
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:14 PM
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90. Thank you for offering your help, I'll get in touch with you soon...p.s.
How many soldiers per gallon do you think those SUV's get anyway?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:52 PM
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96. troops
I sell travel for a living and have helped a few troops and family
get fantastic rates to fly either to or from the Middle East.

I cant stand Stupid Utility Vehicles they are just ego machines
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:32 PM
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100. sweet
what a patriotic thing to do!

Here's a little thing I do: If I see an SUV with a bush sticker on it, I write in Sharpie the current US death toll in Iraq right on the sticker.


That sticker will be gone in no time.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:12 PM
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89. The ebay idea
That's a fantastic idea about selling that note on Ebay. Be sure to post the link here so we can forward it to people.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:15 PM
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91. I'm hoping the Admins. will pin up a link to the item on the homepage
as well as pin it up in the forums.


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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:21 PM
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93. Great post, goodboy!
I'm so glad Major Tim is home safe and sound. A 10 year commitment to build bases....funny how the Pentagon hasn't released that tidbit of info. :grr: I love getting first hand accounts from soldiers. Who better to tell us the TRUTH of what's REALLY going on?
Thanks for the post! :hi: Auctioning off your freeper note is a grand idea! I hope you get a TON of bids and make a bunch of $$$$$ for phone cards. :bounce:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:23 PM
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94. I'd love to be able to send 1 phone card to an entire unit...
I can dream I guess, but you never know. The HOLY grilled cheese sammich got what? 20K?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:39 PM
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95. Yes it did and who knows?
there may be a very wealthy LIBERAL who detests freepers and will be willing to buy some phone cards for our troops. Make sure to add that fact to your EBAY ad..."The proceeds from this sale will be used to buy phone cards for our troops." You'll get a TON of bids from Liberals! Lots 0f Luck!

In fact...I would put that in my ad TITLE (phone cards for US troops)! It would get more attention. Just a suggestion. ;)
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:17 PM
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98. the title is a great selection...in fact I'd like to challenge DU'ers to
write an item description for me.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 06:56 PM
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97. Excellent post! Thank you very much!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:30 PM
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99. Thank you, MLD...I quite enjoy reading your work as well! (nt)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:33 PM
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101. EEEWWW Now Dat's an ider son! I say son, dat's an ider!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:39 PM
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102. I'll learn dem FReepers reel guud. I'll learn 'em to mess with a
librul murikan.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:44 PM
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104. LOL! too cute.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:14 PM
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106. Win yu go win up air two Ohiya? Daz werez I's frum. (nt)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:15 PM
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163. You all stop dat now ya hear???? You all know I'd be pick'n
up trash on side of da hw if I were fitt'n ta go to dat der Ohieee! Still want to know about the cute cigar smoker though! So come on and let the info rip!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 07:42 PM
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103. I recommend Kroger's Phone Cards
3.5 cents a minute, before tax. 1000 minutes to start, and renewable.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:11 PM
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105. SDI has some pretty good ones...my wife uses them to call Estonia
and she get's about 1 hour for 5 dollars! The Kroger one's in the past have really short-changed her, but maybe it's because of the area she's calling. I will absolutely get as many cards with as many minutes as I possibly can. I'll talk to a phone card company and see if they'd be willing to sell them to me at a discount.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:53 AM
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140. When negotiating w/the phone card company, maybe you could offer ...
them some free advertising (eBay reaches ALOT of people) by telling them you will add their phone card name, logo, or whatever to the auction ad (maybe need to get price in writing, though?). That ought to be worth some fat goodwill/discounting? Big name companies do co-op advertising all the time, this would be similar to accepted practices. If the auction gets any kind of media coverage (which I suspect it WILL) this is really big exposure for the phone card outfit that decides to play ball w/you! Negotiate HARD!

And ... congratulations to you - I love to see someone turn lemons to lemonade. Pfffft to Harold (the freeper?), this oughta make him pucker!
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:19 PM
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107. This is a perfect......If life gives you lemons
make lemonade idea. Good for you!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:27 PM
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108. thank you, and I hope I can count on you to bid, democrank..(nt)
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:54 PM
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110. Which Are The Cards That Are Good Over There ? ? ?
I had this discussion on another board , before anyone buys any cards find out what cards work there..
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:11 PM
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112. I've thought about this, SDI does really well with international rates
and I'll call them, and some of the other providers to make sure that

1. The cards will work calling from Iraq ot US

2. We're getting as many minutes as possible for each card that is purchased using these funds.
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:18 PM
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113. The right Phone Cards

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2004/n04302004_200404309.html
AAFES Supports Deployed Troops With Public Phone Card Sales

By Sgt. 1st Class Doug Sample, USA
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, April 30, 2004 -- The Defense Department has granted approval for the Army and Air Force Exchange Service to sell prepaid phone cards to the general public for donation to Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom service members.

<>

Those wishing to purchase the cards can log on to the site and click on the "Help Our Troops Call Home" icon. The cards can be designated for an individual service member, or sent to "any service member" and distributed by the American Red Cross.

Frost said phone cards also can be donated to the Air Force Aid Society and Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society, as well as the Fisher House. All are nonprofit charitable organizations that support service members and their families in need.

AAFES officials said most calls from the Middle East to the United States originate from one of their 54 calls centers. AAFES has four phone centers in Afghanistan with 98 phones in operation, 19 in Kuwait with 571 phones, and 31 in Iraq, with 936 phones.



"So when Americans buy the cards, they are helping troops in two ways: They're connecting them to home, and they're contributing to morale, welfare and recreation programs."

Related Site:
Army and Air Force Exchange Service

http://www.aafes.com/

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

There is also this site:

http://www.operationuplink.org/




Operation Uplink is a unique program that keeps military personnel and hospitalized veterans in touch with their families and loved ones by providing them with a free phone card. Using contributions from supporters like you, Operation Uplink purchases phone cards and distributes them to servicemen and women who are separated from those they care about.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:23 PM
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114. Are these the cards the DoD contracts with AT&T or MCI? IF so
I'll not touch them. Tim says they rip soldiers off, and I'm inclined to believe him...


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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:27 PM
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117. Ask your buddy what cards work there and how to distribute them
if the at&t and MCI are the ONLY ones that will work , they may be a rip off but you have no choice if it's phone cards you want to give.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:15 PM
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119. I'm going to call him tomorrow and find out for sure. I want this to
work perfectly for our soldiers.
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:08 AM
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137. FYI CARDS

AT&T phone cards may be a rip off? but this is what they sell. Are there better cards that will work from THERE to here I don't know

http://www.aafes.com/
The Army and Air Force Exchange Service (AAFES) website is an unofficial Department of Defense (DoD)
website published and maintained by AAFES with non-appropriated funds



https://thor.aafes.com/scs/info/faq_550.aspx

Q: What is the difference if I send a loved one an AT&T prepaid card purchased from another retailer?
Although AT&T phone cards are available at several domestic retailers, they do not offer the best value when placing international calls to the U.S as compared to the AT&T Military Exchange 550 and 200 Unit Global Prepaid Phone Card.

Prepaid phone cards are generally designed and marketed for use only within the 48 contiguous states by other retailers as the cards are generally sold for domestic use. Domestic retailers do not target nor negotiate low international calling rates to the U.S. Therefore, they set international prices higher, as their target market is domestic. Service members may be sent prepaid calling cards from home or provided pro bono prepaid cards from private organizations; however, the Military Exchange does not control the negotiated rates for these products and rates may be significantly higher as well as incur connection or other hidden fees. Additionally, other payment options are available when placing calls such as telephone calling cards, commercial credit cards, and collect calls. Using these products when placing calls from Iraq will be significantly higher and rates vary for each product. Telephone calling cards may include unforeseen charges, connection and service fees. Using the 550 and 200 Unit Global Military Exchange Prepaid Card offers the troops the best value when calling from OEF/OIF back to the U.S as they do not carry any hidden charges, connection fees and the minutes do not expire.


Q: What if my family or friends want to recharge minutes on my prepaid card?
Friends and family back home can "recharge" minutes to a deployed soldier's prepaid card. Simply have the deployed soldier provide you with the 800 number and pin number located on the back of the prepaid card. Then simply call the 800 number and follow the voice prompts to add minutes.

https://thor.aafes.com/scs/default.aspx
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:00 PM
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111. I'll bid...
keeping my eyes peeled for a link until then...
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:23 PM
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115. I'll try to get this together by Monday. Thank you! (nt)
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 09:27 PM
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116. Excellent action, goodboy! Take the evil and turn it to good! n/m
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:10 PM
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118. ebay auctions
:hi: goodboy! i think your idea to auction your nastygram is a very inspired idea - i am pretty sure you will get some attention!

i am an experienced ebay seller, and just a couple of things you should know -

1) start the auction at $9.99 not $10. the fee for listing at $9.99 is $.35 it goes up to $.60 at $10. not a huge monetary difference, i know, but you want as much money to go toward phone cards as possible. (i would also suggest that in your listing you state that all profit after fees goes to phone cards. the higher your bids go, the higher your ebay fee will be.)

2) you will have to block the "pussy" references from the letter. ebay is pretty strict about what is appropriate to list. i know that there are many listings on ebay right now that violate their own rules, but - the only way an auction gets removed is if it is reported by another ebay member, and i think there are enough freeper types on ebay that if you do not follow the rules to a T, will happily report your auction. (addendum to this - even if your auction follows all rules, you can still get reported, and ebay staff will often remove a listing just because it was reported. should this happen to you, you can contact ebay and appeal - if you did not violate any listing policies, you can relist the auction. save a copy on your hard drive, just in case.)

3) ebay has strict guidelines for charity auctions - read here http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html . i am not familiar with the details, but be sure you know and follow all the rules.

4) anyone who bids on your auction can "pull your contact information" thru ebay.

5) your auction title will be the most important part of your listing - you will want to use the correct words (55 characters) to ensure that your auction gets the most possible attention. you will want to be careful not to use keywords that will draw only the wrong types of potential bidders (people who will try to mess with your listing).

6) for a listing such as this, i would also suggest displaying the questions and responses on the auction listing.

good luck! i'll be watching for your auction! you can PM me if you have any questions about ebay stuff. i'm already thinking, "gee...what would be the best possible title for this listing...." ;-)
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:18 PM
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120. Great advice! Thank you for reading this post, and sharing your
knowledge...check your PM's

ALSO! DU'ers! Come up with a creative title and description for this item!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:18 PM
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121. What a wonderful idea you have! Be sure to tell Will Pitt and the blogs
maybe they will spread the word. It points up both the kind of vicious blind hate we're dealing with and also where care is really needed - and then uses one for the other!
:thumbsup:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:23 PM
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122. How about Air America Radio? I could email the shows and ask for
support. I'm sure they'd be excited to participate in this.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:38 PM
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123. Why not? What's to be lost by trying? It's a great story.
And try Keith Olbermann on MSNBC too:

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

I don't know if his email server filters out emails with attached photos - you might want to send it with the link you used to show it in this thread.

This is a great idea, and the discussion you had with your military acquaintance is great too. Go for it!
:thumbsup:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:42 PM
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124. I've got Nothing Without Hope I guess...I hope this works for the
troops.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:56 PM
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126. LOL! And you might want to contact these two blogs as well as the more
common ones like Kos.

Democratic Veteran:
blog URL: http://www.usndemvet.com/blog
email: usndemvet@hotmail.com or jofish@usndemvet.com

Jesus' General:
(This is a satirical site that is watched by a lot of people. It's the source of Republican Jesus cartoons and much withering sarcasm. There is a strong sense of outrage against bigots of all kinds at this site. I think he might like your story and might show the letter too. He's a good guy.)
blog URL: http://patriotboy.blogspot.com
email (I THINK this is it - check the site and see if you can find anything different): jcchristian@charter.net

To give you an idea where Jesus' General is coming from, here's the most recent Republican Jesus - there are older ones that are favorites of mine. He really hates hypocrisy, cruelty and bigotry of all kinds.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:54 PM
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125. Thanks for the report
Thank you for sharing the report. I doubt too that they have any recruitments like they're telling us. The only way that's going to happen is if we fucking leave or take them out of the country. Isn't that what Kerry wanted to do (take them to another country to train)?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 10:58 PM
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127. They need to be trained out of country where its safe. I know that
sounds weird--train soldiers for an incredibly dangerous job--in another country because their country is too dangerous.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:11 PM
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132. I wanted to make sure you had seen this recent DU post
It's by someone who was confronted by someone with a similar point of view as the writer of your anonymous note. You'll enjoy reading what happened:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3526478
Thread title: I was called a "Coward Liberal" today

Your idea of using the hateful fool's own note in this way is truly poetic as well as a way to spread important awareness and raise money for a vital cause.
:yourock:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:22 PM
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133. I saw it...didn't get a chance to post in it, but it's a great thread. thx
for reminding us all. This shit happens all the time.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 12:26 AM
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134. You REALLY need to contact Will Pitt - READ THIS
I got this in an email from MobilizeBoston today. By DU rules, if a piece of writing has been disseminated by an email, the copyright rules don't apply since the intent is to spread the message widely. Read this and you will see why I believe Will Pitt will respond to your story. (I think others will, too.)

Hello All,
Those of you who attended the Dahr Jamail event know that Will Pitt, who introduced Dahr was heckled. This is what he wrote about the incident. I think it is well worth reading, even if you weren't there, because it talks about that terrible phenomena we deal with all the time - progressives attacking each other. Food for thought...

Stand Up Next to a Mountain
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday May 03 2005

Don't let me change my heart,
Keep me set apart
From all the plans they do pursue.
And I, I don't mind the pain,
Don't mind the driving rain.
I know I will sustain
'Cause I believe in you.

- Bob Dylan, 'I Believe in You'

An interesting thing happened to me last week. I got heckled while giving a speech. Now, don't get me wrong, I've been heckled before. I've given speeches in most of the Red States across the country, and have gotten quite adept at the call-and-raise verbal jousting required when addressing an unfriendly crowd. I've been heckled by irate conservatives in Texas, in Montana, in North Carolina, in Colorado, in Arizona. I've been called a Socialist, a Communist, a Fascist, and a Communist Fascist, my own personal favorite. It's actually fun once you get used to it.

Last week was a different thing, however. I got heckled by people on the Left.

I was there to introduce Dahr Jamail, the reporter who is pretty much the only reason we really know what is happening in Iraq. In my talk, I adamantly stated that we have to get American forces out of Iraq, and went into a detailed plan on how that might be done. In the front row were two white guys with Palestinian scarves wrapped around their necks. As I laid out the plan, careful to say at the outset that this was not 'the' plan but 'a' plan, the guy on the left yelled, "Get off the stage with your pro-war (expletive)." His friend wadded up the program for the evening and threw it at me.

As I said, I enjoy hecklers. I find it personally satisfying to leave little pieces of them hanging from the rafters. This, however, was a whole different thing. In the second after the expletive and the program went sailing past me, I thought: "I wrote a book six months before the war started saying there were no weapons in Iraq and no reason to go to war there; I've written probably half a million words since then to reinforce that truth; I worked for Dennis Kucinich on his Presidential campaign and pushed that message there; I've traveled nearly 200,000 miles to rally people against the war; I've cashiered a good portion of my health and sanity in the process; finally, I believe with all my heart and soul that we have to get the hell out of Iraq. Pro-war?"

For the first time since I started speaking publicly about this stuff, I was gape-mouthed and silent. The hecklers got me. I staggered through the rest of my speech, introduced Jamail, and scuttled off the stage like a whipped cur. The little resume review that flashed through my mind was not some personal ego-reinforcement, and I didn't feel any outrage about the whole thing until later. I was genuinely confused and hurt.

A day or so later, I was able to slot that odd and disheartening experience into a larger picture. When all was said and done, it didn't surprise me. The Lefty hecklers were part of a much broader phenomenon taking place within the ranks of liberals and progressives all across the country. To put it bluntly, the Left is in the process of eating itself. I've been watching it happen over the last few months. At meetings, at rallies, in online forums, via email, and among friends and family, the Left is tearing itself apart.

The war issue is causing a good portion of this. The reason those guys heckled me, for one example, was because I think 'Out Now!' makes a great slogan but isn't nearly enough of an actual plan to get the job done, and thanks to Bush & Co, 'Out Now!' is a pipe dream regardless. They disagreed, vehemently it seemed, and because I tried to go beyond slogans to an actual plan for exiting Iraq, I was somehow empowering the war machine.

The war, however, is not the only issue dividing the Left. A good portion of the splintering that is taking places stems from a lingering election hangover. Those who backed someone besides Kerry are bitter because they think their candidate would have won, those who backed Kerry are bitter at those who attack him and are likewise bitter at Kerry for the blunders he made in his campaign, those who do not cleave to the Democratic Party are bitter because they see the Democrats as little more than the pro-choice wing of the Republican Party, and even that distinction is getting muddied.

The root of the infighting, however, is deeper. Beyond the candidate/party squabbling is the feeling that no matter who the candidate may be, the system itself is broken because elections are now controlled by GOP-allied corporations and easily-rigged voting machines. Beyond that is the corporate media, with its 24-hour distraction machine pumping out raw sewage by the long ton while toeing the line for the status quo. Scandals that would have caused previous Presidents to be impeached, imprisoned and then impeached again wither by the side of the road on an almost daily basis.

Beyond the media is the bleak reality that some of the worst people this country has ever seen now control the White House, Congress, a fair chunk of the Judiciary, the Justice Department and the Pentagon. Combine that with the sense that elections cannot dislodge them because the game is fixed, and further add the fact that a majority of the American people have been made snowblind by the gibberish pouring forth from the media, which protects the powerful from the consequences of the truth.

The Left is appalled, disgusted, horrified and deeply, deeply frustrated. Right now, the Left feels like it is facing a fortified bunker armed with a slingshot and some small pebbles. Faced with this apparently unassailable foe, and filled with the desire to do something, anything to move the pile, people on the Left are doing the only thing that seems available: They are kicking the crap out of each other. That frustration, that woe, that horror and rage require an outlet somewhere.

I don't have any solutions for this. Being contrarian, being an island-unto-self, is one of the hallmarks of people on the Left. Permit me a poor analogy: Folks on the Left are like cats. They are loveable, affectionate, strong and independent-minded. They are also pointy on five out of six sides and liable to use their claws at strange and seemingly random moments. It has always been this way and will always be this way, and it cannot and should not be otherwise. Combine that with the thundering frustrations that have accumulated over the last months and years, and the outcome is predictable.

I don't have a solution for this, but I do have a story.

Those familiar with the fight against electronic touch-screen voting machines will know the name Andy Stephenson. Andy has spent the last several years traveling from hoot to holler and back to hoot again, trying to inform people of the dangers these machines pose to the fundamental principles of participatory democracy. He even ran for Secretary of State in Washington using this issue as the basis of his platform.

A few weeks ago, Andy was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, one of the more dangerous varieties of the disease. His doctors told him he needed a Whipple procedure to get at the tumor, and only a few hospitals in America can perform this complicated procedure with the required competence. To compound the problem, Andy shares the plight of millions of others in our disgusting for-profit health care system and does not have health insurance.

A friend with connections was able to get him a slot at Johns Hopkins, one of the premier medical facilities in America that specializes in Whipple procedures. Johns Hopkins, however, required a $25,000 down-payment before they would let Andy onto an operating table. Furthermore, they required the payment immediately, and wanted another $25,000 once the surgery was done. Andy and his friends spiraled into despair as they faced this seemingly insurmountable obstacle.

And then, something remarkable happened. Friends of Andy posted the details of his plight on a few Left-leaning websites. Left-wing talk-show hosts Mike Malloy and Thom Hartmann filled their listeners in on the situation. Donations for Andy started to come in, and then pour in, and then flood in. People without jobs, and themselves without health insurance, raided their piggy banks.

Within 100 hours, Andy Stephenson had the $25,000 down-payment he needed to save his life. It came as nickels, as dimes, as dollar bills, but it came.

The moral? That which unites the Left is far, far greater than that which divides them. Yes, there are seemingly insurmountable obstacles standing in the way. Yes, frustration and despair are rampant. Yet when the righteousness, passion and strength of the Left are combined, they can stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of their hand.

Remember that.

William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know and The Greatest Sedition Is Silence. Join the discussions at his blog forum.
PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED!

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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:53 AM
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136. kick
:kick:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:39 AM
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138. Make sure you post a link to your Ebay auction
Edited on Thu May-05-05 03:41 AM by rucky
I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket. not much, but if I don't win the auction, I'll buy phone cards for what I bid.
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Robworld Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:47 AM
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141. Great job
It seems like the only way to learn about what is going on in Iraq,
is to speak to the soldiers who were actually there.
Except for some American casualties mentioned on the mainstream media, we the people are not being told what is actually going on over there.

http://www.dumdumgoestothecircus.com/
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:05 AM
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142. Why the hell does the media not report this?
Why do we hear nothing of this very serious, eye-opening situation? Why are we endlessly subjected to runaway brides, American Idol scandals, pop-star perverts, ad infinitum/ad nauseum?

WHY?

(I know why already, and the reasons only make me more angry: WHY?)

:banghead: :grr: :mad:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:11 AM
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158. I share your anger and frustration. Here's where I get my info from
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 01:35 PM
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162. Thanks for sharing that site! Informative AND chilling!
Interesting to note that the month with the worst casualty and injury rates was Nov, 2004. Seems there was something else important going on that month, but now I can't remember what it was... (:sarcasm:)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:21 AM
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143. Absolutely wonderful idea.
I will certainly support you by bidding. Need info. Thanks.

Peace
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:36 AM
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144. Where would one send a few phone cards
if one were to send them to soldiers/marines in Iraq?
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sharonking21 Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:38 AM
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151. A good place to go to find individuals
to send phone cards to is this one:

http://anysoldier.com/index.cfm

Go to the "Where to send" portion and you will find lists and lists of soldiers, marines, sailors who want either phone cards, letters, or other things. There is a search function on this page--just type in "phone card".

I've been using this site to send letters and packages to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Dems in my precinct got together and brought stuff to send. I am packing it up and paying the postage and writing the letters, etc. Mainly we have been sending to a medical unit near Tikrit, but also about 5-6 other individuals who wanted some specific things that the Dems brought to my house.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:50 AM
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154. Great! Thanks!
I've been looking for some concrete thing to do for the folks overseas.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:43 AM
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146. Wow.
You just rock hard. That is a GREAT idea!!!!! I will certainly be bidding on that.

I've been telling people about phone cards for two years now. I've sent maybe 25 of them, but I wish I could send more.

He's right--a lifeline to a loved one's voice is VITAL to those soldiers. Sometimes it's the only thing keeping them going.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:49 AM
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153. thx. I'm trying to work out the particulars, it seems ebay is pretty
strict with their charity auction protocols. Unfortunately since trolls have picked up on this story, there's nothing stopping them from complaining about the item until it's pulled. I've got some good friends helping me, though and I'll make it work somehow.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:59 AM
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148. I want to send phone cards no matter what - maybe sell copies?
You could sell several copies of the letter to get more phone cards - maybe there should be a clearing house where people can buy the cards and they will be properly distributed to the soldiers who need them most...
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:45 AM
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152. I've thought about this, I wonder if the proceeds from the sale can be
held in escrow by an agent of the particular charity who'll purchase the cards for the soldiers?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:04 AM
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160. Yeah, I wonder how you go about setting somehing like that up?
The point is getting the cards to the soldiers who need them - knowing our ass-hole government would do anything to prevent the soldiers from being even remotely happy...

There must be a trustworthy organization who can do this sort of thing...
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:05 AM
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149. It's a great idea and thanks for doing this
Edited on Thu May-05-05 09:06 AM by MadisonProgressive
But I keep thinking that a sole winner may not have to cough up all that much money to win. Here is my plan:

Let's raise a DU collection for phone cards, then have DU bid and win on Ebay with hopefully thousands of dollars. Get some recognition from the media that this nefarious underground organization of liberals against the war will be sending hundreds or thousands of phone cards to the troop - in leiu of yellow ribbins on our hybrids.

What a coup would that be to get national media exposure at the expense of a coward freeper!

Anyone else with me??????
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:51 AM
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155. great idea, and we may have to do that because I know
trolls have picked up this story. They'll complain enough to get my item pulled. I'm working on it though.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:56 AM
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156. Do you have a link to the ebay ad? I'd like to see it.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:06 AM
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157. There's a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo when you auction an item for
charity. I haven't put it up for auction yet because I haven't worked out all the details. I will get you the link as soon as i've put it up, I promise.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:26 AM
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159. Great idea Goodboy, let us know when the auction is up on Ebay and I
will certainly bid for that cause.
Depressing news that we might be there at least another 10 years.
:grr: :scared:
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:13 AM
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161. The idea that soldiers are getting screwed...
...over the cost of calls home is too repulsive to even think about.

I wonder if the likes of Franks, Sanchez and the rest pay for their calls home? I fucking doubt it.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:41 PM
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166. I was shocked...
when my son went to Iraq the first time.being naive,I assumed there was some way for those kids to call home.many of them share their cards with other soldiers(when they actually DO get a chance to call).I know better now-he just went back for the second time,and I sent a $250.00 card with him.Thanks,everybody,for what you are doing.There are a lot of KIDS there with little resources,trying to take care of a family in the states and scrape by over there.You'll make a lot of moms sleep a little easier when the hear their baby's voice...
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:18 PM
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164. First, thanks for posting the conversation.
Second, the Ebay idea rocks.

Ebay may want to pull it. I dunno. Does not mean you can't put it back on. You should scan the letter, and obscure the profanity so that it is not sequestered to Ebay Adult. Please keep us advised.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:30 PM
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165. thank you so much for posting this
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:47 PM
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167. cool
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SkipNewarkDE Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:28 PM
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168. If we want to send care packages to soldiers, whom do we go through?
Any suggestions?

I'm "seeing" a soldier at this time (don't ask don't tell - one tough little son of bitch though) who recently came back, and is getting out of services. He was in Iraq and just shakes his head in disgust if it is ever brought up. Because of the sensitive nature of his deployment, he can't discuss much.


But he said to me that quite frankly he is just tired of killing people, and thinks it is senseless.

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