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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:29 PM
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A New Memo-gate? Knight Ridder Covers Leaked British Document That Dispute
Edited on Fri May-06-05 09:31 PM by sabra
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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000912159

A New Memo-gate? Knight Ridder Covers Leaked British Document That Disputes Bush Claims on Iraq

By E&P Staff

Published: May 06, 2005 4:30 PM ET

NEW YORK For much of the week, much of the U.S. press paid little attention to the highly classified British memo, leaked to a British newspaper, which seems to reveal that President Bush decided by summer 2002 to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy.

That changed on Friday, when Knight Ridder circulated a lengthy report on the memo by Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott.

The memo was first disclosed earlier this week by the Sunday Times of London. It has not been disavowed by the British government. A White House official told Knight Ridder that the administration wouldn't comment on the leaked document.

.....

Strobel and Wolcott noted that the White House has repeatedly denied accusations by top foreign officials that intelligence estimates were manipulated.
But they report that a former senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, called it "an absolutely accurate description of what transpired" during Dearlove's visit to Washington.

edit: link added
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This one better stick... at least I hope so!


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:31 PM
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1. LINK???
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:33 PM
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3. oops. link added.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:38 PM
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5. Thank you.
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:32 PM
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2. please link
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:36 PM
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4. Memo and comment
Conspiracy to commit fraud should about do it. Should, that is. Surely, such behavior is an impeachable offense if committed by a sitting president, particularly when it was known that an invasion, by fraud, would result in fatalities. On a global scale, this is the reason the Hague Tribunal exists.

But, does anyone care beyond those of us who already suspected a crime had been committed with the '03 invasion of Iraq; that the OSP, working not entirely for U.S. interests, was busy churning out false information to support an otherwise illegal invasion; and that frontmen like Cheney had schemed with others in the energy industry to grab the oil of Iraq long before the first grunts' boot touched soil?






Motive and opportunity, anyone?

The Republican House will most definitely turn a selective cheek. Mainstream news has already been bribed with tax breaks. And a fair sized and very vocal chunk of deluded fundies will do most anything Master wants.





The Pimp and the Touchscreen Jihad

And, look right here: Are there not actual true believers who stubbornly cling to a belief system founded upon dishonesty and an end justifies the means perspective?

Is this not wrong on it's face?

The Republican Party has lots of history to rewrite if the memo below is genuine.

Stephen Pitt


From:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0

We get the text of the original memo:


SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised th


e intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad US options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:

(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.

(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.

(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.

John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.

(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)

MATTHEW RYCROFT
----

Yours,

Stephen
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:48 PM
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8. kick
kick
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:15 PM
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10. They seem to be very concerned about the legal ramifications...
They mention the Attorney General twice in this memo: (John Ashcroft, I presume?)

"The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change."

and


"(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers."

==============================================

So they knew it was illegal as hell?
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:40 PM
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11. No. "The Attorney General"
refers to the Attorney General of the UK.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:08 AM
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13. No.
They are talking about the British attorney-general, Lord Goldsmith, I believe.
I quote:

British Attorney General Peter Goldsmith had warned Prime Minister Tony Blair that the Iraq conflict ‘could be illegal’.

. . .
The paper claims to list six "caveats" that were stripped from a summary of the advice published 10 days later on the eve of a crucial parliamentary debate on the war.

They reportedly included warnings that only the United Nations could judge whether Saddam Hussein had defied its order to disarm and that Mr Blair could not rely on the American position that the war was legal.
. . .

The Attorney General's office refused to comment directly on the new disclosures, and repeated its insistence that Lord Goldsmith had not bowed to political pressure to change his views. His spokeswoman said: "The Attorney General presented his view to Cabinet on 17 March 2003 that military action in Iraq would be lawful”.

http://www.geo.tv/main_files/world.aspx?id=74497
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calzone Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:43 PM
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6. Case dismissed
Edited on Fri May-06-05 09:45 PM by calzone
It can't be true because the White house has denied it.
What's truly amazing is that there's someone named "Dearlove".
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:47 PM
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7. Here's the Knight-Ridder article.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11574296.htm


British memo indicates Bush made intelligence fit Iraq policy

By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush decided to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy.

The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisers, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service.

The visit took place while the Bush administration was still declaring to the American public that no decision had been made to go to war.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:59 PM
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9. Kick!
:kick:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 10:41 PM
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12. kick
one time
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:13 AM
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14. hmmm....former senior U.S. official = Powell?
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