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strizi64 Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:13 AM
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Hey America, what's going on?
Where's the outrage, where are the calls for an impeachment, what's up with America? I don't get it and I'm not the only one over here in Europe. Clinton lied about sex, ok. It's realy not good to lie in front of millions on TV. But, didn't Bush did the same but many times more? Not a single WMD ever was discovered, no one see's a progress expect your Administration, nothing to see like "freedom is on the march". No outrage about high Gasolineprizes even now as they are higher as they ever have been under Clinton. I stll got good friends over there and I'm sure, I will visit that beautiful country once again like I had many times before. But not as long as this Administration is in charge, not as long as Patriotic Act II lives on. No chance. Period. Tell me, what's up?

(sorry if there are some mistakes, my english is far from perfect...)

striz:popcorn:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:25 AM
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1. Many of us feel the same as you....
But propaganda is not an easy enemy...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:27 AM
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2. the US is in a state of decline.
neo-conservation, marching shoulder to shoulder with neo-liberalism, are leading this country in a downward spiral.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:51 AM
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4. And it's accelerating now. My newsfeeds are going crazy, just 1 thing
after another. Iraq. Burma.

And by the very public very hard rhetoric against bush coming out of Europe, ie Putin, El B., etc I suspect Europe has reached a conclusion.
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astonamous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:48 AM
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3. It's the lack of information...
Not one Mainstream Media source has mentioned the http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html "secret memo"
that I know of. Although, I wouldn't expect that most Americans would pay much attention to that information, anyway. I think that it would get some air-time if they could incorporate it into American Idol TV show. Besides, we were so wrapped up in the big news story of the week...The Runaway Bride. I posted the same link, along with a link to the original article, on another website and the response was..."Wow, what a great conspiracy theory". WTF?

Heaven help us!

`astonamous
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:54 AM
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5. Democrats have to figure out how to make this a long-running play
rather than a one-day news story. It has to be pounded day after day - just like Monica Lewinsky... We have to keep giving it momentum. Momentum is not in the story itself - it comes from political push. Somebody has to keep the story alive - each day.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:40 AM
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9. Hi astonamous!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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astonamous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:16 AM
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20. Thanks!
I guess I joined several months ago, but forgot...I'm blonde! :D I appreciate the welcome. Thank you!

~astonamous
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:01 AM
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6. Where...
Where's my country? :cry:


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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:24 AM
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7. Where's the outrage you ask?
I wish I knew.

I ask that question all the time, as do others here at DU. These are strange times in this country.

But I do not believe W is going to make it through his 4 years, some very serious controversy will force him out, but this will come at a cost. I think there are some really hard times ahead for us, as we confront religious fanaticism and ignorance within our own borders. People and politicians trying to force their agenda on the whole country.

Strange times. Ignorance and narrow-mindedness have gained a foothold and political power. Sound familiar? It happened in Germany in the 1930s.

Know that there are those of us who will continue to fight the good fight in every way we know how.


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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 07:13 AM
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8. The news organizations are corrupt, so hardly anyone knows about
the horrible scandals and corruption of the Bush administration. Many Americans are used to thinking, "Hey, if it isn't on the news, there must not be a problem!" They just look at the phony images and read the headlines. They need to wake up to what the "news" has really turned into.

The news organizations are now open and blatant about being nothing but propaganda. Most Americans did not want Clinton impeached. The media and the Republicans manufactured that scandal.

Now the "news" organizations refuse to hold Bush or the Republicans accountable for anything. The corporations that own the media will make money from deregulation laws courtesy of the Republicans. Clinton gave them a lot, but they are greedy and want more.

From what I can tell, it seems like half the people here are apathetic and don't pay attention to anything but entertaining themselves, so they don't care what happens and don't vote.

Of the ones that did vote, half of us are furious liberals and Democrats that are writing our representatives and the media and are doing whatever we can think to do, but we get ignored by the media.

The other half are the Bush voters, who have gone off the deep end and are acting like crazy fascists, but the media treats them like they are mainstream and normal.

Many of us think that the sleeping Americans who don't see what is happening will not wake up until they are directly hit in the pocket.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:39 AM
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10. karma, payback for columbus
columbus was a child rapist of the old school and the US righteous elite made Old Pervert an icon, named cities and even streets/guidebooks after him...God the old timer was pissed and, well he took his time punishing us (i mean the US) with bush the furor of the 5th Rich, Reich....whatever....
otoh it could be fallout from the OJ Simpson scam ('hey, let's turn this sordid domestic murder into a cause celeb!....a n* murders a N* lover and a jew, we make wads o money and 'liberalism' becomes intolerable to decent folk... then we march in under fox/cnn cover and clean 'er up, plus kill a whole lotta them damn n*s!):)
Hey this is georgebushamerica, whatever don't kill you makes you stronger!
:freak:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 09:42 AM
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11. Please, You Tell US!
It's disgusting to us, as well. Are you kidding. I find myself watching BBC and Int'l News, and getting my real news out here, these days.

This administration and the Rethuglicans running Congress are destroying us as fast as they can.

HELP! :)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:09 AM
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12. Think of Germany in the 1930's.
Many of the same factors that led to Hitler's rise are working on people here, now.

Economic conditions aren't great -- not as bad as then, but many people actually resent working.

There's resentment of anything close to socialism, especially welfare.

There's a nationalism in the guise of patriotism that holds America as the supreme nation, justified in anything it does to other nations (with more than a dose of racism involved, as well).

There's a scapegoating and demonization of the rulers' opponents, notably "liberals."

There's a strange collusion of politics, corporations, and religion.

The media is largely owned and operated by entities with an interest in our rightwing government, and willingly promotes propaganda.

If the German people could have been duped into supporting Hitler, it's sadly understandable that Americans have been duped into supporting Bushco. I think many of the same factors are at play.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:16 AM
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19. Absoulety agreed. The Busheviks may not be exactly like the Nazis
Edited on Sat May-07-05 11:17 AM by tom_paine
but they are cut from the same cloth, believe the same kinds of lies, hate Liberals, Jews (except the ones who work for them), and Blacks (except the ones who work for them).

Understand this, the Fourth Reich has just begun here in Amerika. How bad will it get? Well, let's just say that you all in the Free World better pray we don't have an economic collapse like Germany in the 20s because we are now programmed to respond to terrible widescale adversity like they were, and will NOT respond as the Free World did in the 20s and 30s in places like the Old Republic of America.

Know what darkness you and we stand on the threshold of. To trul;y understand it you must gaze deeply at it.

KNOW it. Else you will fall prey to it.

We in Imperial Amerika look to the Free World to preserve and defend the traditions we are in the process of forsaking. Please don't let all of humanity down and go BushPutinist yourselves.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:13 AM
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13. about impeachment.....
Articles of Impeachment can only be introduced in the House of Representatives, which is currently controlled by the Republicans, most of whom are financially beholden to right wing PAC's (political action committees).

To impeach this SOB we have to take back the House.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:19 AM
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14. I know there is a belief that since we don't have a majority
in either house of Congress that there is not enough of a quorum to call for impeachment. I disagree. I'm sure there are many Republicans that could cross the aisle now if one of our Democrats called for impeachment after all the impeachable evidence that is piling up.

However, a better way would be if the Republicans were to begin impeachment hearings. My suggestion would be that for those of us who have a Republican congressman (I do) and one or two Republican senators, we must start hounding them to impeach. The more letters the more phone calls and the more demonstrations in front of their offices calling for impeachment, would get their attention.

We have to start trying to get the Repukes on our side in this. We can't let this administration go off into the sunset thinking they got away with murder.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:24 AM
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15. We've been tamed. Beaten down. We have learned to be helpless.
Edited on Sat May-07-05 10:25 AM by BurtWorm
They are removing every last bit of fire from us. We may have taken to the streets by the millions before the war, but we didn't see ourselves or hear our point of view in the media. Our American media is complicit. They have turned our government into a remote spectacle over which we have absolutely no power and which we have no hope to influence.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:31 AM
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16. Corporate Owned Mainstream Media Pumping Out The Reich-Wing Party Line
Remember, you are an anomaly (if you were in the US) along with most of those here. The vast majority in this Country get their news from the 3 broadcast networks, local newspaper, local Action McNews, and to a lesser degree one of the cable news outlets that are strategically placed in the low cost packages.

And the Corporatist news here is summarized as: Economy Good And Getting Better, High Oil Prices No Problem, Democracy Spreading In Middle East, Boosh Is A Strong Leader.

Consider the results of the PIPA study regarding misconceptions surrounding Iraq. NPR listeners were the best informed, Faux News the worst informed (Not that NPR is any paragon of balance. I think these results reflect that NPR listeners are more active in seeking out correct information).
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:47 AM
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17. What's up?
We are scared. The high living, easy credit/pay no interest lifestyle America has lived for 30 years now, is about to go into default, bankrupt, foreclosure.

We are at the mercy of the rest of the world and our leaders have pissed yall off. Have mercy on us, please.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:05 AM
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18. exhaustion, apathy, and self-righteousness
Granted, most Americans have to work twice as hard now to make ends meet, so many simply don't have the time or are too exhausted to exercise outrage. They may be disgusted but they don't have the energy to do much about it.

Some are just lazy and don't care. They can shrug off the war because they don't have children or spouses fighting it. They ignore the economic catastrophe to come as billions upon billions are siphoned out of the treasury. They figure that someone will take care of it (like Clinton did after 12 years of irresponsible Republican rule). They're numbed to the outside world by a steady diet of Michael Jackson, runaway brides, American Idol scandals and other such fluff.

Some care only about homosexuality and abortion. These issues are more important to them than the very survival of our country, and we are now reaping what they've sowed. The morality of an illegal war with alarming rates of US and Iraqi casualties are of no apparent concern, unless they take the time to slap a "Support The Troops" magnet on their SUV.

Some take action, but few seem to notice. Discouraged, some drop out of the race. Some keep fighting even as the losses mount.

It must be strange to be on the outside looking in, but believe me, it isn't as strange as being on the inside and living this nightmare, while your fellow citizens discuss the latest buzz on American Idol. It's sort of surreal.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:18 AM
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21. You sure know a lot of inside politics stuff for a furiner.
Why is that?
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