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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:16 PM
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The Odd Hypocrite: The NAZI Bush Celebrates the NAZI Defeat
The little turd from Crawford, Gov. Bush, flew into Holland to spit out a few photo ops on the memory of the brave men and women who sacrificed their lives to end World War II in Europe. I find Bush's presence in Europe the height of hypocrisy. Bush desecrates the graves of America's finest as well as the memories of the fallen Allies. The reason: His family supported their enemies. That family tradition continues to the present day. -- Octafish



Bush flies in to mark VE Day

By Stephanie van den Berg in Maastricht, The Netherlands
May 8, 2005

US President George W. Bush has arrived in the Netherlands to mark the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe with a visit to the graves of US soldiers.

SNIP...

"We will never forget the acts of courage that made possible the liberation of a continent, or the heroes who fought in the cause of freedom.

"We honour the brave Americans and Allied troops who humbled tyrants, defended the innocent, and liberated the oppressed.

"By their courage and sacrifice, they showed the world that there is no power like the power of freedom - and no soldier as strong as a soldier who fights for that freedom."

CONTINUED...as the coward from Crawford lambasted Stalin, who's nation lost (at least) 25 million in the fight against Fascism (and another 25 million in the Gulag).

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=3088834

hypocrite

n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Second of Four Definitions at http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypocrite


Bush is a NAZI

HITLER INVADED POLAND BECAUSE HE WANTED TO. BUSH INVADED IRAQ BECAUSE HE WANTED TO.

They Knew…

Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak


By David Sirota and Christy Harvey

If desperation is ugly, then Washington, D.C. today is downright hideous.
As the 9/11 Commission recently reported, there was “no credible evidence” of a collaborative relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. Similarly, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. With U.S. casualties mounting in an election year, the White House is grasping at straws to avoid being held accountable for its dishonesty.

The whitewash already has started: In July, Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee released a controversial report blaming the CIA for the mess. The panel conveniently refuses to evaluate what the White House did with the information it was given or how the White House set up its own special team of Pentagon political appointees (called the Office of Special Plans) to circumvent well-established intelligence channels. And Vice President Dick Cheney continues to say without a shred of proof that there is “overwhelming evidence” justifying the administration’s pre-war charges.
But as author Flannery O’Conner noted, “Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” That means no matter how much defensive spin spews from the White House, the Bush administration cannot escape the documented fact that it was clearly warned before the war that its rationale for invading Iraq was weak.

Top administration officials repeatedly ignored warnings that their assertions about Iraq’s supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) and connections to al Qaeda were overstated. In some cases, they were told their claims were wholly without merit, yet they went ahead and made them anyway. Even the Senate report admits that the White House “misrepresented” classified intelligence by eliminating references to contradictory assertions.

In short, they knew they were misleading America.

And they did not care.

CONTINUED…

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802


Bush's Daddy is a NAZI

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH WAS HEAD OF THE CIA. ALLEN DULLES WAS HEAD OF THE CIA WHEN THE NAZIS WERE SMUGGLED IN ON THE RATLINES AND THROUGH OPERATION PAPAERCLIP. DULLES AND PRESCOT BUSH WERE BUSINESS PARTNERS WITH AVERELL HARRIMAN, WHO HELPED FINANCE THE NAZIS.

Old Nazis & The New Right

by Russ Bellant

If you can bear to think back to the 1988 presidential election, you'll recall that at one point Bush had to dismiss several Nazis from the top of his campaign committee. This article discusses the role that fascists and Nazi collaborators have played in the new right's subversion of traditional Republican values. Bellant focuses on the Republican Heritage Groups Council, a Nazi nest which Bush and Reagan have courted in their pursuit of power. It was Bellant's research which forced the dismissal of some of Bush's Nazi friends from the campaign committee, but as Bellant points out, While Bush campaign spokespersons pledged there would be an investigation into the background and views of the CAN members whose resignations it had announced, no serious investigation ever took place and the campaign repeatedly referred to the charges as unsubstantiated politically-motivated smears. Several of the persons who had been reported as resigning told journalists they had never been asked to resign and considered themselves still active with the Bush campaign.

Here's an excerpt from their work:

What distinguishes Nazism from generic fascism is its obsession with racial theories of superiority, and some would say, its roots in the socialist theory of proletarian revolution.

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.

*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).

*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.

It is vitally important to understand that fascism and Nazism are not biologically or culturally determinant. Fascism does not attach to the gene structure of any specific group or nationality. Nazism was not the ultimate expression of the German people. Fascism did not end with World War II.

After Nazi Germany surrendered to the Allies, the geopolitical landscape of Europe was once again drastically altered. In a few short months, some of our former fascist enemies became our allies in the fight to stop the spread of communism. The record of this transformation has been laid out in a series of books. U.S. recruitment of the Nazi spy apparatus has been chronicled in books ranging from by Hohne & Zolling, to the recent by Simpson. The laundering of Nazi scientists into our space program is chronicled in by Bowers. The global activities of, and ongoing fascist role within, the World Anti-Communist League were described in by Anderson and Anderson. Bellant's bibliography cites many other examples of detailed and accurate reporting of these disturbing realities.

SOURCE:

—Russ Bellant (Chip Berlet, Introduction) “Old NAZIs, the New Right and the Reagan Administration: The Role of Domestic Fascist Networks in the Repubican Party and Their Effect on U.S. Cold War Politics.” 1988. Political Research Associates, Cambridge, Mass.



Bush's Granddaddy was a NAZI

THIS IS SOME SERIOUS STUFF, AMERICA. STICKING THE HEAD IN THE SAND WON’T MAKE THE PROBLEM GO AWAY. WHAT’S WORSE, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:28 PM
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1. While he's over there, it sure would be nice if he stopped by the Hague
and was then summarily detained.

(just a little wishful thinking)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:41 PM
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2. The International Court has a pretty good case against Booshler.
The guy's a war criminal. Bush knew Saddam posed no threat, but told his Cabinet to make war plans upon "taking" office in January 2001.

Bush knew that 9-11 attacks were coming, per Richard Clarke, George Tenet and Bill Clinton. He even knew how, thanks to the the FBI flight school warnings coming in to Washington.

Still, Bush did nothing to stop them. That makes him a mass murderer.

But it gets worse. Bush knew that Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, but he wanted to make war on Iraq and used 9-11 as the excuse he needed. So he attacked an innocent country.

And now Bush's war is an "honest mistake," based on flawed intelligence. I'll say. The flaw is the intelligence is NAZI.

We know what happens to NAZIs. Historically and in the Hague, they lose.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:43 PM
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3. I honestly cannot imagine a scenerio where they'd ever bring charges
against him although I whole heartedly believe he is guilty of crimes against humanity and deserves to be held accountable.

In a perfect world, there would be justice and that day would come. Unfortunately I don't think this happens to be that planet.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:22 AM
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6. That's why we must remember to "Never Forget."
The day will come when these gangsters will have to answer for their crimes. It may not be in this world, but they will have to answer. While I'm far from saintliness, I very much hope I don't see them in the next world.

Here's some background on WTF happened to world court charges against Poppy and Boy Blunder:

Belgium Drops War Crimes Cases

Both Bushes became subjects of possible war crimes charges under the controversial Belgian law.


Deutsche-Welle
Sept. 25, 2003
 
Belgium’s highest court threw out war crimes cases against George Bush and Ariel Sharon on Wednesday, citing the lack of a legal basis. The move will likely reduce diplomatic tensions between Brussels and Washington.

Former United States President George Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will no longer have to appear in a Belgium court to answer to charges of crimes against humanity.

A Belgium court on Wednesday dismissed the cases against Sharon, Bush and Israeli Gen. Amos Yaron on grounds that the country’s courts did not have the jurisdiction to bring them to trial. The appeals court in Brussels further said that none of the accused had been Belgian citizens at the time when the alleged crimes were committed.

The unusual origin of the suits can be traced back to Belgium’s controversial 1993 universal-jurisdiction genocide law, which allowed anyone to file genocide and war crimes complaints against foreign leaders until last August.

First applied against Rwandans implicated in the 1994 genocide (photo)  in the African country, the law has since been used by human rights campaigners, political groups and disgruntled individuals to file complaints against a score of international figures including current U.S. President George W. Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, retired U.S. General Tommy Franks and, more famously, former Chilean military dictator Augusto Pinochet.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,978973,00.html

Like father, like son war criminals.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/image/0,1587,803653_6,00.jpg

This shows if you've got all the money and the nukes,
the world's going to go along and give you what you want.
Even freedom. Even self-respect. Even integrity.

PS: Wait a second. There's lots of reason to believe we may still see these two turds in Leavenworth. The Hague doesn't matter when it comes to the U.S. Constitution and Treason.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:29 PM
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36. Never Forget: Who would have ever thought circa 1973-75
that Pinochet (Ex-Chile Far Right DickTator) would ever be brought to Justice??

Never Give Up Hope



Conscientious objectors need our support:
http://www.notinourname.net/courage.htm


Contacts & more infos:
http://www.peace-out.com
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:39 PM
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40. I love your optimism but Pinochet was only a playground bully
compared to these bad boys



The BFEE are the most powerful thugs in the world. Like Octafish says if you've got all the money and the nukes who is there to bring them to justice? :grr:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:59 PM
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42. True. We don't know who is there to do that...
Edited on Mon May-09-05 08:50 PM by Amonester
...yet!

That's why we must never give up hope, and work for improving the things we can improve (if we can), and if we can't, well never give up hope anyway because it doesn't mean nobody can.

No matter how dark the future *seems* to be (sometimes, but too often lately that's for sure) there's always someone (or something), somewhere we know nothing about today, and suddenly... what was considered impossible a few months (or years) back happens!

Take WWII Vets like my dad for example (alright, I'm proud of what he did so I can't stop mentioning him. Okay. ;) )

How many of them came back home as winners BECAUSE they never gave up hope? A great majority did. "Hitler? Naaaah. All too wealthy, too mean, and powerful. No way. All is lost. Not worth fighting."

Better example (a peaceful one): Ghandi. He never gave up. He wasn't rich. The Empire was way too big, wealthy and powerful. Still, and against all odds, he succeeded because he never gave up hope, no matter what.

If we take the time to look around us, lots of creative stuff can be done. OK. Won't happen overnight. Too bad.

Never give up hope anyway. Use DU like it is your new media (it is).

Be creative (as usual). ;)

Leaflets. Posters. Billboards. Information everywhere you want (well, almost). :thumbsup:

:think:


On edit: Never Give Up Hope. Work for it (if you can)!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:41 AM
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4. Mothers, don't let your babies grow up
to be NAZIS!!! :kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:11 AM
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5. That song deserves air-play. 'CIA admits employing NAZIs.'
The CIA is Bush. And Bush's Poppy. And Poppy's daddy Prescott. Through their "uncles" Allen Dulles, John F. Dulles, Averell Harriman and all the family retainers.

It's not just Social Security and the New Deal, Booshler wants it all. The crazy monkey is working to rewrite history at the expense of FDR and in favor of the fascist military-industrial-intelligence complex in eastern Yurup this weekend. The commies are no great shakes, either. They're just as authoritarian and anti-democratic as Hitler and Bush.

What Hitler, Staling and Bush (the current beard of the BFEE) have in common: None of them know shame.


CIA admits employing Nazis

Klaus Barbie: Used by the CIA as an intelligence source


Files released by the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States have confirmed that World War II Nazi war criminals were employed by Western intelligence agencies.

However, the files dispel the widespread view that one of Hitler's closest allies, Gestapo chief Henrich Muller, survived World War II and went on to work for the CIA.

As a body, the real winners of the Cold War were Nazi criminals, many of whom were able to escape justice

SNIP...

Mr Rosenbaum said many Nazi war criminals "were able to escape justice because East and West became so rapidly focused after the war on challenging each other that they lost their will to pursue Nazi persecutors".

SNIP...

One CIA document says that in 1937, Hitler's doctor thought he noticed growing signs of insanity in the Nazi leader before the start of World War II, and predicted he could become "the craziest criminal the world ever saw".

CONTINUED...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1301306.stm
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:52 AM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:13 AM
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17. No, not Truman. DULLES.
Must disagree with: "These people were allowed into this country with the expressed approval of President Truman."

Truman did authorize PAPERCLIP to bring over Von Braun and the superweapon scientists. But it wasn't Truman who authorized the admittance of NAZI war criminals like Gehlen, Barbie and the rest of the turds who escaped justice through the ratlines. Truman HATED the NAZIs.

Here's a decent and quick read on the subject:

Operation PAPERCLIP Case File

EXCERPT...

President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War"

However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism."

The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review.

The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied.

Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best intrests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have."

When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles. Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediatly. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infilitrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Operation_Paperclip_file.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:28 AM
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7. The Bushes have a way of covering up

(...)
The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war.

Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".

Jan Lissmann, one of the lawyers for the survivors, said: "President Bush withdrew President Bill Clinton's signature from the treaty not only to protect Americans, but also to protect himself and his family."
(...)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:49 AM
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8. BFEE S.O.P.
Great article. Thank you, DrDebug! I remember the suit, but hadn't read the quote from Jan Lissmann. Wow. One would think that would be enough evidence for a follow-up to the Guardian story -- especially by someone in the U.S. press, but that would mean that America had a truly free press.

Convenient losses of data are normal for the Bush Family Evil Empire. Poppy's SEC records from when he ran Zapata Offshore are lost in the late 50s and early 60s are lost. Smirko's TANG records are lost when a microfilm broke. Then there were the records of how Junior got into Project P.U.L.L. for community service that people remember, but can't locate. There are more "coincidences," but the proof of who is behind them can be seen by the little turd from Crawford's presidential order that sealed the papers of former presidents from public review.

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:07 AM
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9. I doubt whether any newspaper has the guts to follow up
A quick google gives only the New Hampshire Gazette. It is not in the interest of * to inform the public of the family past...

Indeed, a lot of documentation related to the Bush family has been lost and/or suddenly classified over the years.

I found a report on USAToday as well. It's not about Prescott Bush but Prescott jr. an uncle of Dubya and he is an acquaintance of Chinese President Jiang Zemin. And the story sounds familiar... (that whole family is rotten to the core)

Along with access, the family name has also brought scrutiny to Prescott Bush's deals:


  • He was criticized in 1989 for visiting China to meet with business and government leaders just three months after the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which army troops fired at pro-democracy demonstrators.

  • His Shanghai partnership with the Japanese firm Aoki in 1988 proved embarrassing when revelations surfaced that Aoki at the same time was allegedly trying to get business contracts by bribing Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, whom the first President Bush later ousted from power.

  • His connections to an American firm, Asset Management, came into question in 1989, when the company was the only U.S. firm able to skirt U.S. sanctions and import communications satellites into China.

  • When Asset Management went bankrupt later that year, Bush's deal to arrange a buyout through West Tsusho, a Japanese investment firm, raised eyebrows. Newspapers reported that Japanese police were investigating West Tsusho's alleged ties to organized crime.


Bush declines to discuss those controversies. "That's old news. It's in the past," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/02/19/usat-prescott-bush.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:44 AM
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11. The Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise Loves Authoritarian Regimes
If memory serves: Uncle Prescott started the US-China Chamber of Commerce a short while after Poppy sent Scowcroft over to clink the champagne toasts for Tiananmen Square -- no hard feelings, wink-wink. And back to business as usual. It isn't Wal-mart using slave labor, there's big money to be made... War. War. War.

Buy and Sell in China



President George H. W. Bush, Siva Yam and President Bush's Brother Prescott Bush, Jr.

History of USA-China Chamber of Commerce

Founded in 1993 in St. Louis by a group of Chinese and American businessmen led by Prescott S. Busch, Jr. and with initial funding from several major corporations and its Directors, the United States of America-China Chamber of Commerce has evolved and grown into a well recognized non-profit, bi-national membership organization with three offices in the U.S. and a representative in Shanghai, China. With a membership of over 200 corporations and professionals, the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce has broadened its reach with the addition of new members, and the participation of companies and professionals from various parts of the world.

SOURCE:

http://www.usccc.org/newhome/history10.asp

THEN THERE'S THE OTHER THING. THE POWER THING.

Manchurian Candidate: Why Beijing Bets on Bush

CALIFORNIA, Oct. 31, 2004 —Is a vote for George W. Bush a vote for Beijing? Certainly when it comes to USA-China relations the Bush family and its supporters have close connections to the Beijing government. According to Secretary of State Colin Powell (a personal friend of George Bush Senior) relations between the USA and China are the strongest they've been in a generation.

Under W cooperation with China's military has increased, the trade deficit with China has swelled to well over 100 billion dollars, and the USA has softened its criticism of human rights in China. And for nearly a year W and Colin Powell have issued the strongest statements ever made by an American government against Taiwan independence.

Yet when W became President in 2001 many Christian conservatives –the base of his political support– believed he would spur policies to oppose communist China and support Taiwan.

In 2000 W differentiated himself from the Clinton view of China as an important "strategic partner" in trade by referring to China as a "strategic competitor" overall. This slogan was no doubt coined by the "Vulcans," W's foreign policy advisors, people such as Condoleeza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle, all "neo-conservative" Republicans steeped in the traditions of the Cold War.

Neo-conservatives view current American policies on China as outdated and call for recognition of Taiwan. That's good news to evangelicals who see Taiwan as the vanguard in the American crusade to make a Christian China.

CONTINUED...

http://www.sinomania.com/CHINANEWS/manchurian_candidate.htm

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:53 AM
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13. Thanks
They sure love dictators. It's a great source of inspiration of the family and it is always surprising how often a family member suddenly gets mentioned in one controversary or another.

I love this picture on the front page of the link. A picture worth a 1000 words.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:08 AM
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10. "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:54 AM
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:06 AM
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16. AND REMEMBER HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:23 AM by seemslikeadream
EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...
HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...
BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE


http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO ONLY TAKES 3 MINUTES




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von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar



Wumpscut - Deadmaker

They didn't expect me
never expected my wild lust
I turned into an animal
No thought about afterwards
When I broke your bones

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Dead

For my next life (life after death in the religious sense)
I get the power I need
I’m a slave to the killing
In solitary confinement

("einzelhaft" (solitary confinment) has become part of the german vocabulary after the terrorist attacks of the Red Army Fraction during the 70's. It's used for people in prison, who are put into complete isolation not just from other people, but from all kinds of information. It's what might be known in the US as "sensual deprivation", a kind of torture-technique to destroy people's self.)

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

Wasting away
By God’s hand
I can smell you
And my thought disappeared

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red
Dead, dead, dead, dead

I make you dead I make you dead
I make you dead I make you dead

Tell me what you want
That you fill my longing (that you satisfy my desire)
I make you dead for evermore
God’s altar stained from blood so red

Dead, dead, dead I make you dead
Dead, dead, dead stained from blood so red

I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead believe me its true
I make you dead for evermore
I make you dead on God’s altar


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. FDR didn't summarily execute American citizens, like Bush.
Stuff like this must mean I really hate America: According to Ashcroft and Gonzalez, under the USA PATRIOT Act, the crazy monkey can kill who he wants.

George W. Bush, Warlord

by Ted Rall

A Presidential Impostor Turns Political Assassin

NEW YORK--First he appointed himself President. Now George W. Bush has declared himself God.

As Americans begin their third year of Supreme Court-ordered political occupation, Bush has just signed an impressive new executive order. You may be surprised to learn that it grants him the right to order your execution. No judge, jury or lawyer. No chance to prove your innocence. One stroke of Bush's pen, and bang--you're dead.

Bush's secret assassination directive surfaced on Dec. 3, when reporters asked about the Nov. 3 Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) rub-out of alleged Al Qaeda operatives riding in a car in Yemen. Langley fired a Hellfire missile from a remote-controlled Predator drone into the vehicle, blowing up several men. The CIA (news - web sites) later discovered that an American citizen, Kamal Derwish, had inadvertently been killed in the inferno.

Bush's secret assassination directive surfaced on Dec. 3, when reporters asked about the Nov. 3 Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) rub-out of alleged Al Qaeda operatives riding in a car in Yemen. Langley fired a Hellfire missile from a remote-controlled Predator drone into the vehicle, blowing up several men. The CIA (news - web sites) later discovered that an American citizen, Kamal Derwish, had inadvertently been killed in the inferno.

SNIP...

While the CIA has targeted U.S. citizens in the past, those killings were officially sanctioned only when the person in question was considered an immediate threat to American lives. Scott L. Silliman, director of the Duke University Center on Law, Ethics and National Security asks: "Could you put a Hellfire missile into a car in Washington, D.C. under the same theory? The answer is yes, you could."

CONTINUED...

http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/warlord.htm
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Is there a reference to that story?
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:24 AM by DrDebug
I never read that before and that's scary. (Not that the rest isn't, but this is Executive Order to Become a Dictator)

P.S. Nominated. People need to see this
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Happened just after The New Pearl Harbor™
Not meant with disrespect to anyone but the BFEE, as I've met veterans of both events. -- Octafish

NEW CIA COVERT POWERS UNDERMINE CONSTITUTION

By CHARLES LEVENDOSKY
Casper Star-Tribune
December 8, 2002

Last week the Associated Press broke the news that President Bush has granted the CIA the authority to kill American citizens who might be working for or are members of the al-Qaida terrorist network. The CIA will be judge, jury and executioner -- with the blessing of the Bush administration.

According to the story, the president signed a secret finding (a grant of authority) "that directs the CIA to covertly attack al-Qaida anywhere in the world." The finding makes no exceptions for Americans, so permission to kill them is understood, according to administration officials.

The story dropped quietly into some mainstream media outlets, like ABC's Internet presence ABC News.com, the Houston Chronicle, Seattle Times, The News & Observer and even Montana's Great Falls Tribune. But where is the outrage that one would expect a freedom loving people to express?

Back in July, USA Today warned that restrictions placed on the CIA after the abuses of the 1970s were being removed one by one in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Congressional investigations held in the mid-1970s revealed that the CIA broke into and bugged the offices and homes of anti-war activists, planned assassination plots against Cuba's Fidel Castro and other foreign leaders, routinely kept records on American citizens' telegraph cables. All the while, the agency kept Congress in the dark about its clandestine activities.

In 1976, Congress acted to stop the abuses. The CIA was forbidden to spy on Americans or to topple or eliminate foreign leaders who are considered adversaries.

However, a Bush directive gives CIA agents direct launch control of Hellfire missiles mounted on unmanned aerial vehicles. This is the first time that the CIA has been given operational control of a military weapon.

CONTINUED...

http://fact.trib.com/1st.lev.CIAkillauthority.html


Officials: American al-Qaeda can be targeted and killed

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002-12-03-american-al-qaeda_x.htm


CIA's License to Kill

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/03/attack/main531596.shtml


White House defends CIA killing of US citizen in Yemen

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/yem-n12.shtml


BTW: Really like the 1,000-word image, too, DrDebug.



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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Thanks. Well I never read that story
And the initial link didn't go anywhere. That's the problem most things pass you by even though watching the DU keeps you many times more informed than most of the people.

Still strange that it didn't cause an outrage and disappeared somewhere in the archives. A lot of things happened after the New Reichstag TM (Still think that it is a better name given the official story which makes no sense at all...)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. You're welcome, Doctor!
In searching for more articles, I saw that Ted Rall's story is archived on Alternet. I have no shame in grabbing and posting from any source when it comes to getting the truth out about the Bush gang.

The BFEE has learned its lessons in evil well and knows how to cover-up the truth. They employ many, if not most, of the best PR pros in the world. The 9-11 thing is much more complicated than the JFK assassination. They figure by the time we're done figuring out which engine from what missile had which pod for which demolitioned building seven when for whichever carpet of poppy's gold, Jesus would've come back and taken them and their Swiss bank accounts to safety.

PS: Thank you for the nom and your great posts. They are much appreciated.

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. 9/11 is extremely complex. I've tried to understand some parts
But it has layers and layers of deceipt. Some aspects like Flight 93 are designed that they can never be properly solved. Some things can be understood and explained, but important information like who was running the show can never be solved, because all the people who had the means and the motives have solid alibis (*, Cheney, Rumsfeld). It was definitely planned and executed by a team of experts and on the highest levels and they build layers of deception and misinformation in it to ensure that at best you can only get a glimpse of the truth.

I think that even that glimpse of the truth will take a long time. Eventually it will come out though. Just like the Nazis were finally defeated and the full scale of their operation became known, but the suffering which was necessary was immense.

Thanks for your post. They've been very good reading. As you said. Reading and analysis is the way to understand the world. That's why the emphasis on reading has faded over the years and been replaced by entertainment, television, fiction and games, because the main issue is to keep people stupid.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Are you in either the LIHOP or MIHOP camps, Dr.Debug?
I'm in the LIHOP camp based solely on the behavior of the USAF on 9-11-2001, only a fool fails to realize that military careers were made or broken on response time and that we even scramble for UFO's, let alone multiple commercial "hijackings" by terrorists that trained in US flight schools connected to spooks.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Don't know. I guess I'm closer to MIHOP
LIHOP as far Bush and most of the military/intelligence is concerned, because I doubt whether they had full disclosure. There is doubt in his case given his behaviour.

But as far Rumsfeld and Cheney go, they have been acting strange and didn't seems to be too bothered. Rumsfeld just continued on his video conference knowing that the Pentagon was hit on the other side. And Cheney knew about the war game exercise which was exactly the 9/11 scenario as well. So I don't rule out MIHOP in case of those gentlemen, but it's not real proof either, just a gut feeling.

Either way a lot of keyplayers knew what was going to happen. As far WTC 7 and the Pentagon it was on purpose and executed was planned that way with precise detailed. So that means MIHOP, but I think that most didn't know what happened or just had a basic idea which means that they fall in the LIHOP category.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. One thing is for sure, the warnings about crashing aircraft into buildings
were ignored. And those warnings were coming in from all over the planet, not just within our intelligence community.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. There must have been plenty of warnings
Because even if it was planned from inside there would been leakage. So a lot of people knew but the plan sounded too outrageous to be true.

I remember that day very clearly - like most here I would assume. Somebody came in at work with the story that airliners crashed into the WTC and that the Pentagon was hit as well. The first reaction was "C'mon you are kidding me! What a ridiculous story.". And then I went to the internet. Damn! The internet was down. Couldn't reach any sites. And then CNN was reduced to one page and extremely slowly it loaded with the story. That was also the lesson about hi-tech internet. It'll fail when millions try to go to the same place all at once ;)

So my initial reaction was denial as well. It was too crazy to be true. And then you had to learn that it the official story has a hoax.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #14
20. READ
The Reichstag Fire and 9/11
Pretexts for Dictatorship and the Fourth Reich

http://www.oilempire.us/reichstag-fire.html


Bush's 9/11 Reichstag Fire
by Harvey Wasserman

When Hitler was rising to power in 1930s Germany, somebody did him the favor of burning the Reichstag, the German Parliament. It's widely believed the Nazis torched it themselves.

Hitler's cynical minions turned that fire into a horrific wave of terror. They blamed "the communists" and the Jews, the trade unionists and the homosexuals. With the support of a terrified populace, they suspended civil rights and civil liberties, fattened their war machine and rode the fascist tide into a full-blown dictatorship. The rest, as they say, is history.

The neverending White House-sponsored orgy of 9/11 rhetoric, recrimination and retaliation has become a treacherous parallel. Few Americans believe the Bush Administration itself brought down the World Trade Center last year. But the conviction is widespread throughout Europe and the Muslim world, and for good reason.

This unelected regime---Hitler also came to power with a minority of votes---has used the terrible tragedies of September 11 in much the way the Nazis jumped on the Reichstag fire. Bush has failed to capture or try 9/11's alleged perpetrators. But he's used the tragedy to push an extreme rightist agenda aimed at crushing civil liberties, silencing all opposition, fattening a war machine, and arrogating the right to unilaterally attack other countries without tangible provocation.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0913-03.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. Bush Family Whitewashing in Iraq and Nazi Germany
It's a mystery to me why so many people these days dislike reading. Without writing things down, we're apt to forget our history and thus, our future. Here's a little something that should be in the school books, newspapers, magazines and billboards of this advertising-sotted nation of ours:

Revise and Conquer

Bush Family Whitewashing in Iraq and Nazi Germany


By CHRIS FLOYD

Holocaust revisionism took decades to rear its ugly head, but the whitewashers of war crimes in the Bush Regime are trying to pervert the facts of history mere weeks after their Leader triumphantly declared "mission accomplished" in the war on Iraq. "Weapons of mass destruction?" Never heard of 'em. Never mentioned 'em. Maybe we'll find some. Not that important. Time to move on. Hey, how about a tax cut?

But even as revisionist-in-chief George W. Bush was staging his somber photo-op in Auschwitz last week, the web of lies he and his little buddy Tony Blair concocted to "justify" launching an act of military aggression--on the very Hitlerian grounds of "preventive war"--was being shredded by their own intelligence services. In an unprecedented move, U.S and British spies went public to denounce the cartoonish manipulation of professional intelligence data by the war-hungry leaders. Reports of Saddam's "imminent threat" were "sexed up" on Blair's order, said UK spooks, while American agents said Bush was spoonfed a stew of uncorroborated confabulation by a "special team" of ideological hatchet-men overseen by Pentagon honcho Don Rumsfeld. Congressional and Parliamentary probes are now afoot.

In the end, the "weapons of mass destruction" that the Christian Coalition had sworn were "armed and ready" to unleash unspeakable carnage on the world turned out to be--by Bush's own admission--a couple of trucks, which contained not a speck of hazardous material. Not exactly the fearsome arsenal the Dear Leader had invoked, in ever-increasing detail, throughout the long buildup to aggression. The actual CIA report which Bush cited was even more--or rather, less--revealing, noting that the trucks' designs were in fact consistent with their stated purpose: the production of hydrogen for weather balloons, Slate.com reports.

Thus revisionism--panicky, cynical, maladroit--was the order of the day. Rumsfeld--whose smirking rictus of iron certainty was a mainstay of the drive to war--began backing off big-time. Maybe there ***weren't*** any WMD, he shrugged; maybe Saddam destroyed them before the war. Unfortunately, the UK press dug up a quote from St. Tony himself on the subject: "We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd." But to be fair, Blair's broadside ***was*** fired long ago, practically in cave-man times: March 18, 2003, to be exact. It's certainly irrelevant in our go-go modern world, where history is written with water and each day is a new blank page.

So it was most apt that the only question Bush was heard to ask during his Auschwitz tour actually dealt with Holocaust revisionism: "Do people challenge the accuracy of what you present?" he asked his guide, the New York Times reports. This might seem a rather bizarre question at first glance--but then, Bush has a personal stake in the cultivation of historical amnesia. His own family fortune was built in part by a long and profitable collusion with the Nazis--an ugly story oft told here, and raked up again by Newsweek Poland during the presidential visit.

CONTINUED...

http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Articles/Bush/bushrevision.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. Der Schicklegrüber and Da Smirkelgrüber shop at the same place.
Clothes make the Übermensch.

"Boy, they were big on crematoriums, weren't they?" -- Then vice-president George Herbert Walker Bush in '87 after visiting the Auschwitz death camp.

"Do people challenge the accuracy of what you present?" -- The only question posed by current "president" George Walker Bush in '93 at Auschwitz death camp.

Gold Fillings, Auschwitz & George Bush

by Glen Yeadon
with Larry Neilson

When George "Poppy" Bush ran for president in 1988 and 1992 there were little warning signs of a right-wing connection, but few paid them much attention. In the 1988 campaign it surfaced that one of Bush's campaign staffers was a distributor of pro-Nazi propaganda. Before the ink was dry on the culprit's resignation, further revelations followed that there were several ex-Nazis on Bush's campaign staff, including Laszlo Pastor and Yaroslav Stetsko. Pastor was a member of the Hungarian Arrow Cross during World War II, a pro-Nazi military order known for its excessive brutality. Stetsko served as the prime minister of the short-lived Nazi Ukrainian puppet government. During his brief reign more than 100,000 Jews were slaughtered in Lvov. His hiring Fred Malek, a well-known Nazi collaborator, for both his presidential campaigns, further emphasized George Bush's insensitivity towards victims of the Holocaust. Upon winning the presidency in one of the dirtiest campaigns in memory, Poppy Bush placed his assets in a blind trust headed by his close friend William Stamps Farish III. That appointment should have raised a red flag. Farish's grandfather, William Stamps Farish I, was a war profiteer during World War II. In defiance of the American embargo, Farish sold the Japanese the aviation gas used in the Pearl Harbor attack. The elder Farish also supplied Hitler's war machine with oil and tetraethyl lead. Senator Prescott Bush, Poppy Bush's father, was a close friend of the elder Farish. Even after his testimony before Harry Truman's committee on waste and fraud in the war industry prompted Senator Truman to cry, "This is treason!" Farish remained a Bush intimate.

SNIP...

By the fall of 1916, German industrialist August Thyssen-nicknamed the "Rockefeller of the Ruhr"- had concluded that Germany would lose the war. He needed a strategy to protect his fortune in the coming era of defeat and instability. Thyssen had two sons. Thyssen's eldest son Fritz had been groomed to run the family steel business in the Ruhr. Thyssen's second son, Heinrich, discreetly acquired Hungarian citizenship by marrying the Hungarian Baroness Margrit Bornemisza de Kaszon. Near the end of the war, in Rotterdam, August Thyssen opened the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart, and installed Heinrich (now going by the name of Baron Thyssen Bornemisza de Kaszon) as the principal owner. Since Holland had been neutral during the war, the new bank could serve to launder funds from the Thyssen Bank in Berlin and thus protect the family fortune from being seized as reparations by the Allies. Later the laundered funds could be returned to Germany as seed capital for new industrial ventures. All that remained to complete August Thyssen's plan was to set up an American bank to thoroughly disguise his ownership.

SNIP...

Taking advantage of stubborn economic distress and an unruly situation which they did their best to turn to chaos, the Nazis swept to power in 1933. Two Americans were present during the secret meeting of the German elite that gave Hitler the nod: Allen and John Foster Dulles.

Hitler lost little time before staging a fake Communist-led putsch (the Reichstag fire) which served as an excuse for seizing dictatorial power and starting Germany's march to police statehood. By 1934, with Hitler in firm control and hastening to rearm, United Steel Works profits soared to over a hundred million dollars. Both Union Banking and the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart were awash in cash. And they used it to further pump up the sinews of war and oppression for the Nazis. Postwar Congressional investigations showed that United Steel had supplied 50.8 percent of Nazi Germany's pig iron plus a substantial part of the other ferrous-metal products for Hitler's war machine. Thus, in fact, one of the largest munitions makers in Nazi Germany was founded and funded by Prescott Bush, the patriarch of the Bush political dynasty, which has so far included two U.S. Presidents.

In the early Thirties, Thyssen and Flick sold their interests in Consolidated Steel to Union Banking. Now under the complete control of Harriman and Bush, Consolidated changed its name to Silesian American Corporation, part of the Harriman 15. In the late Thirties, Bush became managing director of Union Bank and took over the day-to-day operations of the German investments. As it became clear that war was coming, Bush and Harriman hired the Dulles brothers-Allen and John Foster- to camouflage the Nazi stake in Union Banking. Even as they concealed their close dealings with the Nazis, Prescott Bush and Harriman must have known that their activities were both illegal and contrary to the best of interests of their country.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-bush/bush-family-history-pt2.htm



Bonus Freeper NAZI Link:

The NAZIfication of America

http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step4.htm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. The link you provided
is a *MUST-READ* for anyone who wants to get up to speed.

:hi: :loveya: :hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:14 AM
Response to Original message
26. By the thousands, the people of Holland let Bush know that he sucks
and is a RW extremist war criminal, the people of Holland were out in their streets protesting his presence just like the people of Italy were out in the streets of Rome not long ago booing and jeering his lying ass as he made a break to climb into his armored car.

Those same people in Rome warmly greeted President Clinton when he walked in the streets as a sightseer.

Why does domestic protest get ignored?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. Thanks for the heads-up, bobthedrummer!
No one likes a loser. Remember how Americans greeted the crazy monkey in 2001 and this January with eggs, jeers, moons and raised middle fingers.

I read that the good Dutch people painted every billboard, wall and flat space along Bush's route from the airport to the military cemetery with comments expressing their displeasure over the little turd from Crawford's visit. The Dutch gov spent a small fortune the day before washing off, painting over and cleaning up the comments. Then, they posted guards along the way to make sure things stayed clean.

The lesson: Next time, save the comments until the evening before the event.

Regarding the blackout on domestic protest we must ask who owns the media? Six big corporations. And they each own a big piece of Bush.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:51 AM
Response to Original message
31. Nominated -Need One More n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. Thanks, chlamor! Remember CIA recruited Adolf Eichmann's henchmen.
Documents reveal CIA knowingly recruited five of Eichmann's associates

February 5, 2005
by Yossi Melman,
Haaretz

Five of Adolph Eichmann's Nazi assistants were recruited and employed by the Central Intelligence Agency after World War II, according to recently declassified intelligence documents.

The information came to light after a lengthy battle waged by the non-profit group, The National Security Archive, whose goal is to expose government documents under the framework of the Freedom of Information Act.

The newly-revealed documents are based on internal investigations in the CIA's history department. The agency has steadfastly refused to make the documents public for fear they would cause embarassment.

The revelations cast a negative light not only on American intelligence activity but also the U.S. Army's conduct in Germany at the conclusion of the war. The military made efforts to recruit members of the SS and the Gestapo into its ranks despite simultaenously waging a campaign of de-Nazification over vanquished Germany, a process which included arresting and trying Nazi war criminals.

CONTINUED...

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1369.htm

Archived source. Couldn't find original.

The point is, Harriman-Dulles-Bush-axis of weasels were "associates" with the most brutal, vicious and murderous thugs this side of Stalin. Of course, they did business with the commies, too -- Stalin and Mao.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
32. In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold



MERCENARIES FOR HIRE
All this firepower, trained on a public which places its trust in uniformed guards, raises a variety of concerns: The private security industry is largely unregulated; its employees are often poorly trained, underpaid, and inadequately screened; and they serve only those who hired them. While rent-a cops are legally limited to observing, reporting and attempting to deter crime a power which falls short of the authorized use of force or the right to make an arrest the distinction is apt to be lost on most citizens accosted by a uniformed private guard waving a gun and security badge.
The history of businesses hiring security firms and using them like a private army is long and rife with abuse. Pinkerton, the nation's oldest and second largest security company, earned its spurs in the late 19th century when its guards served as a private army for robber barons intent on wiping out unions. Pinkerton provided the firepower when Ford Frick issued the order to gun down striking workers at Andrew Carnegie's Homestead steel plant in 1892.

Private security companies today have kept that union-busting tradition alive and well. As corporations faced with labor disputes turn more and more to so-called permanent replacement workers, guard firms are utilized to crush militant opposition from unions. A rapidly expanding subset of the industry specializes in strikebreaking.

At the forefront is the Special Response Corporation (SRC), based in Towson, Maryland, SRC's ads feature a uniformed agent wielding a riot shield beneath a headline which proclaims: A Private Army When You Need It Most. SRC promises prospective employers that we can provide the security and control measures necessary for the continued operation of the business in the event of a strike. SRC vouches for the professionalism of its agents, stating that they all have prior military or law enforcement experience. In 1990, SRC helped precipitate a melee when its guards used martial arts sticks against striking newspaper workers in New York City.

http://mediafilter.org/caq/CAQ54p.police.html

Tales of the strike-busters
Unionized workers knock heads with controversial security firms that specialize in picket-line intimidation
BY BRUCE LIVESEY
For Edwin Godinez it was a case of déjà vu. Prior to emigrating from the Philippines six years ago he'd grown accustomed to seeing soldiers dressed in riot gear beating up protesters and strikers. But when Godinez and 450 fellow workers went on strike last October against their employer, Mississauga-based CFM Majestic Inc., it was as if he had never left home.

As soon as the strike began, the workers were confronted by burly security guards outside the factory where CFM Majestic manufactures fireplaces and stoves. The guards had shaved heads, were dressed from head to toe in black uniforms and wore black caps and military boots. As the workers tried to block buses filled with replacement workers -- or scabs, as they're traditionally known -- from crossing the picket lines, the guards shoved the picketers out of the way. Aiming video cameras, they also filmed the strikers. These guards worked for an outfit called London Protection International Inc. (LPI), a security company that specializes in "labour unrest management" situations.

If LPI's intention was to frighten the workers -- the majority of whom are from the Philippines -- it didn't work. "Most of the Filipino workers had been college students back home and were used to this sort of police presence," says Godinez, a 35-year-old father of a baby daughter. "We were not really intimidated."

Even before negotiations with the United Steelworkers of America union broke down last fall, the company hired both LPI and Bill McFadden Ltd., an outfit owned by a former U.S. Navy SEAL who leases trucks and buses for transporting scabs (later prompting workers to brandish signs reading "Dump the Seal"). On CFM Majestic's behalf, LPI recruited scabs, herding them onto buses at a Mississauga baseball field while their guards cleared a path through picketers into the company's plant. "The people were constantly pushing and shoving picketers," says Garnet Penny, a Steelworkers area coordinator. The union responded by launching an effective corporate campaign that, after four weeks, compelled CFM Majestic to grudgingly offer a better first contract.

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_04.13.00/news/busters.html


When the union's inspiration through worker's blood shall run, There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun; Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one, For the union makes us strong

Is there taught we hold in common with the greedy
parasite; Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might? Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight? For the union makes us strong

It is we who ploughed the prairies, built the cities where they trade, Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid; Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made, But the union makes us strong


All the world that's owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone We have laid the wide foundations, built it skyward stone by stone. It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own. While the union makes us strong.

They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn, But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel will turn; But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel will turn; We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn; That the union makes us strong

In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold, Greater than the might of armies magnified a thousand fold; We can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old, For the union makes us strong.

"Solidarity," Words by Ralph Chaplin


The strike opened in Chicago with a display of great strength and much promise of success. Nearly 40,000 workers walked out on May 1 as pearranged, and the number jumped to 65,000 within three or four days. Nor was this the full stength of the movement in the city: More than 45,000 were granted a shorter working day without striking, the bulk of them -35,000-workers in the packing-houses. In addition, there were already several thousand men on strike at the Lake Shore, the Wabash, the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul, and other freight yards in protest against the hiring of non-union labor. With such a mass movement on foot, Chief of Police Ebersold apprehended dificulties and called upon the entire detective and police force to be on duty Saturday May 1; and his force was augmented by Pinkerton detective previously engaged by railroads, and by special deputies, many of whom were selected from the Grand Army of the Potomac. In spite of these martial preparations, Saturday passed peacefully. The city, with hundreds of factories idle and thousands of strikers and their families promenading the streets, had a holiday appearance. There were processions and mass meetings, addressed in Bohemian, Polish, German and English.

Faced with a strike of unexpected power and solidarity, the leading business men and manufacturers united to crush it. On April 27 the western Boot and Shoe Manufacturers Association, with 60 firms represented in person and 160 by letter, was formed in Chicago for combined action. The chief iron and steel foundries, as also the copper and brass, declared that they would reject the eight-hour demand. A session of the principal planing mills was held on the morning of May 1 at the office of Felix Lang to detemine procedure against the strikers. In the evening these were joined at Sherman Hotel by all the lumber yards and box factories and the lumber industry in concert decided to grant no concessions to the workmen.

Nevertheless, by Monday, May 3, the spread of the strike was alarming. Lumber-laden craft blocked the river near the Lumber Exchange, and 300 more vessels with cargoes of lumber were expected to join the idle fleet. The building interests , then enjoying a boom, were suddenly paralyzed. The great metal foundries and the vast freight yards were tied up. To break the strike aggressive action was needed. On Monday police clubs began to scatter processions and meetings.

That afternoon serious trouble arose at the McCormick Harvester Works. the soreness here was old. It had begun in the middle of February, when Cyrus McCormick locked out his 1400 employees in reply to a demand by the men that the company quit its discrimination against ccertain of their fellows who had taken part in a former strike at the plant. In the following two months strike-breakers, Pinkertons, and police had attacked the locked-out men with wanton savagery. bogart and Thompson say of this period:
http://my.execpc.com/~blake/haymar.htm

The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the voices



Commercial Photograph. "The Five Chicago Anarchists. November 11th, 1887. Retail price, 25 cts.
Special Collections & Preservation Division, Chicago Public Library

The only original photographs, taken May 3rd, 1887, in the County Jail, by J. J. Kanberg, 433 E. Division St., Chicago.

To the Public! Ten per cent from the Retail Price, on all copies sold, will be kept separately as a fund in favor of the Anarchist's children. J. J. Kanberg, Photographer."

The five men are clockwise from 1:00 o'clock:

A. R. Parsons
Adolph Fischer
George Engel
August Spies
Louis Lingg (in the middle with two letter g's at the end of his name).

The first four were hanged on Friday, November 11, 1887. Lingg committed suicide on November 10, 1887 by lighting a stick of dynamite in his mouth.
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/haymarket ...
...

The rally began about 8:30 p.m. May 4 at the Haymarket, a site on Randolph between Halsted and Des Plaines Street, but due to low attendance it was moved a half block away to Des Plaines Street north of Randolph Street. After 10 p.m., as the rally drew to a close, 176 policemen led by Inspector John Bonfield moved in demanding immediate dispersal of the remaining 200 workers. Suddenly a bomb exploded. In the chaos that followed shots were fired by police and perhaps by workers. One police officer was killed by the bomb, six officers died later and sixty others were injured. No official count was made of civilian deaths or injuries probably because friends and/or relatives carried them off immediately. Medical evidence later showed that most of the injuries suffered by the police were caused by their own bullets.

All well known anarchists and socialists were rounded up and arrested in the days following the riot. Thirty one of them were named in criminal indictments and eight held for trial.

Although the bomb thrower has never been identified the eight indicted men were convicted by a court which held that the "inflammatory speeches and publications" of these eight incited the actions of the mob. The Illinois and U.S. Supreme Courts upheld the verdict.

On November 11, 1887 four of the accused were hanged. One committed suicide in jail, two had their sentences commuted to life in prison and one remained in prison even though there was no case against him.

After John P. Altgeld became Governor in 1893, the petitions for pardon that had been presented to and refused by his predecessor Richard Oglesby, were again introduced. After a careful review of the case Altgeld granted a full pardon on June 26, 1893. In his remarks he claimed the jury was selected to convict and the judge so prejudiced against the defendants that a fair trial was impossible.

Two Chicago area monuments were erected to commemorate the Haymarket Riot. One stands in German Waldheim Cemetery (Forest Park, IL). It depicts Justice preparing to draw a sword while placing a laurel wreath on the brow of a fallen worker. At the base of the monument are the final words August Spies spoke before his execution: "The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you are throttling today." The monument was dedicated on June 25, 1893, before a crowd of 8,000.

"In the name of the people I command peace" reads the inscription below the police officer depicted on the second monument. Since its dedication in 1889 peace has been somewhat elusive.

The monument was originally situated in the middle of Haymarket Square, where street car lines were forced to swerve around it. On May 24, 1890 an attempt was made to blow it up. In 1900 the monument was regarded as a traffic hazard and moved to Union Park at Randolph and Ogden Ave. On May 4, 1903 the city seal and state crest were stolen from its base. A disgruntled streetcar driver ran his vehicle into it, knocking it off its base on May 4, 1927, claiming he was tired of seeing it. On May 4, 1928, after repairs were completed, it was moved further into Union Park. The statue was again moved on May 4, 1958 and placed at Randolph St. at the Kennedy Expressway, 200 feet from its original location. The Chicago City Council granted the monument landmark status on May 4, 1965. In October, 1969 a dynamite bomb exploded at the feet of the figure damaging it from the calves down. In November black printers ink was tossed on it, doing further damage. Another bomb was exploded there in October 1970. After each incident the monument was restored, but after the 1970 incident Mayor Richard J. Daley placed a round-the-clock police guard at the site. When this proved too costly, the statue was moved to Police Headquarters at 11th and State Street in 1972. In October, 1976 the monument was again moved. It was rededicated at the Police Academy and can only be seen by making arrangements in advance. Peace.
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/haymarket

When 300 Pinkerton Detectives came ashore at Andrew Carnegie's Homestead mill on July 6, 1892, they had no idea of the extreme violence with which locked-out steelworkers would greet them. A hail of stones, then bullets, ripped the air. Steelworker William Foy and the captain of the Pinkertons fell wounded.

On June 29, despite the union's willingness to negotiate, Frick closed the mill and locked out 3,800 men. Two days later, workers seized the mill and sealed off the town from strike-breakers. Frick summoned a private police force, the Pinkerton Detective Agency, to protect the non-union workers he planned to hire.

Virtually the entire town flooded to the mill to meet the Pinkertons, weapons in hand. "To be confronted with a gang of loafers and cut-throats from all over the country, coming there, as they thought, to take their jobs, why, they naturally wanted to go down and defend their homes and their property and their lives, with force, if necessary," recalled one worker.

For twelve hours, a fierce battle raged. Outgunned by the Pinkertons' Winchester rifles, Homestead's citizens scoured the town for weapons, pressing into service everything from ancient muzzle loaders to a 20-pound cannon. A local hardware merchant donated his entire stock of ammunition, which workers carried to the mill in wheelbarrows. As workers built barricades on shore, the Pinkertons cut rifle ports in the sides of their barges. Meanwhile, news of the battle had reached nearby Pittsburgh. By 6 am more than 5,000 curious spectators lined the riverbanks
http://www.horizonshelpr.org/socsci/labor1890/handouts/homestead.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:55 PM
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38. There's zero love for the working man from NAZIs or Big Capital.


GIULIANI, JEWS, ART & FASCISM

BY SAM SMITH

EXCERPT...

"Let us not mince words, they said. "Corporatism is fascism with a human face." The Nazis had their own word for it: wehrwirtschaft, semantically linking wehr (for defense, bulwark, weapon) with wirtshaft (for housekeeping, domestic economy, husbandry) to describe an economy based on the assumption of warfare. The concept was not new, however. William Shirer points out in The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich that 18th and 19th century Prussia devoted 70% of its revenue to the army and "that nation's whole economy was always regarded as primarily an instrument not of the people's welfare but of military policy." In Hitler's Germany even the pogroms were part of national economic planning, seizing Jewish shops and companies and replacing Jewish workers with the Ayrian unemployed.

Hitler argued that "private enterprise cannot be maintained in a democracy," and denounced "the freedom to starve," in a country which had known as many as six million without jobs. Wrote William Shirer, "In taking away that last freedom, Hitler assured himself of the support of the working class."

The link between business and fascism was clear to German corporatists. Auschwitz was not just a way to get rid of Jews, it was also a major source of cheap labor. As Richard Rubenstein points out in The Cunning of History, "I.G. Farben's decision to locate at Auschwitz was based upon the very same criteria by which contemporary multinational corporations relocate their plants in utter indifference to the social consequences of such moves." I.G. Farben invested over a billion dollars in today's money at Auschwitz and, thanks to the endless supply of labor, adopted a policy of deliberately working the Jewish slaves to death. In such ways do economics and freedom become intertwined. Those who think it can't happen here should consider that four days before Mussolini became premier, he met with a group of industrialists and assured them that his aim "was to reestablish discipline within the factories and that no outlandish experiments .... would be carried out." In Friendly Fascism, Bertram Gross notes that Mussolini also won "the friendship, support or qualified approval" of the American ambassador, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Thomas Lamont, many newspapers and magazine publishers, the majority of business journals, and quite a sprinkling of liberals, including some associated with both the Nation and The New Republic. "

Orwell understood fascism. One of the characteristics of his inner party, the ten percent who controlled the rest, was that there was no sexual or racial discrimination. He understood that ethnic eradication, while characteristic of nazism, was not required for fascism. Even earlier, Aldous Huxley set up a similar non-discriminatory dystopia in Brave New World.

In fact, one of the characteristics of the modern propaganda state is the use of ethnic and sexual iconography to cover its tracks. Thus Richard Nixon was slurring Jews in Oval Office conversations even as he set a new record in their high-level appointments. And W.J. Clinton was called our first black president by Toni Morrison even as the government was sending young black males to prison in unprecedented numbers.

CONTINUED...

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/fascist.htm
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:28 PM
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43. Rudy is a Man of Law and Order
1993, New York City: Citizens of the largest city in the United States live in fear of a seemingly endless crime wave. Violent attacks on evening joggers, frequent shootings and constant muggings, leading sensationally on the evening news, have city residents on edge. The nation freshly remembers its last President, George Bush proclaiming that he will “end the scourge of drugs” and crack cocaine that he says is sweeping inner cities and turning parks into war zones. The city’s federal Prosecutor, Rudolph Giuliani, runs for mayor and is elected on a promise to make life safe for New Yorkers.

2003, Mexico City: Residents of América’s largest metropolis live in fear of kidnappings, rape, and murder. A city perceived by the foreign press as “lacking rule of law” stumbles through another decade of the drug war with crime on the rise. Enter Rudy Giuliani to bring his crime fighting expertise to Mexico City’s embattled residents – many of whom call themselves Chilangos.

The formula is largely the same, except that this time Giuliani wasn’t elected. He was not hired by any public agency or official. His consulting firm, Guiliani Partners LLC, was hired by a group of private business interests led by Carlos Slim, Mexico’s richest man, for a stated price tag of $4.3 million. But when Giuliani Partners announced its 146 recommendations of how to fight crime in the nation’s capital, Mexico City’s police chief and Mayor hailed the recommendations and announced they would adopt every single one.

<snip>

Fraga says the report is basically the re-application, with a few modifications, of Giuliani’s famed “Zero tolerance” strategy from New York, which itself was copied from George Kelling’s 1980’s “No More Broken Windows” study. Kelling’s thesis held that by cracking down on low-level crimes, a respect for authority would develop, eradicating an incipient “culture of crime.” Giuliani recently denied that he subscribes to “zero tolerance” measures for Mexico City, but his report notes that small crimes should be made a priority: “They should respect and comply with the law, which includes simple actions like obeying traffic signals and not offering bribes to police officers.” Indeed, the report calls for harsh drug penalties in drug free school zones, for eliminating prostitution on the streets, for anti-graffiti and anti-noise police units, and for a crackdown on the informal economy of squeegee men, street children who perform magic tricks for pesos, and frenaleros who watch over parked cars for a few pesos.

While the report also calls for reorganizing the police force, combating corruption, and revising the criminal justice system, the Mexican public quickly jumped on the recommendations carrying the most immediate consequences: crackdowns on “quality of life” crimes. As squeegee-man Israel Jorge Peralta, 17, told the New York daily Newsday, “If they put me in jail for this, who will feed my family? Why should I be punished for trying to earn money honestly when there are no jobs?” Human rights groups denounced the move to criminalize the city’s more than 20,000 homeless children, without offering adequate alternatives. Perhaps the most significant challenge came from Mexico City’s District Attorney Bernardo Batíz Vásquez, who declared to reporters that some of the recommendations run contrary to the Mexican Constitution, leading many to question whether the Giuliani team had done its homework.

http://www.narconews.com/Issue31/article867.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:47 PM
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41. Private armies and mercenaries, both are employed by The War President
in his Crusade-and the people pay for it with taxes, thankful they haven't been "terrorized" here in HOMELAND.

So it isn't a question of "do you support the troops" when many are not US military but private goons, racists and thugs.

One open-source method to track the mercenaries is financial.
The Center for Public Integrity has done their patriotic job in this regard.

Post-War Contractors Ranked by Total Contract Value in Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=total

Campaign Contributions of Post-War Contractors
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:13 PM
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34. And it ties to his FDR "attack-obsession." Nominated/Kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:03 PM
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39. Thanks, AuntiBush! Remember the 'Coup Against FDR'?
In 1933, Big Money didn't like FDR because they figured they were the ones who'd have to pay for the New Deal. So instead of sucking it up and forking it over, they decided to give Franklin the ziggy. The guy they approached to front the operation was U.S. Marine Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, two-time recipient of the Medal of Honor. Funny thing was, Butler was loyal to the U.S. Constitution -- not the power, fortune and prestige promised by the conspirators. So, he turned them in to the authorities.



The Attempted Coup Against FDR

By Barbara LaMonica

The John F. Kennedy assassination represents a theme in our political history. The causes, even the inevitability, of the assassination were born out of the power struggles among the ruling elite which are consistent throughout the American story. These struggles revolve around questions of what is the proper role of government vis a vis the business community’s pursuit of its own self-interest. Is the government’s role minimal or laissez-faire? Should government only provide a stable environment of "law and order", through increased police powers, conducive to the maximization of profits and the minimization of workers wages and benefits? Or does the government have a higher purpose? Is it responsible for the common good? Is it the one entity capable of implementing justice, equality, and a partial redistribution of wealth through the regulation and taxation of corporations in order to provide a cushion against the more egregious effects of the free market? Should it ensure the worker’s share in the profits they helped to create?

At various times factions of what has become known as "corporate America" have argued over which role of government is ultimately more advantageous to their own ends. Generally speaking, banking and Wall Street favor less government. Retail, light manufacturing and small to medium size corporations are more tolerant of an activist government which might put more money in the hands of their consumers, and protect small businesses against the unfair competitive practices of larger corporations.

The stock market crash of 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression dramatically thrust the question of government’s role to the forefront of American political and corporate life. The election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt represented a revolutionary realignment of political power: the ascendancy of the Democratic party facilitated by new voting coalitions of rural south and industrialized north which dislodged the Republican Party’s nearly seventy-year dominance, signaling the abandonment of laissez-faire economics in favor of state regulation. The losers in this political process coalesced into right-wing Republicanism, and the next sixty years of American history is, in part, the story of their attempt to regain power, reinstitute Lassiez-faire policies, and dismantle the New Deal.1 I would like to suggest that the forces behind the assassination of President Kennedy were born in the furies which the Great Depression unleashed between these competing sectors of American political and economic life.

I believe that in 1934 there was a foreshadowing of the JFK assassination. A conspiracy was uncovered in which right-wing elements of big business, namely the DuPont family and the Morgan banking interests, planned to finance and arm a veteran’s army to march on the White House and hold President Roosevelt captive.2 The conspiracy was reported by two- time Congressional Medal of Honor winner Marine Corps Major General Smedley Darlington Butler. Although the House Committee to Investigate Un-American Activities found his allegations credible, it failed to call major conspirators to testify, and the Committee deleted crucial testimony from its final report to the public. The press relegated the story to the back pages, and discredited those, including Major Butler, who tried to alert the public to the threat against republican government. No prosecutions were forthcoming from the Justice Department, in part because the main witness who would have substantiated Butler’s claims died suddenly from pneumonia at the age of 37. In short, there was a cover-up, maybe worse.

CONTINUED...

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html

How, um, patriotic -- as defined by today's tax-cuttin', loophole jumpin', offshore hidin' friend of the NAZI scum pluto-kleptocrat George Walker Bush.

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