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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:22 AM Original message |
Why I Think Repuke Strategists are Smarter than Us |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hard to be a democrat , especially when it comes to selling, casuistries! |
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skippyusmc (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. They May be Evil, but They Do Plan Better |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Let's up the ante on these "news" organizations.... |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. They Have A Planning Infrastructure - We Do Not |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
62. Agreed, mhr. Why are rich Dems so slow to fund the think tanks, |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
47. Hi skippyusmc!! |
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slaveplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Evil is always organized |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. Their strategists ARE smarter than Carville - time to get new strategists |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Yes irreconcilable, not progressive. |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 12:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Kerry's defeat was orchestrated by Shrum and Cahill. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. We wanted this |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The point I'm making |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. That's a good point |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. i think a lot of Dem voters didn't realize that Iraq was as big a wedge... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. That's Not Very Concise. "Earning A Living Wage Is A Family Value" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It's less than three sentences. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. The Repugs sidestep the MSM by organizing locally through all |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Me too |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. The main reason we lost Ohio |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. The Gay Marriage referendum |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Then why did Kerry win in Oregon and Michigan |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. The Electorate in Ohio is far more Conservative |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. No it didn't |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
37. We Lost Ohio Because Of BBV, Blackwell & NO Amount Of Planning Or |
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PowerToThePeople (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. True, we did not lose |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
7. personally, I don't think it's a question of smarts |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. A shitload of posts about '08 when.. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. actually this isn't about 2008 |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. No doubt ,everyday counts now.! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. The DNC is dominated by centrists. Appointing Dean as Chair |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. "Real progressives" if it can be confused, it ain't real.LIBERALS are. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. I agree...but with a footnote |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. "centrist"/corporatist Dems refuse to wield the power necessary to remove |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. I don't think Joe intentionally subverts the Dem party. He's not in the |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Lieberman is an Asshole |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. corporate responsibility = worker's rights |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. IIUC, Lieberman has decent union vote record. It's whoring for Account- |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 07:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
66. In that respect, he's no worse than Joe Biden. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Lieberman |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. Uh ... couple of things ....... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
16. All things being equal, I agree with you |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
17. They were not smart enough to keep... |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
21. I think you're absolutely right. Another DUer came up recently |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Now, You get my point |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Bingo! eom |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Yep. And when the wedge issues come up, they need to be framed... |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. it doesnt matter about poor results in polls regarding |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. But if you look at the polls, the issue didn't influence who showed up |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. yep |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. It would also be nice if we didn't run elites for President |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. yes well |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Clinton wasn't. He was straight out of the middle class with a story |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. sounds like you're talking about an image thing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I'm talking about an idea thing. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. well you raise good points |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'm saying we need to learn lessons from the past about what works |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I don't know... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. These rules are universal, and when everything else changes, they still... |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Ya, who wants candidates like FDR and JFK |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Nobody had any doubts about their convictions. Read Sidney Blumenthal's |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Like George Bush? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
25. Republicans are great at convincing people to prioritize issues in a way |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
72. Agreed --Generalized Fear was brilliantly exploited |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
31. It depends on what our strategic objectives are... |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. We can only make changes in a democracy |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. akido, using losses as a win |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. That May Be True |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
35. A. Ohio Was Stolen B. Emotional Issues Can/Do Dominate Discussion |
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Stirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
41. I couldn't disagree with you more. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. I agree with you, but see opportunity in the "problems" you posit |
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Stirk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You've got a good point. |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Sure, but |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
46. not smarter, simply less scrupulous |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. GOP spends its time figuring out how to win, we spend our time |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think you're ignorant of who started the gay marriage controversy. |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I know the whole story |
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losdiablosgato (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
68. I have been thinking this for awhile now |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. You've got it. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
69. Agreed. And I wish Progressives would quit giving Bush** a pass by... |
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PKG (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-09-05 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
80. Why I think Repuke strategists are smarter than ours: |
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