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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:55 AM
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Who needs Founding Fathers?
T'Jeff, T'Paine, & B'Frank are dead men who are screaming at us to remember what they said. They knew tyrrany and created a manifesto to fight back.

Now about 2-1/4 hundred years later, the exact horror they described is challenging the doctrine of a free people.

They warned of Church mixing with State. They had safeguards against corporate control of government. And most important, the majority could not enslave the minority.

So, here we are, pissing on those documents. Our F.F's if alive today would be cleaning out their mussel loaders and taking it to the streets.
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:00 AM
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1. Things haven't gotten bad enough yet for
armed revolution, but if this nations' foundations continue to shake, nothing could stop the revolution that will result.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:11 AM
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2. F'fathers
Isn't the minority enslaving the majority?

-85%
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:23 AM
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3. It won't happen...
I can't remember where I read it, but I found the most interesting account of how the Nazis turned Germany into a Fascist nation;

Gradually.

So gradually that no one saw cause to rise up. They all knew something bad was happening, but didn't want to seem 'crazy' or 'conspiracy minded' by speaking openly about it. They just kept waiting for the one thing that would push too far... and it never came.

Tiny.
Little.
steps.

The other thing our founding fathers did not fully expalain was how to break the harnessing of ignorance.

The reason we will not rise up to overthrow this wicked Government is because 'we' have been manipulated into a 'wall of ignorance'. Nearly half of America has been convinced that the 'intellectuals' are out to wreck the nation and the only way to stop them is to get 100% behind the Bush** policies.
Their envy for those who are better educated than they are has been molded into suspicion and distrust. If someone smart tells you that the people you support are wrong - they are just trying to manipulate you, so you had better not listen to them... no matter how reasonable or how much sense they make.

We're up shit's creek here folks.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:28 AM
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4. maybe today's 'mothers' should step up to the plate


women have a lot of power that's not even being used.
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:37 AM
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5. Absolutely.
If the women of this country rose up, ALL women, this would be a much different nation.
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