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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:19 PM
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Poll question: Should France apologize?
Edited on Sun May-08-05 05:20 PM by cestpaspossible
President Abdelaziz Bouteflika has called on France to admit its part in the massacres of 45,000 Algerians who took to the streets to demand independence as Europe celebrated victory over Nazi Germany on May 8, 1945.

Algeria is marking the 60th anniversary of the repression of pro-independence demonstrators under French colonial rule as Europeans celebrate the end of World War Two in Europe. "The paradox of the massacres of May 8, 1945, is that when the heroic Algerian combatants returned from the fronts in Europe, Africa and elsewhere where they defended France's honour and interests ... the French administration fired on peaceful demonstrators," Bouteflika said in a speech published by state media on Sunday.

Colonial forces launched an air and ground offensive against several eastern cities, particularly Setif and Guelma, in response to anti-French riots, which killed more than 100 Europeans. The crackdown lasted several days and according to the Algerian state left 45,000 people dead. European historians put the figure at between 15,000 and 20,000. It marks one of the darkest chapters in the history of Algeria and France, which ruled the North African country with an iron fist from 1830 until 1962.

France's ambassador to Algeria said in February that the Setif massacre was an "inexcusable tragedy". It was the most explicit comments by the French state on the disputed event.

"The Algerian people are still waiting for France ... that the declarations of the ambassador of France are followed by a more convincing gesture," Bouteflika said in the speech given in Setif on Saturday.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L08468008.htm

French troops fight to hold back Algerians demanding independence


Should France formally apologize?

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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:24 PM
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1. When France takes a land she wants to hold onto it forever
Not to sound anti-french but it's the truth.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:27 PM
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5. Like Alsace Lorraine?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:30 PM
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7. Like Haiti
The cool thing is they don't care that much about skin color though.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:30 PM
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8. What about the Louisiana Territory?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:34 PM
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9. Well the French cultural influence is still in Louisiana to this day
It's the only state in the union that practices Napoleonic law.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:39 PM
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10. But the territory was much larger than the state, and Louis sold it.
He was desperate for cash, but he sold it willingly.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:49 PM
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11. America is pretty reluctant to give
up its accumulations acquired through a relentless sweep Westward as was our manifest destiny.

The native Americans?

What about half of Mexico?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:04 PM
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13. Yeah but we took Texas, so who really got screwed there
;)
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:25 PM
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2. Sure, why not?
They could apologize for trying to hang onto Vietnam as well and getting us dragged into it when things went downhill for them there.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:25 PM
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3. Yes, a great nation such as France can afford to apologize. It's
only the two-bit ones which cannot afford to do so. None of the latter shall be named.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:26 PM
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4. God we should all just apologise
there's been so much murder and oppression in everyones history we should probably have an apology day every year.

America can apologize for genocide on the native Americans and slavery.

The Europeans for Imperial atrocities

Germany for the holocaust and always starting wars.

The Japanese to the whole of east Asia.

The Australians to the Aborigines


The.........

this could go on a bit actually
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:28 PM
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6. And what would be wrong with that?
Is there some problem with nations coming to grips with their past, accepting responsibility for their mistakes, and learning the lessons of history?
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:51 PM
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12. I wasn't being sarcastic
i was actually trying to highlight how much needs apologizing for. I think i'll stick to plain English.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:26 PM
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14. Kick for more votes
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:02 PM
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15. I'm still waiting for the Romans to apologize.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:52 AM
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16. Gengis Khan
has got alot of fuckin explaining to do as well
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:02 AM
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17. Colonialism is bad, no matter who is the colonizer...
Edited on Mon May-09-05 09:02 AM by SidDithers
Thankfully, most* countries are getting out of the colony bidness.

Sid

* obvious exception notwithstanding


Edit: speeling
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