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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 04:44 AM
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The Dubious Suicide of George Tenet (I talked to some intel heavies)
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 03:13 PM by WilliamPitt
Things have reached a pretty pass indeed when you apologize for making a mistake, but nobody believes your apology. So it is today with CIA Director Tenet, and by proxy George W. Bush and his administration.

On Friday evening, CIA Director Tenet publicly jumped on the Niger evidence hand grenade, claiming the use in Bush’s State of the Union Address in January 2003 of data from known forgeries to support the Iraq war was completely his fault. He never told Bush’s people that the data was corrupted, and it was his fault those “sixteen words” regarding Iraqi attempts to procure uranium from Niger for a nuclear program made it into the text of the speech.

Problem solved, right? Condoleezza Rice and Don Rumsfeld had been triangulating on Tenet since Thursday, claiming the CIA had never informed the White House about the dubious nature of the Niger evidence. Tenet, like a good political appointee, fell on his sword and took responsibility for the error. On Saturday, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told the press corps that Bush had “moved on” from this controversy.

Not so fast, said the New York Times editorial board. The paper of record for the Western world published an editorial on Saturday entitled “The Uranium Fiction.” The last time the Times editors used language this strong was when Bush, in a moment of seemingly deranged hubris, tried to nominate master secret-keeper Henry Kissinger to chair the 9/11 investigation:

“It is clear, however, that much more went into this affair than the failure of the C.I.A. to pounce on the offending 16 words in Mr. Bush's speech. A good deal of information already points to a willful effort by the war camp in the administration to pump up an accusation that seemed shaky from the outset and that was pretty well discredited long before Mr. Bush stepped into the well of the House of Representatives last January. Doubts about the accusation were raised in March 2002 by Joseph Wilson, a former American diplomat, after he was dispatched to Niger by the C.I.A. to look into the issue. Mr. Wilson has said he is confident that his concerns were circulated not only within the agency but also at the State Department and the office of Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Tenet, in his statement yesterday, confirmed that the Wilson findings had been given wide distribution, although he reported that Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and other high officials had not been directly informed about them by the C.I.A.”

The sun came up over Washington DC on Sunday and shined on copies of the Washington Post which were waiting patiently to be read. The lead headline for the Sunday edition read, “CIA Got Uranium Reference Cut in October.” The meat of the article states:

“CIA Director George J. Tenet successfully intervened with White House officials to have a reference to Iraq seeking uranium from Niger removed from a presidential speech last October, three months before a less specific reference to the same intelligence appeared in the State of the Union address, according to senior administration officials.

“Tenet argued personally to White House officials, including deputy national security adviser Stephen Hadley, that the allegation should not be used because it came from only a single source, according to one senior official. Another senior official with knowledge of the intelligence said the CIA had doubts about the accuracy of the documents underlying the allegation, which months later turned out to be forged.”

What do we have here?

Here is CIA Director Tenet arguing in October of 2002 against the use of the Niger evidence, stating bluntly that it was useless. He made this pitch directly to the White House. These concerns were brushed aside by Bush officials, and the forged evidence was used despite the warnings in the State of the Union address. Now, the administration is trying to claim they were never told the evidence was bad. Yet between Tenet’s personal appeals in 2002, and Ambassador Wilson’s assurances that everyone who needed to know was in the know regarding Niger, it appears the Bush White House has been caught red-handed in a series of incredible falsehoods.

There are two more layers on this onion to be peeled. The first concerns Secretary of State Powell. One week after the Niger evidence was used by Bush in the State of the Union address, Powell presented to the United Nations the administration’s case for war. The Niger evidence was notably absent from Powell’s presentation. According to CBS News, Powell said, “I didn’t use the uranium at that point because I didn’t think that was sufficiently strong as evidence to present before the world.”

What a difference a week makes. The White House would have us believe they were blissfully unaware of the forged nature of their war evidence when Bush gave his State of the Union address, and yet somehow the Secretary of State knew well enough to avoid using it just seven days later. The moral of the story appears to be that rotten war evidence is not fit for international consumption, but is perfectly suitable for delivery to the American people.

The second layer to be peeled deals with the administration’s newest excuse for using the forged Niger evidence to justify a war. They are claiming now that they used it because the British government told them it was solid. Yet there was the story published by the Washington Post on July 11 with the headline, “CIA Asked Britain to Drop Iraq Claim.” The article states:

“The CIA tried unsuccessfully in early September 2002 to persuade the British government to drop from an official intelligence paper a reference to Iraqi attempts to buy uranium in Africa that President Bush included in his State of the Union address four months later, senior Bush administration officials said yesterday. ‘We consulted about the paper and recommended against using that material,’ a senior administration official familiar with the intelligence program said.”

We are supposed to believe that the Bush administration was completely unaware that their Niger evidence was fake. We are supposed to believe George Tenet dropped the ball. Yet the CIA actively intervened with the British government in September of 2002, telling them the evidence was worthless. The CIA Director personally got the evidence stricken from a Bush speech in October of 2002. Intelligence insiders like Joseph Wilson and Greg Thielmann have stated repeatedly that everyone who needed to know the evidence was bad had been fully and completely informed almost a year before the data was used in the State of the Union address.

In an interesting twist, the profoundly questionable nature of Tenet’s confession has reached all the way around the planet to Australia. I spoke on Sunday to Andrew Wilkie, a former senior intelligence analyst for the Office of National Assessments, the senior Australian intelligence agency which provides intelligence assessments to the Australian prime minister. Mr. Wilkie notes the following:

“In the last week in Australia, the Defense Intelligence Organization has admitted they had the information on the Niger forgeries and says they didn’t tell the Defense Minister. The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs has admitted they had the information on the Niger forgeries and didn’t tell the Foreign Minister. The place I used to work, the Office of National Assessments, has admitted publicly that they knew the Niger evidence was fake and didn’t tell the Prime Minister about it.

“You’ve got three intelligence organizations in Australia, the intelligence organizations in the US, and every one is saying they knew this was bad information, but not one political leader reckons they were told. All three organizations have said they didn’t give this information to their political leaders. It is unbelievable to the point of fantasy.”

I also spoke on Sunday with Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran of the CIA who was interviewed by truthout on these matters <a href=”http://truthout.org/docs_03/062603B.shtml”>on June 26 2003</a>. Mr. McGovern is not buying what the White House is trying to sell.

“Tenet’s confession is designed to take the heat off,” says McGovern, “to assign some responsibility somewhere. It’s not going to work. There’s too much deception here. For example, Condoleezza Rice insisted that she only learned on June 8 about Former Ambassador Wilson’s mission to Niger back in February 2002. That means that neither she nor her staff reads the New York Times, because Nick Kristof on May 6 had a very detailed explication of Wilson’s mission to Niger. In my view, it is inconceivable that her remark this week – that she didn’t know about Joe Wilson‘s mission to Niger until she was asked on a talk show on June 8 – that is stretching the truth beyond the breaking point.”

Andrew Wilkie crystallized the issue at hand by stating, “Remember that the sourcing of uranium from Niger was the only remaining pillar of the argument that Iraq was trying to reconstitute its nuclear program. By this stage, the aluminum tubes story about Iraq’s nuclear program had been laughed out of the room. That had been laughable since 2001, leaving the sourcing of uranium as the last key piece of evidence about Iraq reconstituting a nuclear program. It’s not just sixteen words.

“It is just downright mischievous to hear Condoleezza Rice on CNN this morning saying it was just sixteen words. It was worth a hell of a lot more than sixteen words. I can remember that October speech by Bush where he talked about “mushroom clouds” from Iraq. The nuclear story was always played up as the most emotive and persuasive theme. It wasn’t just sixteen words.”

A page on the White House’s own website describes the Bush administration’s central argument for war in Iraq. The Niger evidence is featured prominently, along with claims that Iraq was in possession of 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agents, almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents, and several mobile biological weapons labs. The Niger evidence has been destroyed, and the ‘mobile weapons labs’ have been shown to be weather balloon launching platforms. The vast quantities of anthrax, botulinum toxin, sarin, mustard gas and VX, along with the munitions to deliver them, have completely failed to show up.

Many people quail at the idea that the President and his people could have lied so egregiously. What was in it for them? Besides the incredible amounts of money to be made from the war by oil and defense corporations like Halliburton and United Defense, two companies with umbilical ties to the administration, there was an “ancillary benefit to all this,” according to Ray McGovern. “Not only did the President get an authorization to make war, but there was an election that next month, the November midterms. The elections turned out surprisingly well for the Bush administration because they were able to use charges of being ‘soft on Saddam’ against those Democratic candidates who voted against the war.”

As Andrew Wilkie says, this issue is not about sixteen words in a speech. It is about lies and American credibility. “All of this breaking news is actually distracting us from the core issue,” says Wilkie. “The core issue is the credibility gap. We were sold this war on the promise that Iraq had this massive WMD arsenal. Of course that hasn’t been found, and whatever might be found now is not going to satisfy in any way that description of the ‘massive’ arsenal, the ‘imminent threat,’ and all those great words used in Britain and Australia and Washington. We’ve got to be careful that, in debating the details on the issue of Tenet and Niger, we are not distracted from that core issue which is still left to be resolved.”
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:57 PM
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1. Excellent info, Will...
...and thank you for pulling this all together. Actually, I think Tenet's strategy was brilliant! It costs absolutely NOTHING to take the blame and let others figure out exactly where the blame should lie!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:58 PM
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2. excellent
"As Andrew Wilkie says, this issue is not about sixteen words in a speech. It is about lies and American credibility. "

INDEED. Remember how the rightwing railed on - hell, CONTINUES to harp on - "IT'S THE LYING" regarding Clinton. Funny how now it's all all about exaggeration or being misled or not just plain not knowing. I am absolutely disgusted.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:01 PM
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4. Thanks Will!
:)
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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:04 PM
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5. He didn't say they didn't know, he said
he *didn't stop them from lying.* That is what he took responsibility for. As far as I can see from reading Tenet's entire statement, he did not take BushCo off the hook at all. And no one can claim he never told them the letter was fake - it's already too well known that Cheney was definitely told, and furthermore he preventing the Niger letter statement from being used in a previous speech in Oct. 02.

I admire Tenet for what he did. There's an interesting dynamic that occurs when one person takes full responsibility for their role in a problem, no matter how small that role was. I believe he will be the catalyst for great good. Wait and see.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:52 PM
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25. That was precisely my interpretation.
He knew damn good and well they were gonna say it, so he didn't sign off on it. The blame falls squarely on the Administration.
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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:10 PM
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39. LOL! My apologies - I was running out the door
when I read this and didn't notice who had written it - nor get the chance to finish it. You, Will, would definitely never miss what Tenet was really saying.

I replied quickly without waiting till later to read the whole thing because I think what Tenet did is really amazing and cannot go to waste. So, I am on a campaign to "bang the drum of truth" about this wherever the subject comes up.

Again, my apologies, Will!
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phishhead Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:06 PM
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6. Outstanding.
Keep it coming, Will.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:10 PM
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7. A good point, Pitt...
"The moral of the story appears to be that rotten war evidence is not fit for international consumption, but is perfectly suitable for delivery to the American people."
===============================================================
And George Bush meets with the CIA each and every day. Are we to believe this subject was never brought up??

As for the "16 little words". The Repub Party turned against Poppy for six little words- "Read my lips - no new taxes". So if six little words can be so significant, it is a difficult argument to suggest 16 little words do not matter...
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:15 PM
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30. More Poppy redux
"The White House would have us believe they were blissfully unaware of the forged nature of their war evidence when Bush gave his State of the Union address."

Ah, so 43 "was out of the loop" - reminder: didn't work for Poppy.

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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:52 PM
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37. That may be the case with Bush....
...he may be "blissfully unaware" of...anything! If he were really pressed about the SOTU address, maybe, once and for all he would tell the real truth: "Hey, don't blame me...they hand me a piece of paper and I read it!"
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:11 PM
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8. Nice work, Will.
:thumbsup:!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:16 PM
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9. great, great stuff here
Thanks for the article.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:18 PM
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10. Great work, Will
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:34 PM
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13. So does Condi Rice know anything?
Considering the fact that she is the head of the NSA and supposedly has access to information and resources that we can only dream about, how come she doesn't know shit? What is wrong with this picture? She is either a liar, stupid or incompetent. Pick One.

BTW: Someone should ask her if what she knows about Project Bojinka. Because obviously, if she still claims no one ever thought people would fly/drive planes into buildings, she hasn't done her homework.





As usual, good stuff. I really like the umbilical cord reference.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:23 PM
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11. 2002 election connection
Snip>

Many people quail at the idea that the President and his people could have lied so egregiously. What was in it for them? Besides the incredible amounts of money to be made from the war by oil and defense corporations like Halliburton and United Defense, two companies with umbilical ties to the administration, there was an “ancillary benefit to all this,” according to Ray McGovern. “Not only did the President get an authorization to make war, but there was an election that next month, the November midterms. The elections turned out surprisingly well for the Bush administration because they were able to use charges of being ‘soft on Saddam’ against those Democratic candidates who voted against the war.”

Snip>

This chronological connection with the 2002 election often gets overlooked.

LOTS of interesting stuff here, thanks.
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:24 PM
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12. A Coyote Kick
Zomby-style. ;-) :kick:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:35 PM
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14. WOOF!
:)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:52 PM
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15. Dems were not getting the information to make an informed vote
on the UN resolution....

From Eschaton, -

"When Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-California, who sits on the intelligence committee, sent Bush a letter on Sept. 17, 2002, requesting he urge the CIA to produce a National Intelligence Estimate, a report that would have showed exactly how much of a threat Iraq posed, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice said in the post 9–11 world the U.S. cannot wait for intelligence because Iraq is too much of a threat to the U.S."

Couldn't wait for that intelligence estimate, eh, Condi?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:39 PM
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32. Oh that is very juicy info Old.. n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:30 PM
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35. And Dianne, who was born yesterday...
Never questioned a word?

I dunno. I get nervous thinking my reps are more naive than I am.

I want them canny, wiley, and able to fight dirty with a sigh.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:54 PM
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42. Ever play poker against the house?
you have a hand that could win, but....the house knows the odds and they have a lot more chips than you do.

Do you fold or bluff?

I think you fold and wait until the odds are more in your favor. Except, in politics, you get to review the earlier hands played, cuz maybe the house cheated.
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:57 PM
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16. I think it's just a matter a time until
someone in the * administration finally "spills the beans". Here's hoping that Tenet is the person. My hope is that he is fired from the CIA and writes the book that will topple this house of cards.

Not just the obvious players like Condi, Rummy, Cheney et al. but their enablers in Congress. This administration is an abomination it is more than just Democrats vs. Republicans. It is about the rape of an entire system of government.

Nixon, Reagon and Bush I were just the forerunners and they just "tested" the waters to see how much they could get away with. This administration is the culmination of an earlier experiment and it will take a generation to undo all the damage.




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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:00 PM
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17. 3 questions
1. the "war camp within the administartion" i assume is the PNAc crew, who within the admin is on the other side?

2. do you think it was a quid pro quo for Tenet? Fall on the grenade or lose your job?

3. Powell at the UN. Was not Tenet there at the security council meeting? I understand that the admin had been sandbagging the Int. Atomic Agency on their Iraq nuclear info, and the director of the agency was waiting with baited breath for the evidence. They already knew the Niger connection was bogus, thats why it was held back?

Great report. thanks
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:56 PM
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27. Powell at the UN . . .
I remember seeing that and I remember very well how uncomfortable both Powell and Tenet looked, especially Powell. He knew he was pushed into lying and I THINK HE KNEW THE TRUTH WOULD COME OUT.

I can just imagine what the rest of the wi=orld is thinking about this once-great nation now.

Sad, so, so sad.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:50 PM
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36. That's what I thought too
I thought that Powell's attitude was kind of like "They're making me do this and I'm not too thrilled about it." And Tenent sitting behind him looked like he wanted to be somewhere else. To me, it was like their expressions and attitude were undercutting the sales job they were supposed to be doing.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:17 PM
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41. If you read Powell's speech to the UN
(start about halfway down)
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm

it's really heavily tilted in favor of: these are the weapons we know they HAD, and they haven't really shown us proof of destruction. I thought the words were pretty heavily parsed for the speech, which would explain why it was that he spent "four days -- and nights!" at the CIA going over the "evidence."

Eloriel
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:53 PM
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47. More like poker to me
THEY KNEW that OTHER People knew and they could call their bluff right then and there. As a matter a fact, the French Ambassador tried to.
What a game! Everyone knew, cept Cheney
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:20 AM
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57. Or lose your job?
If it is a quid pro quo, it has to be for more than just his job. He is most likely going to lose his job anyway. Either he sees the writing on the wall, and is trying to innoculate himself from scrutiny, or he has been promised something to take the fall.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:08 PM
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18. Exellent article as always
hmmm - so they actually think that we the people will let bygones be bygones? Noone - not even freepers - like to be made fools of.
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:09 PM
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19. strong case that Bush is a certified liar, even treasonous
great stuff Will.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:10 PM
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20. The Flip Side? What was TRUE in the SOTU & Powell's UN Presentation?
Sure Powell left out the "Yellow cake" cupcake. But He DID include the PLAGARIZED work of the grad student in California. These guys have been "cheating on their homework" for years. Powell all the way back to the heinous My Lai Massacare. He's a God Damned House Servant, and it's W's House!:puke: :puke: :nopity: :nuke:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:21 PM
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21. Shit, I wish I could write like that.
But I can't and you can luckily for us. Thanks Mr. Pitt. Real nice piece of work. You are a true patriot.

Don

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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:39 PM
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22. My thoughts --
First, Will, thanks for another great piece.

But what I just can't understand is why our "representatives" in Congress didn't see through all these lies? I mean, we all knew about them, and as mentioned in your piece, so did some of the "media". (see link to Krisof's op-ed -
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/articles/030506-kristof.html)

This is why I absolutely can't support Kerry and others of his ilk who supported the war. They didn't even have the foresight to ask the administration about the post-war plans and now they think they can attack bush, etal. They should've been doing this BEFORE the war.



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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:42 PM
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33. That one bothers me too. I would like to know what they read. n/t
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:40 PM
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23. Just sixteen words
"I'm not a crook." was just four.

The whole speech was built around that statement. Analyze the structure: those words were at the veritable epicenter of the rhetoric. They were the fear-engendering mushroom cloud to TERRORIZE THE WORLD around which the whole FETID STENTORIAN BLATHER was constructed.

Simple analysis shows them to be the "knife in the heart" accusation against Hussein; by definition of oratorical construction, the brevity PROVES their importance.

Yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre is just one word...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:45 PM
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24. It was probably jump on the guilt grenade or
be found floating down a river in a canoe, dead, one day, ala Bill Colby.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:03 PM
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28. With all the insider info Tenet has
I actually took the title of this article at face value. I hope he has loyal protection.
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Aaron Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:54 PM
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26. Very good read. Thank you Mr. Pitt (n/t)
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:12 PM
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29. ** applause ** -- I liked where you were going in next-to-last paragraph.
You decided to back off it, a bit, in the last para, but you got the point made. The point, of course, is that the current US government itself (specifically, the recaptured Republican majority in the Senate) only exists because of criminality & fraud.

This meshes nicely with a "president" who took office by means of criminality & fraud.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:44 PM
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34. People don't steal elections for honorable reasons.
And now we see how true that it.

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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:23 PM
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31. Here's a link/story that I posted 7/11 about the Australian fiasco...
also posted that day in the WMW was a story about how the Tory leader in Britain was saying Blair hadn't shared files with him when he
(Blair) said he did.....Blair changing the timeline....


3//The Sydney Morning Herald July 11 2003
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/10/1057783288234.html

OFFICIALS KNEW OF DODGY IRAQ FILE
By Mark Riley and Craig Skehan

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) admitted last night that it knew intelligence on Iraq's nuclear program was questionable shortly before the Prime Minister, John Howard, presented it to Parliament to build a case for war.

The revelation will deepen the damaging controversy about the Government's use of flawed intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities.

The department claims it did not tell Mr Howard or the Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, of information from the American State Department in January that cast doubt on claims that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa.

This follows the extraordinary admission yesterday by Australia's peak intelligence agency, the Office of National Assessments (ONA), that it received the same information but had also failed to pass it on to Mr Howard.

The State Department assessment questioned a British dossier, distributed in September last year, that said Iraq had sought uranium from Africa to reconstitute its nuclear program.

Mr Howard cited the now discredited African intelligence in a statement to Parliament on February 4 to support his case against Iraq.

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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:54 PM
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38. !
Thanks for the great info!

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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:14 PM
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40. 'An attack by Iraq on the US could be devastating to our economy'
and, the tape recovered in the park with rove saying to keep on talking about iraq prior to the mid-term elections.

as i was reading your article it was triggering these additional misrepresentations and many others related to this manufactured war.

excellent article- i truely enjoyed it.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:42 PM
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43. Will you MUST ask them about the "Pentagon's Office of Special Plans"....
I've been screaming about the "Pentagons Office of Special Plans" for weeks all over the net...bush* created this little agency because he didn't like CIA"s intel...finally someone heard...Albany Times Union!!!


http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=151012&category=NATIONAL&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=7/13/2003



Planners faulted in Iraq chaos
Officials describe a secretive circle of senior civilians that shut out advice of CIA, State Department experts

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY and WARREN P. STROBEL, Knight-Ridder
First published: Sunday, July 13, 2003

WASHINGTON -- The small circle of senior civilians in the Defense Department who dominated U.S. planning didn't prepare for the chaos and violence embroiling postwar Iraq, according to senior government officials.
The officials didn't develop any real postwar plans because they believed that Iraqis would welcome U.S. troops with open arms and Washington could install a favored Iraqi exile leader as the country's leader. The Pentagon civilians ignored CIA and State Department experts who disputed them, resisted White House pressure to back off from their favored exile leader, and had no backup plan when their scenario collapsed amid increasing violence and disorder.

Today, American forces face instability in Iraq, where they are losing soldiers almost daily to escalating guerrilla attacks, the cost of occupation is exploding to almost $4 billion a month and withdrawal appears untold years away.

The story of the flawed postwar planning process was gathered in interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior government officials.

"There was no real planning for postwar Iraq," said a former senior U.S. official who left government recently.

Ultimately, the responsibility for ensuring that post-Saddam planning anticipated all possible complications lay with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, current and former officials said.

The Pentagon planning group, directed by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, the department's No. 3 official, included hard-line conservatives who had long advocated using the American military to overthrow Saddam. Its day-to-day boss was William Luti, a former Navy officer who worked for Vice President Dick Cheney before joining the Pentagon.

The Pentagon group insisted on doing it its way because it had a visionary strategy that it hoped would transform Iraq into an ally of Israel, remove a potential threat to the Persian Gulf oil trade and encircle Iran with U.S. friends and allies. The problem was that officials at the State Department and CIA thought the vision was badly flawed and impractical, so the Pentagon planners simply excluded their rivals from involvement.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:11 PM
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45. I'll second that.
The OSP may well have been, in fact, illegal. If not, it should be. NOBODY in the government should be able to set up an agency that passes purported intel directly to the POTUS without it being first vetted by the CIA. That was the whole fucking point of the National Security Act of 1947 that set up the CIA in response to Pearl Harbor.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:57 PM
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44. They have all this damning evidence, yet...
We keep hearing about ALL the evidence that the Might Bush Administration has amassed that has proven that Saddam was an imminent threat to the US and neighbors in the region. Lots and lots. Really.

As usual, they have been quite secretive about details -- not sharing them with with the people, other members of our government (i.e. Congress), or the UN when they were in Iraq hunting for these deadly WMDs. When, however, they do release a specific piece of evidence -- it is quickly proven false or otherwise discredited. Funny, huh?

Still, they're spinning that these 16 silly little words meant nothing, that they're were tons of other evidence that they have. How they laugh at us for being so silly as to be so upset about 16 little words when they have so many facts, real facts!! Ha ha ha.

But everytime one of these facts comes to light, they are false.

It is just another part of the pattern of secrecy and deception and hidden agenda of the Bush administration.

Apart from being very talented cons, you have to give them credit for being superb poker players. Time and time again they KNOW they have been caught, but smirky puts on his poker face, bluffs, and gets away with it yet again.

We MUST call smirky's bluff.

The more close calls he has, the bolder he gets about what he thinks he can get away with.
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Friar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:24 PM
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46. yes
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 09:25 PM by Friar
but when is someone going to ask WHY was this document created? I think this is deeper than has been probed as of yet. It's not just the tip o' the iceberg thing.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:11 PM
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48. "16 Words" Is Their Fatal Error - They have just given us a great gift.
The "Bush Lies" issue has just been boiled down to a single question for the public. This is the 14 minute gap in the tape. This is O.J.'s glove. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." Some people will follow the nuances of the litany of lies, but for others it has to be boiled down to a single question. Were the 16 words a lie?

Beautiful essay, WP. This is the heart of it for me:

“It is just downright mischievous to hear Condoleezza Rice on CNN this morning saying it was just sixteen words. It was worth a hell of a lot more than sixteen words. I can remember that October speech by Bush where he talked about “mushroom clouds” from Iraq. The nuclear story was always played up as the most emotive and persuasive theme. It wasn’t just sixteen words.”

The Trifecta by which we will hang him on these nuclear lies is the 16 words, the mushroom cloud threats, and Tuwaitha.
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:39 PM
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51. This is brilliant and concise, Steph!
eom
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EFF BrandyWine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:55 PM
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49. As ever, Mr Pitt, you expose the heart of the matter.
I have been trying for some time to justify, in my own mind, the fact that so many Democrats went along with Bush. Now I have come to the conclusion that the sixteen words had much to do with their votes. What is the most frightening scenario one can possibly imagine? A nuclear bomb in the hands of an enemy! This, I think, was what tipped the scale in favor of pre-emptive war.

Chemical and biological weapons deteriorate over time, so I think that if they "find" anything in Iraq it will be planted. Too much time has elapsed and they appear too desperate, which means we aren't the only people who won't believe them if suddenly they shout; "Eureka! Here it is! We told you so!" And the Brits will long remember that Tony Blair told them Saddam could activate weapons and attack them in 45 minutes.

As for Iraq, I fear it will take a very long time and cost a great deal of lives and money before we finally are able to extricate ourselves. The people will eventually demand to know:

How long? A year? Five? Ten? Fifty?
At what cost to the taxpayers?
How many billions?

Number 43 will be long gone and someone else will have to clean up the mess for years to come. I fear for our country.
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:37 PM
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50. Terrific, Will!
I hope this essay is read by everyone in America.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:40 PM
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52. LINK for this essay
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batman Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:49 PM
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54. Thank YOU
Predictions???
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:51 PM
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55. Here's one
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LiberalTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:49 PM
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53. As usual:
How do we take this to the next level?

Why can't this lying sonnovabitch be impeached?

Your article is plain as day. Thanks, Will. Watch your back. :(
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:08 AM
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56. and remember how creepy his voice was....
..in SOTU?? Ick, ick. Icky man! Hide the children.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:27 AM
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58. the question that keeps pounding
in my head is HOW is the infrastructure of the CIA responding to this? Backstabbing and scapgoating have always been low on my totem pole...
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:15 AM
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59. idea for the smoking gun...
I think the smoking gun will be found during the British Parliament questioning. It will be a memo from a mid-level intel analyst who sent his suspicions up the line to a cabinet level official. Given the magnitude of the anti-war sentiment in Britain, I believe some of the British analysts were also anti-war.
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