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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:38 AM
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Poll question: Should cops have fired 100+ rounds at an unarmed man?
2 Hurt in Deputies' Crossfire
At least five Compton homes are left with bullet holes as officers fire 120 rounds at SUV.

Ten Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies opened fire early Monday on an SUV they were chasing, discharging 120 rounds in a frenzied crossfire that injured a deputy and the unarmed suspect while sending bullets into nearby homes. The shooting on a narrow residential street in Compton sent residents diving for cover as bullets zipped over their heads and through their windows. In the aftermath, bullet holes pocked the walls of at least five homes.

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Residents in the Butler Avenue neighborhood off Alondra Boulevard said the deputies put their lives in jeopardy. "This is crazy, really, really crazy," said Trina Hays, 42, who dove onto her lawn when the shooting erupted 20 feet away. "They didn't have any concern for anybody's life, including their own. That's why their own police officer got hit…. They could have just sat there and waited it out, but they opened fire."

The incident began shortly after midnight, when deputies responded to a call of gunfire and were told to look for a white SUV.

Winston Hayes, the suspect, had been driving his white Chevrolet Tahoe around the neighborhood for about four hours, playing music from his stereo as neighbors celebrated Mother's Day by lounging on their front lawns. Hayes grew up in the working-class neighborhood, a stretch of modest bungalows where many families have lived for decades. Residents knew him well, and some joked that he was going to run out of gas if he kept driving around.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-chase10may10,0,2324774.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Should the cops have fired 100+ rounds at an unarmed man?

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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:41 AM
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1. The police completely fucked up that one.
Anyone with any proficiancy with weapons could tell you exactly what all they did wrong.

I wont bother to list all the problems, but one obvious one was when the police officer pointed the barrel of his weapon at the Cameraman who did nothing wrong and told him to get out of the way or whatever.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:42 AM
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2. A person with an SUV is armed but...
Shooting the tires would have been sufficient.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:43 AM
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4. This guy did nothing wrong other than not pull over
Edited on Wed May-11-05 01:44 AM by cestpaspossible
he was probably afraid, I don't know, maybe he was afraid that the cops might beat him up or shoot him for no reason. An irrational fear, I guess :eyes:
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:44 AM
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7. The report says that he was teasing the cops with his driving.
It's likely that they had no idea what might be on his mind.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:45 AM
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9. That is an offense punishable by death, right?
Edited on Wed May-11-05 01:46 AM by cestpaspossible
teasing a police officer? he almost got what he deserved, I guess
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:42 AM
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3. they were scared little sissies
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:43 AM
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5. This insane overreaction on the part of police
happens a LOT in my area. WHAT are they thinking?
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:43 AM
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6. The cops were out of control
and Hayes is a jackass.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:44 AM
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8. Why am I not surprised it was the L.A.P.D...AGAIN!
How little things change.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:45 AM
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10. How the driver escaped getting killed is beyond me.
Those cops are a pack of crazy bastards. 9/11 hysteria reigns supreme!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:46 AM
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12. Did you see the video?
it is amazing
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:51 AM
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13. That driver is so damn lucky that those police were so damn incompotent...
If they were compotent none of this would have happened, where they a bit more compotent than they were that guy would have been dead. He is so lucky that they were so damn imcompotent that that only 4 shots hit him and they werent life threatening.

What amazes me is that more cops were shot they were definately firing on each other there.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:59 AM
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14. Furthermore it is amazing that the cops didn't all kill each
Edited on Wed May-11-05 02:13 AM by The_Casual_Observer
other in some sort of a friendly fire death orgy
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:46 AM
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11. Cowards
:donut:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 02:13 AM
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15. Well, he IS
black.
And he WAS Driving While Black.
And the incident DID happen in COMPTON.
And he WAS alone in that ugly-ass OJ-Simpson-looking SUV.

What else did you expect TEN (10) deputies from the LAPD to do?
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 02:18 AM
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16. From the video I saw...
...the driver was using the vehicle as a weapon, ramming at least one police car. Also, the cops had no idea whether the guy had weapons in that vehicle. What they saw was someone deciding to take on the cops aggressively. It doesn't seem unreasonable under those circumstances for the police to assume that such a person is armed. The police have the right to defend themselves, imo.

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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:38 AM
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18. using deadly force may have been necessary
but if so, 120 rounds fired, and FOUR making contact with the target, is pretty sloppy use of that deadly force.

defending oneself is a few rounds fired. not 120.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 05:09 AM
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22. You'll notice...
...that I didn't defend their marksmanship. :)
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:28 AM
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17. I think you meant, "Should the Gestapo have fired 120 rounds..." n/t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:40 AM
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19. It reminds me of the Hong Il Kim incident
That caused an uproar in the Korean community in Los Angeles in 1996. Businessman Hong Il Kim was visiting his family from Korea. While driving his car, he made an illegal right turn and the police pursued him. They called in other squad cars because they thought he was driving a stolen vehicle (which turned out to be incorrect). They finally cornered him in a parking lot. The man's car was completely surrounded by other cars, but Kim gunned his engine. He couldn't have killed anyone with his vehicle and he had no gun. The police pumped 30 rounds into his body. It was target practice. All they had to do was shoot out his tires.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 04:12 AM
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20. So let me see if I got this straight...
He is driving around his neighbourhood, drunk and stoned, the cops arrive and he starts giving them the merry-go-round... and at not point in the entire proceedings does it seem to occur to the cops to stop chasing him, have a word with the residents (which would have immediately clarified the situation), and see if some of his friends can get him to stop? I know hindsight is 20-20, but this is textbook propaganda material for having an unarmed police...
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 04:56 AM
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21. Well it was not a...
small child, so they could not very well use the tasers, could they?
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:50 AM
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23. being stupid can get you killed !
I dont agree with the police using deadly force ,except as a absolute last resort .However when you do stupid things like the driver of this SUV did ,you should expect with the current traning our police get ,that there is a good chance you will be shot or killed ! I mean they put forty bullets in a guy in N.Y. who was reaching for his wallet ,what made this guy think he was so special that rammimg his SUV or whoevers SUV it was into police crusiers would not bring a hale of bullets his way. What gets me is when the police act as stupid or even more stupid then the person in the car ,by putting every inocent person in that neighbor hood in danger of being hit by a stray bullet !
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:04 AM
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25. Yep. Hayes was an idiot BUT
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:14 AM
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24. This is what Police State looks like!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:23 PM
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26. Nah
these are out of control cops, and it is indicative of a problem of lack of citizen oversight of the police, but I think your characterization goes too far.
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