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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:08 PM
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OMFG. John O'Neill is being erased. Into the memory hole!
Edited on Wed May-11-05 03:24 PM by UdoKier
Some of you who have been around a while must remember John O'Neill, the FBR head of counterterrorism who resigned in frustration because the Bushies wouldn't let him look into Saudi terrorism links, and who "coincidentally" died in the World Trade Center.

Until recently, there was a good, comprehensive site, http://www.rememberjohn.com/ with the whole story and a lot of other good info. But now it's been replaced with a very dodgy site supposedly selling massage chairs! Why would you want the name "rememberjohn" if you're selling chairs? It's fake.

Even searching Google, the cached pages of rememberjohn.com have the descriptions of the old page, but if you look at the cache, it's just the chair crap!

They are sweeping all this shit into the memory hole. This really freaks me out.

The PBS frontline link is still there...

For now...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

This was another good article.

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/5513/

And another.

http://www.rense.com/general25/tall.htm
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:09 PM
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1. 1984
seriously
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:09 PM
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2. Massage chair???
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:35 PM
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22. actually, "message chairs" if you go further into the site, which you can
only go so far before you hit 404 page not found warnings.

also their contact email is: info@classicmassagechairs.com
but there is no domain at that web url.

something very fishy indeed.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:14 PM
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3. The Frontline on O'Neill is a Must See by all!
He was deliberately murdered in the attack.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:18 PM
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8. Indeed it is. Here is the link for those who missed it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:31 PM
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20. I have often wondered, if O'Neill had been working anywhere else ...
... would that place have been the target of the planes-as-weapons attack? Would the attack have taken another form? What's the loss of 3,000 people when billions of dollars are at stake, and one man knows too much and cannot be bought off?

John O'Neill knew something was about to happen, and the Powers That Be had him so marginalized, as if ... as if ... as if he were in the f*cking way.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 04:12 PM
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31. I believe the attacks still would have taken place, but it was
icing on the case that O'Neill's "friend" Jerry Hauer (thought by some to be in on the anthrax attacks)obtained the job for him.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:14 PM
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4. Dammit, I am going to kick the shit out of this all day.
If you have not read up on who this man was, please do so. It is essential knowledge.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:15 PM
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5. I have recently decided to start printing off copies .....
of any relevant information about this regime. When my sons grow up, I want to have url and print out proof of what happened. They may try to sweep all this stuff under the rug but at the very least my boys will know what happened.

If my kids (or grandkids) ever want to do a history paper or an essay about this government, I will let them use my information and NOT what our history books will say. I will not have lies taught to them. I will teach them and I will arm them with the truth. Here is one person who will never forget!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:16 PM
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6. How could anyone connect 'rememberjohn' to Massage Chairs?
Too weird. This requires an investigation.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:18 PM
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9. when the bill stops getting paid-
the server redirects the traffic to pages that pay to have that done.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:27 PM
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18. What about the cached pages?
look at this yahoo search.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=rememberjohn+john+o%27neill&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&fr=FP-tab-web-t&b=21

result #23

Remember John: How George W. Bush Betrayed America

information about former FBI Deputy Director, John O'Neill, Bush family history, 2000 election, Enrongate, and more.
Category: George W. Bush > Opposing Views
www.rememberjohn.com - 7k - Cached - More from this site


But when you click on the cache, it's the chair crap!

I'm no web expert, but isn't this weird?
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:21 PM
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33. the cache is stored on the server of the company that is no longer paid
to let people access it.

so no, it isn't wierd.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:17 PM
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7. I got over 5,000 hits for a simple Google search . . .
Edited on Wed May-11-05 03:18 PM by Journeyman
of John O'Neill, FBI, WTC -- so I figure they have a lot of sweeping to do.

Any possibility the original website left that url and the host turned it over to the chair massager but didn't change the name --- the numbered connection is what directs the traffic, and the name is for convenience, so it's possible they numbered connection was changed but not the name? Just guessing. . .
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:19 PM
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10. Click around the site. Most of the links don't work.
I think it's fake. Something to make people who have been forwarded there give up the search. There is no address, no 1-800 phone number, and only one stupid chair.

It's fake.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:25 PM
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14. Not "fake"
The site is now registered to

Harmon, Todd harmont@gmail.com

3137 Willow Tree Ln
Escondido, CA 92027

There is a phone number if you do the whois search but I am not posting it.

If you google

"todd harmon" massage chairs

You will get links to press releases about this chair.

http://press.arrivenet.com/hea/article.php/532744.html

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/12/prweb186870.htm

The site changed ownership on April 6th.

Most likely, someone forgot to register the domain name and it got gobbled by this guy.

Or the family decided not to continue it.

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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:32 PM
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21. But he made a point of getting THIS site.
Edited on Wed May-11-05 03:37 PM by UdoKier
Including the pages dealing with Bush/Nazi connections.

http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/dmoz-details.jhtml;jsessionid=FEHUABGWAGQHWCWMEAQSFEY?whoistoken=2&window1-resetEvent=true

Either this is a right-winger, or a Scaife-funded stooge-type of some sort.

PS the address is a house in a brand-new subdivision, not a business address.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:47 PM
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28. Doesn't have to be a business address
Domains are sold and they include any pages on the site.

The DMOZ entries have nothing to do with what he purchased. That is just a crosslink from dmoz.org which is a directory service. Those are entries that were in their database and will probably disapear soon.


If you really think it's fishy, call him or email him and ask why he chose that domain?

Understand, you may be 100% correct about this. Do a little research and get some answers.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:20 PM
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11. That is some freaky sh*t
Good observation, though. I am starting to think I need to buy a printer at home so I can print stuff out before it vanishes...:tinfoilhat:
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:22 PM
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12. that is freaky.....
isin't there a way to find out who owns websites? whois or something like that?
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:26 PM
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16. Yes, see my post above
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:25 PM
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13. the Internet Archive (wayback machine) has a record
It might be a good idea to find & save any links still available at the archived site

this links to the archived pages Jan 18, 2002 - Nov 24, 2004
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G28814F0B

http://web.archive.org/web/20041124100543/http://www.rememberjohn.com/


In August 2001, FBI Deputy Director John O'Neill resigned from his post over George W. Bush's policy on terrorism and Osama bin Laden. Specifically, O'Neill's department was told to "back off" their bin Laden and Al Queda investigations while the Bush administration negotiated with the Taliban. O'Neill became the security chief of the World Trade Center - where he died during the events of 9/11.

60 Minutes reports FBI unit deliberately slowed down the translation of information from terrorism suspects before 9/11 in order to create a backlog of work and show that the bureau needed more funding. This was after John Ashcroft cut the FBI anti-terrorism budget by $58 million and Bush made budget cuts across the board!


NEW 10/13/02: Cheney BLOCKS 9/11 Investigation. Mr. Bush, what are you hiding? Click
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:39 PM
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24. Bitchin. I'll save that.
And bookmark archive.org.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:25 PM
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15. It looks like it was sold on Apr. 6
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:26 PM
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17. Isn't the Swiftboat scumbag also named John O'Neill?
Maybe he's behind it, in order to launch something of his own.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:40 PM
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25. No, it's some asshole yuppie in Escondildo, CA.
When the swifties were around, that annoyed me to no end.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:28 PM
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19. This is a job for the WayBackMachine (archive.org)
Yes, all updates (or anyway, all from Jan '02 to Nov '04) to the page are still available through http://www.archive.org/ Just punch the URL in the box above the Take Me Back! button. Last actual update appears to have been Jun 18, 2003.

By the way, the reason a commercial enterprise would want a popular domain name even though the name has nothing to do with their product ought to be self-evident: The site got a lot of hits, so the massage chair maker figures that's a lot of people to see their ad. Shouldn't be a news flash that capitalism is amoral.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:36 PM
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23. kick
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:41 PM
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26. We'll have to have a
John O'Neill forum on DU and make damn sure his memory stays alive and well!

We even have a poster here who is "JohnO'Neill'sMemory".
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:46 PM
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27. Wouldn't it be nice to also have some soft-bound books that collect
all of this information? O'Neill, Sibel Edmonds, the 9-11 Widows, Bush-link with the Saudis, etc, etc. No opinions, just the facts, ma'am. And let the reader see the connections and let them come to their conclusions. Of course, some people need to be led to conclusions.
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rabbit2484 Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 03:58 PM
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29. Go here
http://www.archive.org/

You can see cached pages of the site from Jan 02-Nov 04.

Just type in the address in the box
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 04:03 PM
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30. rememberjohn used to post here and at bartcop.
I hope he checks in.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:06 PM
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32. Kick.
nt
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:51 PM
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34. final kick.
NT
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