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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 05:15 AM
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Woa CNN just announced a WMD@CNN.com email address
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 03:23 PM by proud patriot
wmd@cnn.com CNN requests viewer comments on this issue .

I just sent a letter and haven't recieved a bounce back yet .

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:20 PM
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1. I assume you meant wmd@cnn.com?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:23 PM
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2. Thanks I fixed it
:hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:26 PM
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3. what is the purpose of this email address?
Never heard of this before - a new thing - sending email specific on a topic with the topic name as the "addressee"???

Interesting.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:31 PM
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4. They announced the email address on the air
when asking for viewer comments .

They have a new graphic too "WMD BURDON OF PROOF" ...

also saying a WMD the burdon of proof show at 6 pm tonight...
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:50 PM
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5. I just sent them this note...
The press looked the other way when they could have known about the forged documents, the false claim about Saddam and Bin Ladin, the lies about America in peril. All of the info was out there and I knew about it before the war. I read British newspapers and visited great sites like, buzzflash.com, commondreams.org and democraticunderground.com. You too could have known if you were a REAL news source. You are a for profit lap-dog for the rich and powerful.
Thank you for being responsible for the death of our sons and daughters and 10,000 Iraqi citizens and shoving an illegal war down our throats for money. How do you sleep at night?
Sharon Bivens
Co-Chair Virginia Beach Green Party and hopefully future delegate of VA
sharonbivens.com
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:53 PM
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6. The problem is
The press wanted this war as bad as Bush. Ratings ya know.
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:57 PM
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8. impeachment is good for ratings as well
they don't care what the story is, as long as it brings in viewers. Impeaching bush should be as good for rating as the OJ trial.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:57 PM
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7. I sent them a letter too! here it is......
I know.....it's too long...but too bad! :-)

Wow, what a great idea! A media email address strictly for addressing the WMD issue. I have something to say about it.

It has been four months since we invaded Iraq. The justification for the Bush doctrine of preemptive strike (which is not a small thing in the world of international relations) was that Saddam posed an imminent threat to the USA. In ’45 minutes’ he could blow us away right here on our soil. But to date, we have not found the tons of WMD. Rumsfeld continues to assert that these WMD are the most mobile things in the world and is certain we will find them.

And now we have evidence that the White House used forged intelligence on the nuclear program issue. It is clear the White House would have said anything to justify a war because, as it was touted by the millions of people world-wide who protested this war, Bush wanted the war. Heck, the Administration is filled to the brim with PNACers and their policy for ongoing war (starting with Iraq) is clearly outlined in their policy.

The Bush people wanted a war. They trumped up the ‘evidence’ to convince the American populace to go along with it. And they got their war.

So, if it takes 4 months or a year to find these alleged stockpiles of WMD, why couldn’t the UN inspectors just continue to do their job? Oh yes, because of the imminent threat problem. There was no imminent threat to the USA. That’s obvious. Our soldiers rolled right into Baghdad. But today they are fighting a guerrilla war and getting picked off one by one. Sometimes two at a time. And our country is bankrupt and continues to go further into debt.

Also more disheartening, we see alliances being formed to prepare for an international response against the aggression of the USA. That is, Russia, China, India and Saudi Arabia all lining up together, synchronizing their militaries and their currencies. They are quietly preparing for the day when the USA goes “too far.” It’s classic really. Let the USA destabilize some entrenched oil regimes all over the Middle East and in a few years (perhaps less), this great alliance will make their move and take care of the ‘USA problem.” We will be sitting just as the USSR was sitting: bankrupt and a destabilized domestic environment. And we will have to cede to the wishes of the prosperous and militarily significant or face annihilation.

So, the White House, I suppose, is still standing by its decision to NOT allow the UN inspectors to continue its searches, to which Saddam was complying.

This is the single-most greatest and most detrimental blunder the USA has ever put out there. The costs are enormous…..in the short-term and the long-term. That is the significance of this current exposed LIE on the part of BUSH! It is not a “datapoint” among a string of datapoints in some little speech by our President.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:20 PM
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26. I Sent This: Short, Respectful and To the Point
Dear Sir or Madam.

President Bush's Administration appears to have trumped up multiple forms of "evidence" (including nuclear, biological and chemical weapons claims) of WMDs to justify this war. This Administration claimed they knew EXACTLY where the WMDs were hidden - and we have found absolutely nothing to back those claims. Our soldiers are in daily jeopardy, our foreign relations are dismal and we are now at greater risk of terrorism than before.

I think this is the most important issue that has ever faced our country. We have staged our first pre-emptive attack based on false and manipulated information, most likely motivated by a quest for cheap oil and the Project for a New American Century's wishes to demonstrate the United States' military dominance. A number of members of this neo-conservative think tank who serve as Presidential advisors and Cabinet members have advocated a subsequent attack on Iraq for 15 years.

It's time this cabal is exposed for what it is... a bunch of liars with alterior motives which put the health and security of the United States at risk for their personal gain. This is not a partisan political issue. The Congress and the media have a responsibility to fully and responsibly investigate this critical issue.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:58 PM
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9. So I said...
First of all, let us be clear as to why Saddam was not allowed WMD.

It was a condition of a United Nations resolution.

Why, therefore, we were able to use it as a rationale for unilateral action,
invading another nation, is profoundly disturbing. If we were doing it out of respect for the U.N., we would have been more respectful of the member nations desire to give weapons inspections more time to complete the task. Indeed, it appears now that we should have given Hans Blix and Scott Ritter far more credence than we did. Here I blame the media harshly, for slavishly slurping up the administration's lies like ice cream on a hot day.

Not only was the President of the United States willing to cynically lie (using rhetorical sleight of hand to make first the Brits, then the CIA the fall guy for the deception) about WMD including nuclear materials from Niger, but he was also willing enough to make Tony Blair and Colin Powell stooges, either witting or otherwise, in his illegal acts. This shows utmost contempt for the UN, and all it stands for.
Nor is the UN the only international body that this administration has shown contempt for.

Now the opaque is becoming transparent, and behind Dick Cheney's frosted glass it appears some uncanny goings on have occured. Our government twisted arms and subverted the intellegence to achieve the goal it wanted even before it was in power.
This is the war the Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld wanted back in the mid nineties.The were willing to do anything to get it, and it appears that they did. If this proves true, as only a full investigation can determine, they should all be sent to gitmo to live out their lives in festive orange jumpers.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:23 PM
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10. cool, I sent them the same post I've posted for 3 days now, lol
Hello,
you may find this interesting, since it involves not only Bush and Blair's lies about Iraq's Nuclear weapons, but involves your rivals MSBNC and their role in hiding those lies. Maybe you can get Windrem or O'Donnell on one of your shows?

http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/msnbc-iaea-report.htm

-snip-

Blair cited a newly released satellite photo of Iraq identifying new construction at several sites linked in the past to Baghdad's development of nuclear weapons. And both leaders mentioned a 1998 report by the U.N.-affiliated International Atomic Energy Agency, or IAEA, that said Saddam could be six months away from developing nuclear weapons.

"I don't know what more evidence we need," Bush said as he greeted Blair for a brainstorming session on Iraq. "We owe it to future generations to deal with this problem."

-snip-

Contrary to Bush's claim, however, the 1998 IAEA report did not say that Iraq was six months away from developing nuclear capability, NBC News' Robert Windrem reported Saturday.

Instead, Windrem reported, the Vienna, Austria-based agency said in 1998 that Iraq had been six to 24 months away from such capability before the 1991 Persian Gulf War and the U.N.-monitored weapons inspections that followed.

-snip-

WHITE HOUSE ADMITS ERROR

A senior White House official acknowledged Saturday night that the 1998 report did not say what Bush claimed. "What happened was, we formed our own conclusions based on the report," the official told NBC News' Norah O'Donnell.

Meanwhile, Mark Gwozdecky, a spokesman for the U.N. agency, disputed Bush's and Blair's assessment of the satellite photograph, which was first publicized Friday. Contrary to news service reports, there was no specific photo or building that aroused suspicions, he told Windrem.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:40 PM
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11. Just fired off an e-mail...
don't know if it will do any good. But I intend to make sure this does not go away. The more interest we show, the more the press will track this down.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:41 PM
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12. My little rant
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 05:42 PM by JohnyCanuck
Isn't it strange that millions of people the world over knew the Bush Junta was purposely exagerating and lying about the potential danger to the world posed by Saddam Hussein. We could go on the internet and find out all about the Project for a New Amercian Century and their proposed plans to ensure the US economic and military domination of the world and their plans to reject the principles of multilateralism and international co-operation that have guided US foreign policy in the past. We could find out from the internet many senior positions within the Bush administration are filled by PNACers with their neo-con agenda.

We could find out from internet sites the problems that are looming ahead of us as world oil production peaks and starts to decline in the coming years and what that means for the world economy and why access to and control of oil in the future is going to be so very important, especially for a bunch of neo-cons fanatics who believe they have a mission to impose their will and their way of doing things on the rest of the world.

In the runup to war, we could read about the IAEA denying Bush's and Blair's claim that IAEA reports indicated Saddam was 6 months away from a nuclear weapon. We had the writing and speeches of men like ex-weapons inspector Scott Ritter and author William Rivers Pitt available in books and on the internet showing how the Bush administrationg was exagerating and purposely engaging in war mongering to foment a war-like attitude in the US population.

We could see the conflicts of interest between people like Dick Cheney and his ex-employer Halliburton and the other oil and defense contractors who would stand to make billions through their untendered contracts in Iraq and we could tie it all together. We had access to the foreign media via the web and internet web sites like www.democraticunderground.com www.buzzflash.com www.whatreallyhappened.com www.fromthewilderness.com www.globalresearch.ca www.cooperativeresearch.org www.truthout.org www.guerrillanews.com etc. etc. and we manage to put two and two together and come up with four and know Bush was lying through his teeth about the Saddam posing an immediate threat.

On the internet we raised the issue of what would happen to Iraq after the invasion. We pointed out that the man favored by Rumsfeld to run post war Iraq, Chalabi, was a convicted embezzler and crook. We said it was unlikely that the Iraqi's would welcome an invading US force with open arms even if they were not fond of Saddam and a prolonged guerrilla war could result. We pointed out the shiites would not be likely to vote for politicians that were sympathetic to US interests, and the US would probably have to run the show themselves or impose a governement rather than allowing one to be freely elected. Our concerns were written off and dismissed and the pronouncements of Dr Strangelove Rumsfeld taken at face value and accepted with little or no questioning.

We marched in the streets by the millions to let you in the mainstream media and the war mongering PNAC sock puppet in the White House know we were onto his bag of tricks. All we got for our trouble was to have our numbers intentionally minimized and our words twisted so we could be written off as a bunch of misguided Saddam sympathizers.

Now the cat is out of the bag and there are no WMD and the evidence becomes even clearer that the people of the US, Britain and Austrailia were led into war and the consequent taking of life by lies and mistruths. Well you people in the media with your fancy wartime graphics and in-bedded reporters share the blame for the US and Iraqi lives lost. Because you were such contemptable cowards and so eager to act as shills and mouthpieces for this current mis-adminstration American servicemen lost their lives, not to mention thousands of Iraqi civilians as well.

Every day the internet breaks down a bit more the ease with which you can pass off your corporate/government spin and propaganda as real news and information. It's too bad it still wasn't powerful enough to get the truth out to stop this war, but at least we tried our best which is more than I can say for you sorry lot.

Regards
xxxxx
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:46 PM
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13. Bravo!
Absolutely, positively, spot-on!!!:thumbsup:
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:54 PM
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14. Double Bravo J-Canuck!
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 05:55 PM by DagmarK
Spot on is right!!!

Isn't that just the biggest frustration? That MILLIONS had this all figured out and we went to the streets and screamed about it......to no avail. I mean, it would be one thing if this new tide change actually revealed something NEW, but it doesn't. We knew all of this .....well ahead of any casualties.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:57 PM
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15. Woop.
There it is.

:)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:04 PM
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16. argh!!!
Did I miss the Burden of Proof special????
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:18 PM
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20. I think I had the wrong night
well I'll look for the same announcement tomorrow .
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Star Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:14 PM
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17. Beautiful, J-Canuck
Brings tears to my eyes.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:16 PM
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19. YEAH !
Wow . I'm sharing that with my husband .
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:24 PM
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21. better rant than anything dennis miller ever wrote
keep the pressure on. i sent a note also to wmd@cnn.com
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:40 PM
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22. Hats off!
Thats a great letter mind if I spread that?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:54 PM
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23. If you want to pass it on by my guest. n/t


n/t
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scrutineer Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 12:17 AM
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28. What bothers me
more than anything is that the whores KNEW all this too, all along, and for whatever reasons (many possible motives) chose to cheerlead rather than report.

And that goes for almost all of the coverage from the mainstream corporate US media, not just CNN.

The devastation is as much their legacy as the Bush/Blair cabal’s

And they’ll do it again because they don’t care.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 06:23 PM
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18. Here's what I just sent 'em...
Gentlepeople,

It appears no one has yet searched their consciences, or their memories, to examine, sufficiently, the scandal (and yes, it is a scandal) of lying and misrepresenting the case for war. This is NOT lying about who stained the blue dress - for which a president was hounded, put under the microscope, put to the proctoscope, persecuted, and then impeached.

Nobody died when Clinton cheated on his wife.

Nobody got their arms blown off and lost their entire family including their five-months-pregnant mom.

Nobody had to make do with a nicely folded American flag from the coffin their son was just buried in.

Nobody alienated the rest of the world community, kicked the UN in the teeth, and changed US foreign policy after more than 200 years of nationhood.

No third-world country was left in wreckage and ruin, with the treasures of world civilization left to the looters.

No millions of protestors were motivated to take to the streets on every continent.

And certainly, not one of our troops was sent into harm's way only to learn their VA benefits AND their danger pay and family hardship differentials were ALSO placed in harm's way while their backs were turned.

And yet it appears you're still willing to take it easy here.

A full-scale investigation absolutely and urgently MUST be launched. Not ONLY into where the much-vaunted WMDs are, but WHY we JUST HAD TO rush into war on FALSE PRETENSES, under such manifestly flimsy evidence. And now we're told we must expect and prepare for MORE killing.

Is this what America is about? This is the scandal of the century. No. It's the scandal of the MILLENNIUM. ARE you going to hold these people FULLY accountable, or are you just going to roll over or quietly go away and behave yourselves as this administration wants you to do?

Why did you suddenly morph from attack dogs into lap dogs after the last presidential election?

Why, for that matter, has NOTHING they've done been questioned?

PLEASE TURN UP THE HEAT! PLEASE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT! It IS up to you. The White House is being abundantly clear that they won't own up. Why are you allowing Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of them get away with their blather without more follow-up questions, and more independent investigations of your own?

If nothing else, look at the results of the last 4 or 5 Wolf Blitzer polls. THE PUBLIC WANTS ANSWERS! As voters and taxpayers, we deserve answers. As decent human beings, we deserve answers.

Please, for once, DO YOUR JOBS!!!!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:13 PM
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24. Oh! Some GREAT letters -- here's mine
Actually, I'm going to smooth it up a little in the morning, so here's the draft:

You want comments? Here's my comment about the WMD: The blood is on YOUR hands, yours and every other purported news outlet in the United States. especially TV news outlets, "where reality lives."

It was YOU who refused to delve into and reveal the preposterous lies the administration was telling us before the war.

It was YOU who didn't ask or report on why more of our allies were not willing to join us. Does anyone imagine that they were just being obstinate? It was YOU who didn't ask or report why Saddam's neighbors in the region weren't more frightened of Saddam than they were.

It was YOU who didn't accurately report on Iraq's submission to the UN and the parts excised by the U.S. before the rest of the Security Council saw it. It was YOU who didn't report that the U.S. was bugging the phones of U.N. members to try to gain advantage in pressuring them to support an illegal, immoral, unjustified and unjustifiable war. It was YOU who didn't report fully on how the U.S. was bullying and bribing and buying off those few countries who did support us in the U.N.

It was YOU who didn't accurately or fully report on Hans Blix's various comments to the UN, or Cambridge Professor Glen Rangwala's thorough and scholarly analysis of the lies that were being told by the warmongers, updated as often as daily during the pre-war build-up.

It was YOU who encouraged the less-well-informed among us to conflate patriotism with militarism, and being anti-war with being anti-American, and accuse us of not supporting our troops.

It was YOU who didn't report fully and accurately on the various leaks and dissent from active and retired CIA, DIA, and military officers both prior to and after the war vote.

It was YOU who ignored our calls and emails about the realities of what was going on when you could've paid attention, could've used google and nexis-lexis to actually do some balanced reporting.

It was YOU who didn't inform the public about the pre-emptive war doctrine and the shocking empire lust of the neo-cons of PNAC who populate the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board and Office of Special Plans and their questionable, immoral philosophies serving as the foundation for our official National Security plan, in which invading Iraq was just the beginning.

It was YOU who ignored our protests by the thousands and then tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands, and then 15 millions worldwide on Feb. 15. I remember a clip of Nancy Pelosi saying, plaintively, "but if you'd only protested last October...." WE DID. It just wasn't reported, or was underreported.

Some of us protesting are pacifists who oppose all wars, but many if not most of us KNEW there was no justification for war, no causus belli, no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein. We knew because we didn't rely on vapid, meaningless, contentless infotainment from cable and broadcast news, nor did we rely on any single U.S. newspaper. We got our news from a wide variety of international and national mainstream and alternative media on the internet.

That's why I say YOU who have blood on your hands. Thousands of Iraqis have died and thousands more are permenantly maimed. A sovereign nation lies in ruins. Hundreds of American men and women are dead and many more will die before this "war" is over. Tens of thousands will come home permanently scarred from this war, and who knows how many will have been exposed to depleted uranium which will kill them more slowly but just as surely?

Americans would NEVER have gone along with this war had they known the truth, or even a small part of it -- never, never, never, never, never. YOU who have failed the nation and its people. YOU have the blood of innocents on your hands. YOU have abused your enormous privilege under the First Amendment and are responsible for this war.

How will you ever make it up to The People, not to mention the dead and maimed?

That's my comment on WMD.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:18 PM
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25. Wow ..Excellent letter
:hi:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:51 PM
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27. I agree it is an excellent letter
I like the idea of reminding them we don't need to rely on them as our sole sources of information now that the internet provides easy access to foreign and alternative media. The internet does make it easier for us to tell when they are lying and spinning for their corporate masters. Sure we might still be in the minority, but I imagine as more people come on line it will become harder and harder for the mainstream media to spin for their corporate masters as they have in the past as they will know that a substantial portion of their audience will easily be able to confirm or rebut what the media talking heads are saying by checking a wide variety of sources.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:21 PM
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29. Me too
I also like to focuss on the troops .
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