Nightline: Janice Karpinski says Rumsfeld knew about Abu Ghraib - (VIDEO)

May 12, 2005

Video - Nightline: Janice Karpinski says Rumsfeld knew about Abu Ghraib

Video in Real Media format (5 minutes)

Janis has seen being a good soldier gets you demoted and just wait soon to be charged!!!

As well as the WH counsel, etc.
Will try to stay up to watch, it's on at 11:30 pm here.

It's incredible to me that Rumsfeld and Sanchez aren't even discussed anymore..

Too many Americans have such a short attention span.. :shrug:

Bless you.

The entire show is incredible.

She referred to those prisoners in Abu-Ghraib as "so-called terrorists." Oh, man, they're going to come down hard on her.

Her voice is a wee bit shaky, but she's holding her own.

Not convinced that the torture has stopped!

Quote: "We can do better than this as an army and a country."

She did very well. Very well indeed. Thanks, dzika, I don't have television, and it's great to see an interview like this.

:thumbsup:

glad to shine the light of truth on Rumsfeld

I wonder who she voted for?

The neo-cons thought they could torture the location of the fictional WMD's out of these poor Iraqis they rounded up at random.

Can't play the video at work.

Here is a quick transcript of what is on the video clip. There was more to the entire interview.

TK: You've had months now to lie awake a night thinking about this. Why do you think the buck stops with you?

JK: Because I think it's convenient. All the way up to the top of the Pentagon, they have a different... a long standing mindset about Reservist and National Guard soldiers. And we are considered disposable. We go back to our lives as civilians once we're released from active duty. And I think it goes a long way to explaining why we were not well received by General Sanchez or his entire staff. They didn't want to acknowledge that they need a reserve brigade, especially one commanded by a female general officer to do this critical mission.


TK: Are you saying... you're clearly saying that General Sanchez knew or should have known what was going on at Abu Ghraib. Are you saying that anybody above his level knew or should have known?

JK: Well, who ever told, ordered Miller, General Miller, Major General Miller to come and "assist" knew what his successes apparently or his abilities. There was conversation... I was, I am only talking about direct conversations with people in the Military Intelligence Command. Specifically the commander and General fast who believe that he was coming with the instructions from undersecretrary Kim Bone(sp?) and the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld.


TK: You're saying the Secretary of Defense knew or should have known?

JK: Well, absolutely. And I would say that it is consistent with his direction for the military.


TK: Which was?

JK: Which was... we have to get on the ground level with these so-called terrorist or people that are know associates of them and we have to operate the same was they do.


TK: When firing you, the dereliction of duty was a specific charge? Did you have a chance to face your accusers?

JK: Did not and they have not released any specifics about that charge.


TK: Is this thing over?

JK: I don't believe it's over.


TK: When I say "is this thing over"... Will you sue? Can you sue?

JK: Well, I think there is definitely grounds for discrimination. Why was I the only General officer singled out to be suspended from command when the information shows that other people had knowledge and were clearly involved.


TK: What has your lawyer told you? Is there anything actionable here?

JK: They believe that there are some things that are actionable and we will pursue them. Janice Karpinski will not be silenced. You can do anything you want to do. Whatever you have in your bag to take action against me that you feel is necessary go ahead and do it. Because you are going to anyway with or without my permission. But they can't change history. I was a brigadier general. I was in command of 17 prison facilities and Abu Ghraib. I did have 3400 plus soldiers working for me. I was proud to serve with each and every one of them.


TK: We're at war. It's a difficult was. It's clearly going to be a long war. This has been a terrible incident. Terrible for you personally. Terrible for the nation. Terrible for our reputation in the world. But on one level you kind of want to say: "Let it be. Let's get on with our lives. Let's get on with the war." What do you say to those that might suggest that is the right way to go about things from here on?

JK: I would say that if you let it go, you might lose sight of the fact that some of this might still be going on. The pictures, I said, for several months after I first became aware of the pictures, I said, well at least the photographs will stop this. I'm not convinced. Maybe people that are orchestrating this have gotten smarter and have gotten better and have certainly threatened any soldier coming near any interrogation with a camera probably with any kind of military discipline they can give them. We can do better than this as an Army and a country. And I can tell you from the Military Intelligence interrogators they wanted to release, easily, 80% of the prisoners that were held at Abu Ghraib because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time but they weren't allowed to. And at one point when I was protesting that, I was told "I don't care if we are holding 15,000 innocent Iraqis, we are winning the war." And my response was "not inside the wire we're not because every person we're holding who is innocent become our enemy the minute they walk out of any prison."

That's a hilarious picture.

thanks, She is not falling in her sword. Good for her!

but * wouldn't let him. Some one needs to take the fall...

"I can tell you that from the military intelligence interrogators, they wanted to release, easily 80% of the prisoners that we being held at Abu Gharib, because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but they weren't allowed to.

And at one point when I was protesting that, I was told, "I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent Iraqis, we're winning the war." and my response was, not inside the wire you're not. Because every person that we're holding who is innocent, becomes our enemy the minute they walk out of any prison."

i can't play the video at work, but it sounds like a great clip. I'm looking forward to seeing it when I get home ...

I remember a Rumsfeld document surfacing within a week of the England pictures.

Still a good thing. For a lot of people it never happened if it wasn't on TV.

Surely Amnesty International and such would have interest in funding this....God knows Congress won't pursue anything....

stay safe.

Bush signed it, did'nt he?

She stated "Where do you think these enlisted men and women got dogchains and collars in the middle of a prison in Iraq?"

Wonderfulllllllllll question.
I don't remember those being on an approved list when I sent items over there, and could you imagine these folks writing mom and asking her to send them?
This is sooooooo deep. I hope she isn't killed before she can break this wide open.

The Buck stops at the top....

of the prisoners because they felt they were innocent and it was forbidden. This is heavy stuff. She is brave.

Thank you once again for an important video, dzika!!!!

me of nurse Ratchet (sp?)in "One Flew Over...", and just by looking at her, I thought she was capable of ordering those under her to do what they did. Since that first impression I have come to truly admire this woman and stand behind her 100%. To Republicans she's just another stupid woman who is easily discarded and made the scapegoat. Well, I think they picked on the wrong woman and misjudged her entirely. You go, Girl - kick their asses.

behind this woman all the way.

She's the only high ranking officer charged with any wrong doing in all this. What happend to the Intel officers from Ft. Hucahuca that were in Iraq when this was occuring? Oh yea, they were sent back to Huachuca early, and promoted. Active duty treated one way, Reserves are scape goats. As an Army Nat'l Guard soldier that was in Iraq, this really pisses me off!
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Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.


Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

We all know they are as guilty as sin all the way up to the top. And nothing happens to them. The top people are some of the scumiest ideolgoues on earth. Because their entire m.o. is the end justifies the means. How can we not root for the end to fail when they are so without morality?

She finally has come to realize it's a crock of doodoo to "take one for the team." Of course Rummy knew and it flows downhill from there. Maybe it's higher than Rummy . . . wouldn't be a surprise.

We all know she was scapegoated and this went to the top. Now is the job of proving it. Of course they will refuse to supply documents and this will take time. But I'm glad she's fighting and this is getting some press. Suprising that she was allowed to speak on TV at all.

Not directed at you, directed at the Sheeple. I know most everyone here at DU is well aware that Rumhead knew.

So that "Whitewash" can be applied to history one more time!!!!

(found at yesterday's issue of AllHatNoCattle.net)

I don't watch a lot of Nightline, I never would have been able to see this woman. Did I hear her right? Did she just basically say to BushCo "Bring it on"? She's got spunk. I like that.