LIVING dog dissected for HS Bio class (by a substitute teacher no less)

This makes me so angry I want to hop a flight to Gunnison, UT and kick the ever-loving SHIT out of this pitiful excuse for a human being. Is the substitute motherfucker even CAPABLE of properly sedating an animal for any procedure, let alone having its FUCKING GUTS CUT OUT OF ITS STILL LIVING BODY?

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http://www.local6.com/news/4480144/detail.html

A biology class lesson in Gunnison, Utah involving the dissection of a live dog has outraged some parents and students, according to a report.

Biology teacher Doug Bjerregaard, who is a substitute teacher at Gunnison Valley High School, wanted his students to see how the digestive system of a dog worked.

The dog was still alive, but the teacher said it was sedated before the dissection began.

With the students watching, the sedated dog's digestive system was removed.

with opening up animals in Science class? Unless you're in premed is it really necessary have that kind of practical knowledge? Wouldn't you do just as well with pictures? I don't get it unless it's some sort of exercise in intimidation that teachers enjoy.

a medical school but not a highschool. Heck, I have a problem with it at a medical school.

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This is a country where any "good reason" to be cruel, murderous and vile can be expressed, then it's just fine.

Fuck us.

How did he get the dog? How did the students not complain before it happened? How did the principal not stop it?

I'm sorry for all the questions, but I'm appalled and amazed that this was able to happen in a HIGH SCHOOL!

Jesus Fucking Christ, the depravity of this just BOGGLES the mind!

It's disgusting. I think that he should be arrested for a) Animal Cruelty and/or b) lying to the shelter. There is no way that they would have given him the dog to dissect!

I'm appalled at what some human beings believe to be acceptable behaviour.

There is absolutely no reason to do this with high school kids. I am sure 99.9999 % of them will never need the knowledge of how to dissect a dog.

keep doing this with more dogs that will be put down.

to perform vivisection upon their living bodies. Pound seizure, as it's oft called, though abolished in many civilized parts of this country demands a proper USDA license.

I for one, will be making a phone call today to APHIS about this gentleman.

to the school. But I may have misread it.

Here they took a live dog, sedated him, and took out his digestive organs while the dog was still alive. Don't they need a protocol to do anything of the sort? Hard to believe it was done legally. What about animal cruelty laws?

Gunnison Valley High School
Principal: Donald Hill

don.hill@ssanpete.k12.ut.us


"Judge the behavior of a dog who has lost his master, who has searched for him in the road barking miserably, who has come back to the house, restless and anxious, who has run upstairs and down, from room to room, and who has found the beloved master at last in his study, and then shown his joy by barks, bounds and caresses.
There are some barbarians who will take this dog, that so greatly excels man in capacity for friendship, who will nail him to a table, and dissect him alive. And what you discover in him are the same organs of sensation you have in yourself."
Voltaire (1694-1778).

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This is the one issue that most threatens my dedication to pacifism.
Initially my rage prevents me from replying with anything other than quotes.
The memory of this event, along with countless other acts of cruelty, will haunt me forever.

If you can handle it, (and I couldn't at first-do not read this if you are highly sensitive, it just about killed me- but people need to hear the message) here is a poem posted by Moosepoop on the other thread:


We Called Him "Rags"
Poem by Edmund Vance Cooke

We called him "Rags." He was just a cur,
But twice, on the Western Line,
That little old bunch of faithful fur
Had offered his life for mine.

And all that he got was bones and bread,
Or the leavings of soldier grub,
But he'd give his heart for a pat on the head,
Or a friendly tickle and rub.

And Rags got home with the regiment,
And then, in the breaking away --
Well, whether they stole him, or whether he went,
I'm not prepared to say.

But we mustered out, some to beer and gruel,
And some to sherry and shad,
And I went back to the Sawbones School,
Where I still was an undergrad.

One day they took us budding M.D.'s
To one of those institutes
Where they demonstrate every new disease
By means of bisected brutes.

They had one animal tacked and tied
And slit like a full-dressed fish,
With his vitals pumping away inside
As pleasant as one might wish.

I stopped to look like the rest, of course,
And the beast's eyes leveled mine;
His short tale thumped with a feeble force,
And he uttered a tender whine.

It was Rags, yes, Rags! who was martyred there,
Who was quartered and crucified,
And he whined that whine which is doggish prayer
And he licked my hand--and died.

And I was no better in part nor whole
Than the gang I was found among,
And his innocent blood was on the soul
Which he blessed with his dying tongue.

Well! I've seen man go to courageous death
In the air, on sea, on land!
But only a dog would spend his breath
In a kiss for his murderer's hand.

And if there's no heaven for love like that,
For such four-legged fealty-well!
If I have any choice, I tell you flat,
I'll take my chance in hell.

Man one of those kids should have done something anything. How the fuck can you do that to a living animal.

citizens being blown to hell, WTF.

to have felt like they were in the Twilight Zone.

I tell you, if MY kids had been in that classroom I would sue for emotional trauma!

I wouldn't be surprised the way it's going.

anyway, right?

you are, or I am, until other people chose to starve her to death. She had severe brain damage but might have lived years more as long as she was nourished and hydrated. She had no terminal illness and was in good physical health for someone who'd been bedridden for years.

We don't need to get into whether the choice to starve her was right or wrong -- I just wanted to make the point that she was NOT dying.

OTOH, if you meant that Terri Schiavo was going to be put to death anyway, just like the dog was going to be put to death anyway, then you're correct. ;-) Though the dog wouldn't have been starved, rather gassed or given a lethal injection.

This isn't so outrageous. Disgusting? Yes. Abhorrently cruel? Yes. Used commonly (not so much now, but in the recent past) in med schools? Yes.

Vivisection is for assholes.

medical school, but what do high school kids need this kind of thing for?
Unless they are preparing future serial killers in there.

the very same information as a live dissection, I DON'T understand why a med school does it.

I guess the difference of what, 6 years in age makes one okay and one not okay.

where a six year difference makes one o'key and one not o'key?
Driving, or drinking, for example?
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Obviously, a 6 year difference in driving (10 v. 16) or drinking (15 v. 21) is significant. Considering that these students were seeing something they might see on tv or the net at any time, your point seems, well, pointless.

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If I see a surgery on TV or on the net, will that make me a surgeon? Do you think that a computer game where you murder people is the same thing as murdering people in real life? In other words, is virtual reality enough to prepare you for the reality? Where you have to deal with flesh and blood?
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You are absolutely right. Why should an individual learning surgeon first practice on animals when s/he could get the same thing from watching it on a computer.

I could do wonderfully well by watching the surgery on a computer. I could describe what the organs are, and how to do the surgery without any problems. But computer does not bleed. But if asked to preform surgery on a live animal or human, I could not do it. If all you had to do when you go to medical school is to do surgeries on a computer, I could become a Dr. And then WTF would I do, when I actually had to preform surgeries on actual people?

medical school, but what do high school kids need this kind of thing for?
Unless they are preparing future serial killers in there.

that if my 15 year old daughter had been in that class, we would be looking at therapy for her. She cannot stand to see any animal being harmed. I shudder to think of the fallout if this had happened to her.

at least one of the students would be looking at an assault charge...

and the teacher would still be looking for his teeth.

edit to add: and someone would adopt the dog

While it was completely inappropriate for the teacher to have taken the class to the vet's office to witness this without the parent's permission, I tend to agree this incident is being blown out of proportion. The dog wasn't tortured. It would have been put down either way.

Why not, instead, arrange for his students to watch a few *therapeutic*, necessary operations where the end-goal is saving the animal's life? They would still get to see living systems in action, and probably with a lot less emotional trauma. Plus, they'd come to associate "life science" with "healing" and that might keep some from being turned-off on the idea of becoming a doctor...

Tucker

that sounds like a much better idea.

that is so sad.............

And a warm spot in hell for that motherfucker.

I have come to believe that we would have been better off using models to study comparative anatomy. Many of the kids were either so grossed out they couldn't gain much from the experience and other kids saw it as an opportunity to gross out their classmates. Anatomy isn't the most interesting aspect of biology anyway and the textbooks emphasized it way too much. Ecology, environmental biology, systematics, and EVOLUTION were way more interesting.

Whether it's worth it for that benefit, except PERHAPS in AP classes, is highly debatable. You have to be very strict about the kids who want to gross out others and cautious with those who are reluctant to dissect.

I always had to teach it in high school because it was in state curriculum standards. I taught middle grades science for a year and had to have them dissect frogs and worms. Many kids do find it interesting once they get started (anticipation scares them more than reality, like much of life.)

I also found, as I later taught at a college), that college kids have this "Oh, we did that in high school" attitude about dissection and few approach it with the attention required to learn from it. It should probably be left to biology majors and minors who can better appreciate anatomical variations and their evolutionary significance.

a live dog...that is just beyond comprehension...these kids are in High School not medical school.

I saw some doctors on TV testing out battlefield technology on adult pigs that had been shot...but in that case it was doctors who were doing research to save the lives of people...

As my sister said, wars normally bring about immense change in medical technology. The stuff they showed recently on TV looked unbelievable...it was a grain like substance they just poured into the wounds and it helped the bleeding stop....

What the F*ck?! :wtf:

How did this guy get qualified to teach biology? I'm a biology major, and I've never, ever, ever, ever been told that that type of sh*t is okay. If anybody I know tried that, the entire department would team up and remove their digestive system.

And this is coming from somebody who's seen some pretty f*cked up dissections.

But a f*cking LIVE DOG?

How exactly does one get away with pulling this type of sh*t?!

be some sort of approved protocol to follow if you do experiments with animals. How did they get it approved, and did they get anything approved? How can this thing even be legal?

being the sort of thing that turns kids off to biology. I taught both in high schools and colleges and a lot of college kids wouldn't be able to deal with this.

In a college physiology class for junior and senior level biology majors, MAYBE there's some justification for vivisection, with proper sedation, but I never saw the need for it, even using animals that are going to be put to death at the local pound or shelter.

I'm betting the substitute is a fundie. If the kids are turned off to biology, they'll never understand evolution.

Dissection (NOT vivisection) is an ingrained tradition in biology teaching. Models and computer simulations are so good now that I can't see much use in it unless a student plans to be an anatomist or go into health professions. You do have to dissect a human cadaver as part of training for a lot of the health professions, not just to be an M.D., and doing a cadaver as your first dissection would be a big mistake, IMO.

Similarly, performing surgery on animals, usually on animals that will be euthanized, is part of medical training. But most students could learn as much or more from models, videos, and computer simulations.

I would have been totally FUCKED UP!

I'm talking nervous breakdown, complete.

This is beyond horrible. If I were the parent of one of those kids, I would run, not walk, to my lawyer.

Get off on torturing animals.

I wonder what this teachers personality was like,in daily life

I ask because I had an overbearing bitch of a science teacher in middle school and she dissected a live frog in our class. I remember seeing it writhe in the wax pan pinned down as she cut him.I know he felt it..,When she stuck the first pin in the frogs front leg the frog rolled over and tried to grasp the pin to free itself,I had tears roll down my cheek and a bully sitting next to me punched me for it,so I was made to sit in front of the class ( I was blamed for being the disruption) I had to sit right next to the pan while she pulled the frog apart ending with pulling it's heart out and showing how it beat by itself on a slide.. I was fascinated but totally horrified at the same time. A couple of kids got sick,and ran out of class ,I think one lost it in the hallway..I blanked out most of that class from memory..Over half of my middle school years are blanked out .I hated middle school. It was some of the most horrible years of my life and my life was pretty horrible.

how on earth did this get past anybody. Makes me get "out" there-my 1st post!

This is unbelievable! We need names and numbers to contact about this. I am not a vengeful person, but if I was there as this was happening, I would have blown this guy away. This so called "teacher" needs to be prosecuted. If someone in the area would be so kind as to beat the living crap out of this guy.... :mad:

But... I'll bet he would sure have a different take if say it were a "baby" used for the same purpose.

JFC....

Modem Butterfly... maybe we should "pay that teacher a visit"....

MZr7