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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:47 AM
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Did Bolton do Dick Cheney's biding to suppress info by outing Plame
Edited on Sat May-14-05 01:03 AM by LiviaOlivia
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
John Bolton and Valerie Plame

Via Holden a link to Clemmons who voices to the wider world what you might have read here a couple of weeks back:
http://spacetimecurves.blogspot.com/2005/04/unfair-comparisons.html
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000569.html

Did Bolton do Dick Cheney's work to suppress the information there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq- by outing Valerie Plame- the same way he tried to suppress reports there were no such weapons in Cuba by trying to out the open operative Fulton Armstrong?

If he did, I hope it comes out now. And if he did, may he get prosecuted. And may he spend the next 20 years or so in a Federal prison. He'll have some company eventually.

There's no statute of limitations on war crimes.

posted by kelley b.
http://spacetimecurves.blogspot.com/2005/05/john-bolton-and-valerie-plame.html
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:51 AM
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1. i think we are witnessing the boiling point
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:57 AM
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2. If he gets the ambassadorship it will be another slap in Plame's face.
The boldness of these swine is immeasurable.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 02:38 AM
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3. important stuff !
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:53 AM
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4. Yes.
About a year ago, there were a series of "Plame threads" here, and Bolten was identified as one of the heads of President Cheney's private intelligence groups. He is also identified as such in Ambassador Joseph Wilson's book.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 06:05 AM
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5. Do you think these damming facts will be brought
out on the Senate floor?

I haven't seen a poll that approves of John Bolton and yet the Republicans Senators are willing to vote this monster for the job.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 06:17 AM
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6. I think that
the democrats err by simply focusing on his gruff and obnoxious personality. Saying he is a bully is not enough. The public needs to be made fully aware of the fact that his intel group, which was of questionable means to begin with, is directly tied to:<1> the outing of Plame,<2> to the neocon spy scandal, and <3> to the forged Niger documents. I think that these should be used much in the manner of the good St. Patrick's three-leaf clover. I am not sure why no senator has the guts to level with the public, other than the obvious fact that the administration has shown a willingness to crush opposition such as Ambassador Wilson's being honest.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:14 AM
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7. I repect your opinion and also believe that you are %100 right on
target about John Bolton.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 07:57 AM
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8. Well, thank you ....
I think that there are numerous good sources of information on this fellow, and that tie him to what I consider to be the most serious scandals of our generation. It's a shame that the corporate media does not report on his ties to these criminal behaviors.

Some of it is so ironic that it can leave you speechless. Consider the following quote: "There is a long tradition in the Presidency of presidents and their staffs becoming frustrated with the bureaucratic organizations they are required to deal with, to increasingly pull difficult decisions or problems into the White House to be managed because there is oftentimes no sense of urgency at State or at Defense or any of the other departments that have to be worked with .... problems ... that automatically lead presidents sooner or later to move in the direction of deciding that the only way to get anything done, to cut through red tape, to be able to move aggressively, is to have it done, in effect, inside the boundry of the White House."

That was then-congressman Dick Cheney scolding Oliver North during the Iran-Contra hearings. On their surface, these words clearly indicate that Tricky Dick Cheney KNEW right from wrong. But when we consider their full significance, in the context of Bolton and the VP's two private intel groups, it is clear that he is advocating that presidents MUST act beyond the rule of law .... and is telling North to shut the fuck up .... because North had started to tell the public something closer to the truth than the White House dared to have exposed. Reagan was willing to distance himself from North, which I think most DUers would agree North could have dealt with. But VP/President Bush was going to go farther, and hang North out to dry. And North, an intense figure in my book, who posed a huge threat to the Constitution, had felt slighted, and was going to take some others with him.

Cheney has made sure that similar situations do not arise, by making most information a "state secret" based on a perverse definition of "national security." He is far more Machiavellian by nature than Rove, and I think his behaviors call to mind the old advice to the prince, "Hence it comes that all armed Prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed Prophets have been destroyed."(The Prince; Nicolo Machiavelli; page 21).

Our congressional leaders and the corporate media have been "disarmed." They have been compromised, and old Dick Cheney knows it. But we know the truth, and we are armed -- we still have that Constitution, the most powerful political weapon in the history of humankind. We need to start fighting with those weapons the Bill of Rights puts at our disposal. We should be hammering that sleezy weasal Bolton. We should remember that Machiavelli recommended that "you ought never suffer for your designs to be crossed in order to avoid war, since war is not so to be avoided, but is only deferred to your advantage." The democratic grass roots has the ability to use this information to discredit Bolton & Cheney.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:38 AM
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11. The obstacles appears to be....It seem that journalists too, can
be Machiavellian.

During the Christmas 1972 bombings New York Times columnist James Reston wrote,

It may be and probably is true that Mr. Kissinger as well as Secretary of State Rogers and most of the senior officers in the State Department are opposed to the President's bombing offensive in North Vietnam....But Mr Mr. Kissinger is too much a scholar, with too good a sense of humor and history, to put his own thoughts ahead of the president's. Howard Zinn "Passionate Declarations" page 21
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:45 AM
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12. Ha!
Very good! Very true, also!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:01 AM
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9. Barbara Boxer has not included it in her "Hold"...
The Bolton/Plame connection is THE issue, I agree. I can't imagine why she did not include it....http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/05/14/MNGE8CP85U1.DTL

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"I said at the committee meeting that I was going to do everything I could to get the information I've asked for, and I did,'' Boxer said Friday in an interview. "It's a way to bring attention to this matter.''

Boxer's move, which the Republican Senate majority could overturn by getting 51 votes in favor of a motion to proceed despite her hold, could further raise the partisan temperature in a body already fighting over Republican efforts to curb the Democratic minority's power to filibuster Bush's judicial nominees.

Boxer and the other Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said the Bush administration had failed to turn over documents in three areas: notes and drafts of a Bolton speech on Syria's military capabilities, private business records of Bolton's assistant Mathew Friedman and information from the National Security Agency and other spy services about whether Bolton tried to get the names of American officials whose communications were intercepted.

"These records may show something, or nothing,'' Boxer said.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 08:08 AM
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10. For a variety of reasons,
neither the congress or corporate media dare to touch this issue in any meaningful way. As much as it pains me to say this, I do not think that they have the moral or ethical capacity to confront this most important issue. I think that the only real hope for America is grass-roots democratic action. I think that the Bill of Rights should be our guide.
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