When will the US-Iran war commence?

I have my thoughts as to how it will all play out, but I'd like to hear from DU first.

Because I believe everything I read at DU.

Unless Bush manufactures a hit on American soil, there is no way he can find the troop power to stage another war. The republicans aren't going to come forward to serve.

#1 - I am happy to announce that our troops are at this moment crossing in to Iran.

#2 - The first draft notices are going out in the mail as I speak.

Let me assure you ladies and gentlemen that both of these decisions were necessary to keep our way of life safe from the bad people, and that this should be a short war, and the draft will end with the fall of North Korea (oops, that was part of my next speech)

I will be monitoring our progress closely from my ranch in Texas, as God told me I will be happier there during this time of stress, after all this is hard work.

if these events happen. I don't know if they will listen.

troops...yada, yada, yada. Same ol' song and dance, including, "Yes, but they ARE that stupid."

I guess we'll all find out, won't we?

The problem, though is that Iraq (which is majority Shi'ite) is particularly vulnerable to attack from Iran. Ironically, Saddam Hussein was useful as a counter to Shi'ite power in this region. That balance has now shifted; one of Iraq's 3 new governing ministers is Chalabi, a Shi'ite who has spent much time in Iran and (after earlier being tersely rebuked by the * administration) is not likely to be pro-US. A likely scenario is that a vastly larger share of the world's petroleum reserves will be controlled by unfriendly Iran.

The administration will be tempted to engage in conflict with Iran, because not to do so will prove once and for all that *'s war for oil is a complete and utter disaster. Furthermore, there is a very large Iranian community in the US who (having left after the Mullahs took control) are anxious to see the return of a secular Iranian Government. Teheran's million person street revolt last year was apparently lead by a disc jockey in LA. I see the possibility of a Bay of Pigs-style fiasco combined with Nixonian expansion, a la early 70's Indochina.

look like a near military triumph by comparison??????????????????

I think Carter's effort could possibly have worked; at least the goal was so well-defined and noble that failure was preferable to doing nothing. If I'm not mistaken, Carter did negotiate the hostages' return in time for Reagan's first day in office. In the current situation, however we have entire countries (Brazil, China, Russia and India) aligning against us in anticipation of our entrance into Iran. This is scary stuff. I certainly hope that * has the restraint and guidance to be able to avoid conflict in Iran.

We will have an indefinite military presence in Iraq, and I'd wager a stronger presence than Saddam's Iraq represented.

Either way - I must agree that we need to invade Iran. And I believe we need an 'event' to secure national support for a draft.

Washington DC :scared: :tinfoilhat: :scared: :tinfoilhat:.

I was thinking more like Buffalo, NY. due to it's border status, blue state residence, demographic makeup, relative economic insignificance, and vast lack of success by their sports teams.

Kind of a microcosm for the Democratic party.

get control in the area.

We're playing a two-pronged game with bin Laden and Al-qaeda right now.

We are goading each-other quite on purpose so that both we and they need to become entrenched.

Either way, we must stay there to play pricing games.

No way.

I still believe that that an attack would come before the Iranian reactor is operational. I understand that fuel loading would take place later this year and I doubt they would be willing to attack an operational reactor. If anyone has current info on the timeline for reactor operation, I am all ears.

Even this Administration is not arrogant enough to think they can hold Iran (under the current circumstances) if they escalate the cold war status quo.

Iranians hate us not just for our freedom but have some real bones to pick with young mr. Roosevelt and the rest of the US. You think Iraq is bad? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Iran is an odd case. The mullahs' continued support comes mostly from rural Iranians, who are conservative and super-religious. My Iranian friends tell me that Teheran is very western (and has a rising middle class), and its more cosmopolitan citizens hate the theocrats. I'm just afraid that wealthy Iranian ex-pats here in the US will gain the chimp's allegiance. One cannot dispute that the overall feeling in Iran is anti-US, and they will fight tooth and nail against us.
I hope that * is mindful of the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) alliance which has been formed to counter US expansion. Brazil, though developing is hugely influential in South America, and has the ear of Venezuela, with its oil production. Russia's Putin has recently been flexing his muscles, and recently had to endure a boring and obnoxious visit by the Chimp. I think they still have a few nukes, too. India, curiously just announced its intention to buy a huge number of Boeing aircraft, which will no doubt be rescinded if we attack Iran. Furthermore, they just announced that they will build an oil pipeline from Iran to India, via Pakistan. China, for its part holds a lot of US debt, and can materially affect our ability to wage war if it so decides. I hope * will look at the Iranian situation in terms of global realities (realpolitik), but I have my doubts.

so I also expect another 9*11-ish pretext.

(I expected that just before the "elections" too, but if you got the machines, why play your other ace?)

Ritter said June/July... so watch for it.

He can't keep up with meeting the demands in Iraq and Afghanistan now.
For all of you saying, we'll attack there, come up with how he'll get the recruits.

National Guard units, reserves, and IRR.

Then they can gut the military forces from Germany, Korea, Japan and other military bases, even take none combat troops and put them though a quick combat training course.

The problem comes when we need replacements for the killed and injured, where do they come from?

The draft, that's when the fun starts.

Either its a measure too keep people from coming in to Iraq or it's a prelude to a Syrian invasion... or somebody's been eating imported Polish sausages.

There's a lot more oil in the other direction, though. Maybe they'll nuke Iran with some RNEPs (except the oil fields) and beat the shit outta Syria... I don't know. What I do know is, the lizards want that oil no matter what. They may not wait to roll out the new war product in September. They know Americans are catching on to their bull shit and need to create a major distraction... if I were 18, I'd join up with the Mennonites, Buddhists, et al, real quick and claim CO status. :scared: