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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:36 AM
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Here we go again. "Schinder-Schiavo volunteers" butting into another case
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:49 AM by Bluebear
CLEARWATER, Fl., May 14 /Christian Wire Service/ �- The volunteers with the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation, along with the family of Terri Schiavo, are urging Jacksonville, Florida resident, Eliza Thomas, to allow her 34 year old husband to live.

The Foundation has learned that Scott Thomas suffered brain injury in September of 2004 and has since been incapacitated and dependent on others. His mother, Pamela Patton, has petitioned the courts for guardianship of the disabled man and was awarded a temporary guardianship which could expire as early as June 3, 2005. Mr. Thomas's wife, Eliza, is currently seeking to take his guardianship over.

Ms. Patton is currently pursuing neurological testing and treatment options with a Clearwater, Florida neurologist, Dr. William Hammesfahr.

Mrs. Thomas, however, has reportedly stated that her intention is to move her husband to the Community Hospice of Northeast Florida and seek the authority to direct the removal of his gastric feeding tube, causing his death by dehydration and starvation.

According to Ms. Patton, her son speaks a limited vocabulary, gives affirmative and negative hand signals and has successfully answered questions of where he lives, where he attended school and his situation. She states that he is aware and oriented.

The volunteers of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation are urging Florida's Department of Children and Families (Florida's social services agency) to investigate the circumstances surrounding Mr. Thomas's injuries and to ensure that he is not currently a victim of abuse and neglect.

Terri Schiavo's family is asking Mrs. Eliza Thomas to err on the side of life. According to them, the dehydration and starvation death suffered by their daughter in March of this year was anything but a peaceful and painless death.

Statement of Bob Schindler, Terri Schiavo's father: "The suffering our daughter endured and her death over the course of nearly two weeks was horrific. I am pleading with Mrs. Thomas to please reconsider her decision to seek the removal of Scott's feeding tube and to allow him to receive the therapy and rehabilitation he needs to improve. I beg Mrs. Thomas to give her husband a chance."

http://www.earnedmedia.org/tf0514.htm
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:40 AM
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1. What's next? That they seek a feeding tube put into an advanced
Alzheimer's patient who MAY NOT WANT ONE???????????????????????
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:45 AM
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5. Every hospice patient must live as long as possible!
That seems to be the goal.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:41 AM
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2. To "err on the side of life" is still to err.
Perhaps being correct would be a better solution?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:41 AM
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3. I don't think they'll get any traction.
I don't know why they insist on trying to control everyone else's life, when clearly they don't have a life of their own.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:47 AM
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7. for the family's sake
I hope it doesn't get any traction, but it would be interesting to see what delay, frist and stupid bush would do. The religious right would be demanding they stand up again, but to do so would be bad for them in the eyes of most of the population.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:22 PM
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27. ding ding!
If this gets publicity, the congressional idiots would be hamstrung, especially Frist, who is 1) sucking up to the talibornagain as hard as he can AND 2) fully aware that everyone else in the Country wants them to BUTT OUT!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:44 AM
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4. They need to back out of the family decision
America has had enough of the extremist trying to take over our constitution.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:45 AM
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6. I don't believe anything these people say
They had Terri Schiavo tap dancing and singing show tunes.

I trust the courts of Florida.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:49 AM
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8. And letting out an outraged "BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!" while watching DC /911
eom. :D
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:56 AM
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19. Tap dancing and singing show tunes!!!!!
don't know why, but I really did laugh out loud when I read that!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:54 AM
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9. AHH!!
Oh my freakin God! These people just make me so sick! They know their whole thing was total bullshit! I can't stand these people for butting into OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES! GET THE FUCK OUT!!! *deep breath* Sorry for yelling but these people get on my last nerve.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:06 AM
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10. The right wingers took a big hit in butting into personal lives
Edited on Sun May-15-05 01:06 AM by Erika
You won't hear much support for them.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:09 AM
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11. The real joke is subtle, though.
The volunteers....are urging Florida's Department of Children and Families...to ensure that he is not currently a victim of abuse and neglect.

DCF probably wouldn't be able to find the guy.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:10 AM
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12. Put a feeding tube in it, Schindler!
Sounds like they got a nice little operation going. They can expect regular donations from our fundie friends for years to come.

Hey, I can't blame the Schindlers. My only hope on early retirement is the success of my children too. I just hope they don't have to die for it first.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:14 AM
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13.  Dr. William Hammesfahr!!!!! He's...
the asshole who was "nominated" for a Nobel and stuck his nose into Schiavo, claiming he, and he alone, could somehow regrow her brain.

Giving parents false hope once again. Kick him back under his rock.

As a Quaker, and a pacifist, I am against all violence, but there is that part of me that is becoming more difficult to suppress that says the only way to deal with these people is a baseball bat.

Or at least a 2x4.

Even a horsewhip wouldn't beat any sense, shame, or decency into them. It's got to be a bludgeon.







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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:29 AM
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24. He's a quack
Edited on Sun May-15-05 09:30 AM by alarimer
He claims he can do all this but has no data to prove it.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:16 AM
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14. This Would Call For A Civil Suit....That's What They Want
If this were my situation, I'd sue the Swindler's greedy family and supporters for everything they have.

But I'd give them another forum...another place to set up their traveling circus and hump for the bucks and get their mugs on the tube.

Hopefully all the family members involved here will tell the outsiders to get the f out and the courts will act in this case according to the medical evidence and testimony, not some trunicated media circus.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:39 AM
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15. These people are such complete hypocrites
What is it with this crowd and Florida? Is this the only state where they feel comfortable acting like whack-jobs? Two children...two babies in Texas died because hospitals refused to help them anymore. One had his life-support removed and the other was to have it removed when she died.

Yet not one of these so-called right to lifers showed their faces or lifted a finger to help these two children. Could it be because they weren't white? Why weren't they there? The parents of both children wanted them to live...to not be disconnected from their medicine or life support. So what is the difference?

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it...I hate these people...all of them. God forgive me, but I do. They are not Christians and never will be.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:46 AM
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16. Can we send them to fucking Darfur, please?
Really. If they're really worried about "Life", that's a good place to start.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:40 AM
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17. No, their compassion is limited
and Darfur is not on their map.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:49 AM
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18. Nor was Ruwanda or any other place "non-white."
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:28 AM
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20. More meddling in private affairs by 'conservatives"
Hammesfahr is a quack and fraud, btw.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:02 AM
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21. Has Dr. Bob, V.D. looked at the tapes?
He can work miracles! :sarcasm:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:11 AM
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22. Bluebear
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.



DU Moderator
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:04 PM
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25. Hiya mod....
Edited on Sun May-15-05 03:04 PM by Bluebear
I am usually very strict about that, however I thought since this was press release it would be cool. Apologies.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:26 AM
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23. Cue Hannity! Get me a media circus... STAT!
Same cast of shysters and frauds, same tearing apart of what little familial bonds still remain, same sad sad situation all around. Another public spectacle created from what should be a time of quiet dignity.

With any luck, Mr. Thomas will use his 'limited vocabulary' and tell these ghouls to leave him alone and let him die in peace.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:11 PM
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26. IF he can speak then he can tell them whether or not he wants to live or
die, right? Really, it is that simple. Why don't the courts ask him?

AND DO THESE PEOPLE THINK WE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS? Obviously the man is more incapacitated than they are admitting or a judge would simply say Mr. Patton what would you like to have happen to you?

Yes, I understand there are mental incapacities that might not allow him to think that through but my point is if he is only suffering from being mentally and physically challenged a judge can certainly see that for himself. It does NOT take a medical degree to figure out if a person is sentient in some way. Even when a person is suffering from some of the worst types of incapacitating diseases sentience can be determined by anyone with a little compassion.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:47 PM
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28. I don't see any mention of his brain function or CAT scan results.
Without those, it's impossible to tell if he has any change of recovery. Of course, since that information isn't in the 'Christian' Communication Network story, I would have to believe he has a flat EEG and no chance of recovery.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:54 PM
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29. Maybe Dr. Frist can diagnose him by videotape.
It's all the rage.
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