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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:55 AM
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Bill Moyers blasting the media on Sunday Salon
Link http://www.kpfa.org/

He even said he may have to return to the anchor chair and got tremendous applause. Catch the archive or catch him live right now.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:57 AM
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1. Will "the powers that be" allow him back in? I hope he gets back in.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:03 PM
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5. Me too
I'd love that. :D
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:58 AM
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2. This is excellent!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:01 PM
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3. Breaking in like this is really awful
I guess they feel they have to but this is the pits.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:03 PM
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4. Moyers' speech is being held hostage
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:07 PM
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6. I lost the stream and can't seem to get it back
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:09 PM by Bozita
damn!

I got it now!



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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:11 PM
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7. I got it back by starting fresh
There must be an overload of listeners. I plan on listening to it again - thank goodness for archives!

He's talking about how his program offered a different format. That being a full discussion of an issue, not two people shouting talking points. He told his staff to get to the truth of an issue since we were entering a difficult period after 9/11 with elusive, stateless enemies. and how the big media was all powerful. NOW puts the rest of the media to shame doing stories the MSM won't cover.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:11 PM
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8. Good!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:14 PM
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9. The one thing the Repukes loath is the truth
Edited on Sun May-15-05 12:14 PM by eleny
Hot damn!

Edit: "Repukes" is my word.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:19 PM
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10. I remember the flag essay --- beautiful
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:21 PM
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11. They've cut him off at the end
I am so burned!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:22 PM
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12. They're hijacking Moyers' flag essay
Will the archives include these interruptions?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:25 PM
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13. This is like arm twisting tactics
I was going to call and make a pledge but now I can't bring myself to do it. It's a shame to feel this way. But I can't help feeling suckered in and then clobbered. Nuts to them.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:30 PM
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14. text of flag essay ... incredible!
http://www.pbs.org/now/commentary/moyers19.html

Bill Moyers
on Patriotism and the Flag


I wore my flag tonight. First time. Until now I haven't thought it necessary to display a little metallic icon of patriotism for everyone to see. It was enough to vote, pay my taxes, perform my civic duties, speak my mind, and do my best to raise our kids to be good Americans.



Sometimes I would offer a small prayer of gratitude that I had been born in a country whose institutions sustained me, whose armed forces protected me, and whose ideals inspired me; I offered my heart's affections in return. It no more occurred to me to flaunt the flag on my chest than it did to pin my mother's picture on my lapel to prove her son's love. Mother knew where I stood; so does my country. I even tuck a valentine in my tax returns on April 15.

So what's this doing here? Well, I put it on to take it back. The flag's been hijacked and turned into a logo — the trademark of a monopoly on patriotism. On those Sunday morning talk shows, official chests appear adorned with the flag as if it is the good housekeeping seal of approval. During the State of the Union, did you notice Bush and Cheney wearing the flag? How come? No administration's patriotism is ever in doubt, only its policies. And the flag bestows no immunity from error. When I see flags sprouting on official lapels, I think of the time in China when I saw Mao's little red book on every official's desk, omnipresent and unread.

But more galling than anything are all those moralistic ideologues in Washington sporting the flag in their lapels while writing books and running Web sites and publishing magazines attacking dissenters as un-American. They are people whose ardor for war grows disproportionately to their distance from the fighting. They're in the same league as those swarms of corporate lobbyists wearing flags and prowling Capitol Hill for tax breaks even as they call for more spending on war.

So I put this on as a modest riposte to men with flags in their lapels who shoot missiles from the safety of Washington think tanks, or argue that sacrifice is good as long as they don't have to make it, or approve of bribing governments to join the coalition of the willing (after they first stash the cash.) I put it on to remind myself that not every patriot thinks we should do to the people of Baghdad what Bin Laden did to us. The flag belongs to the country, not to the government. And it reminds me that it's not un-American to think that war — except in self-defense — is a failure of moral imagination, political nerve, and diplomacy. Come to think of it, standing up to your government can mean standing up for your country.

What do you think?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:30 PM
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15. wow...bill moyer's fantastic...wow
it's tonic to hear honest truth about all the bush crap being spun...i love it when he said 'the only thing the republicans hate more then liberals is the truth!...just to talk truth makes you a 'liberal'!'
wow
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:36 PM
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16. Moyers speech at the Conference of Media Reform will be avail. 1pm pacific
from here>
http://www.freepress.net/conference/

they don't have capabilities to live steam like they were hoping.
:-(

The Conference is SOLD OUT, btw!

:bounce:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:41 PM
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17. Thanks!
Maybe eventually someone will have the full audio. But the transcript will be great to read! Moyers is so passionate. He's been around for so long - he was actually there for so much. A first hand knowledge that can't be refuted.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:50 PM
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18. Moyers 08!
I just love that man, how he breaks through the BS. God bless him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:24 PM
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19. I love Bill Moyers.
Best excuse for cloning ever.

Hey, you right-wing Baptists: this guy is the model you should be using, and not the yahoo in your Sunday pulpit.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:25 PM
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20. BILL, BILL, BILL, BILL, BILL...WE WANT BILL! nt
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:54 PM
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21. Videos of the conference are now available
As someone else posted above, the videos are available online at Freepress. It takes a while to download the zips. I just downloaded and opened the Quicktime of the Moyers speech. The video and sound are quite good. Here's the direct page with links to dld's on the right side. Moyers is down near the bottom. http://www.cctvcambridge.org/freepress/index.shtml
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:09 PM
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22. I love Bill Moyers!
:kick:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:31 PM
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23. I would LOOOOOVE to see
him back on the air on a regular basis!
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:42 PM
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24. I wish he would return to the anchor chair.
I like Brancacchio, but the idea of getting Moyers back...
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:47 PM
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25. Bill Moyers needs to STFU
He needs to either burn down PBS headquarters, or stop talking this way.

(Just kidding, dammit!)
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