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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:43 PM
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'Wars' Raises Questions on U.S. Policy (New Star Wars Movie)
"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy," Hayden Christensen's Anakin soon to become villain Darth Vader tells former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). The line echoes Bush's international ultimatum after the Sept. 11 attacks, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"That quote is almost a perfect citation of Bush," said Liam Engle, a 23-year-old French-American aspiring filmmaker. "Plus, you've got a politician trying to increase his power to wage a phony war." -snip-

Lucas said he patterned his story after historical transformations from freedom to fascism, never figuring when he started his prequel trilogy in the late 1990s that current events might parallel his space fantasy.

"As you go through history, I didn't think it was going to get quite this close. So it's just one of those recurring things," Lucas said at a Cannes news conference. "I hope this doesn't come true in our country.

"Maybe the film will waken people to the situation," Lucas joked. -snip-

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20050515/111618582000.html

So how soon before the Right Wing Nut Jobs begin their protest of the new Star War's movie? And will the Jedi here at the DU come out to defend an American Tradition, the Star Wars Series? May the force be with you!!! :popcorn:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:55 PM
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1. They'll probably not notice much. Just sit their eating popcorn...
Edited on Sun May-15-05 04:56 PM by calipendence
and watching light sabre sword fights without realy thinking of what the plot line's talking about. That's kind of par for the course for young wing nuts these days...

I like the way Natalie Portman's gone "Sinead" on us too, or would she be paying homage as "LUH" for Lucas's earlier work, THX-1138?...

http://us.news3.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com/util/anysize/380,http%3A%2F%2Fus.news2.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fp%2Fap%2F20050515%2Fcapt.can12705151150.france_cannes_film_festival_can127.jpg
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:05 PM
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2. Hey Cali .........
:hi: your probably correct about the right wing clones, and yea looks like she's gone "Sinead" on us. In fact some vague "Sinead' .... was it O' Connel ... O' Conner ...... song immediately popped into my head when I first saw that picture too. LOL. Peace. :)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:25 PM
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3. He was also prescient about the "clone wars" too right?
Edited on Sun May-15-05 05:27 PM by calipendence
And as you aptly described the right wing "clone" dittoheads are going to be the ones who bring this country down!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:33 PM
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5. Hopefully the drug-enforced dystopia of THX-1138 isn't the next stop
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:40 PM
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7. I wonder if George has in mind to follow up on this
original series with another one (or another prequel), which will show how that society got "created" and how we're heading that way too! It seems like we're headed to the "Electric Jesus" booths in that film. Maybe make that film or do a "more relavent" remake of the Handmaid's Tale!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:13 PM
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9. I've always envisaged VR helmets for the ultra-religious
which, with a small latency, edits reality into zealot-acceptable pablum. Offensive visuals, arguments, etc. are removed and replaced with biblical content. Jesus can be seen to your right, and speaks supportive verse.

The tech is available; I'm suprised that it hasn't occurred.

Then again, they're only a little bit away from censoring actual reality in nearly the same manner.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:22 PM
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15. Actually Portman was shaved for a movie that sounds even better!
"V is for Vendetta" is a sci-fi alternate future flick where the Nazis won World War II, where Germany has conquered Great Britain and other countries that are all now a fascist state. Sounds like it could also be "relavent" much like Star Wars was this time around.

http://www.filmstew.com/Content/Article.asp?ContentID=10511&Pg=1
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DrRang Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:32 PM
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4. Check out "Kingdom of Heaven" too
We saw it yesterday. Yeah, the good guys are unrealistically multicultural, but it gets in some good zingers about goons who consider killing Muslims to be a godly act, and the stupidity of invading the Middle East. Politics aside, it was a pretty good action movie.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:37 PM
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6. Saw Kingdom of Heaven a week ago...
I liked it too, though I admit that many critics have a point that the plot at times is a bit chopped up. I think this movie is one that I *really* want to get the extended version on DVD that will probably have an hour or so added back in from Ridley's original 3 1/2 hour cut that he chopped down for theatrical version. I'd like to believe that the extended version will have a lot better flowing plotline and have what appeared to be some top notch acting and other aspects of the film sewn together well then.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:42 PM
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8. The original trilogy, V, Blake's 7, et al, all deal with fascist states.
The public still isn't bright enough to put 1+1 together, even if it's told to them without the soap-opera drama sci-fi shroud.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:22 PM
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10. How a Republic turns into an Empire.
The story seems to happen over and over, again.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:36 PM
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11. "This is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause,"
Some Surprises in That Galaxy Far, Far Away





I.L.M./Lucasfilm/20th Century Fox
Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen in "Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith." Anthony Daniels, as C-3PO, is at left.


By A. O. SCOTT

Published: May 16, 2005





Movie Minutes: 'Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith'
A. O. Scott reviews the final installment in George Lucas's epic science fiction series.





I.L.M./Lucasfilm/20th Century Fox
The Jedi master Yoda, voiced by Frank Oz, makes a return appearance in the new film.




ANNES, France, May 15 - With "Episode III - Revenge of the Sith," the "Star Wars" cycle at last comes to an end - or rather to a middle, since the second trilogy, of which this is the final installment, comes before the first in faraway-galaxy history even though it comes later in the history of American popular culture. Like many others whose idea of movies was formed by (and to some extent against) the galactically later, terrestrially earlier "Star Wars" trilogy, I was disappointed by "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones." So I approached the recent press screening of "Episode III" in New York warily, and perhaps a little wearily, though to balance my own trepidation I brought along two fans whose enthusiasm in 2005 easily matched my own in 1977, when I was a little older than they are now and when "Star Wars" - oh, all right, "Episode IV - A New Hope" - landed in my hometown.

I was anticipating, at least, a measure of relief: finally, this extravagant, ambitious enterprise, a dominant fact of our collective cultural life for nearly 30 years, would be over. But I was hoping, a little anxiously, for more. Would George Lucas at last restore some of the old grandeur and excitement to his up-to-the-minute Industrial Light and Magic? Would my grown-up longing for a return to the wide-eyed enthusiasm of my own moviegoing boyhood - and my undiminished hunger for entertainment with sweep and power as well as noise and dazzle - be satisfied by "Revenge of the Sith"?

The answer is yeth.

This is by far the best film in the more recent trilogy, and also the best of the four episodes Mr. Lucas has directed. That's right (and my inner 11-year-old shudders as I type this): it's better than "Star Wars."




snip




http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/movies/16star.html?hp
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:29 PM
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12. And here's how I'll remember it ......
"This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause," bemoans Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman) as the galactic Senate cheers dictator-in-waiting Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) while he announces a crusade against the Jedi." -snip-

And here's my take ....... if the 'Nuclear Option' is pulled Thursday the same day of the release of the last Star Wars Movie ......

"This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause, bemoans Barbra Boxer ...... as the galactic Neo-Con Senate cheers dictator-in-waiting George W. Bush ...... while he announces a crusade against the Muslims." :crazy: ........
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:44 PM
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13. O-o-o-h-h!!! That would be an awesome way for Boxer or someone
to address the Senate by quoting that line in Star Wars! It would be *such* a loaded message that I'm sure would get talked about!

Someone should challenge her to do so. Though I guess we can't make too big of an issue of it, or it will sound "prompted". Just hoping someone like her does that tactic! That would be an awesome move!
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:09 PM
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14. Or even if she or someone ....
uses the line as '.... starts a crusade against the American people' or rather at the end of it ...... okay I'm forwarding it, maybe plant a seed for one of our Senators to use .... what the hey ...... :patriot:
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:06 PM
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16. KICKING BECAUSE FAUX NEWS JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION
"So how soon before the Right Wing Nut Jobs begin their protest of the new Star War's movie?" They just did ..... really. Said Saddam bribed the Russians and French to not vote on War when the issue was in the UN. Then said the New Star Wars Movie's political overtones is pure fantasy, unlike the real world .... according to FAUX. These guys are pathetic.
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