Hold On! There was more than Quran/Koran flushing going on!

"I could tell that you're aroused by me. How do you think Allah feels by you being attracted to an American infidel?"



I've posted this info several times here, but doesn't this start to feel like the CBS Texas National Guard/Rather retraction diversion?
In both cases the premise behind the story was true.

I wonder if any of corporate media covering the Newsweek partial retraction have bothered to invite Eric Saar on to add truth and context to the story.
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Wednesday, May 4th, 2005
Inside the Wire: A Military Intelligence Soldier's Eyewitness Account of Life at Guantanamo

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/04/1342253&mode=thread&tid=25

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AMY GOODMAN: What was she saying to him?

ERIK SAAR: She was saying, you know, it doesn't have to be this way. We could sit across a table and talk like adults, but I could tell -- and then she went on to say -- I could tell that you're aroused by me. How do you think Allah feels by you being attracted to an American infidel?

AMY GOODMAN: Did she describe her body to him?

ERIK SAAR: She did describe her body, and she walked around, and she rubbed her breasts on his back. And she was basically attempting to entice him.

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AMY GOODMAN: And so, in that case, as she was rubbing her body on him and she took off her outer blouse, what did she do then?

ERIK SAAR: Well, we took a break and then we went back. That was when she went and found a red marker to wipe red ink on her hands. We returned to the interrogation, where she told him that she was menstruating and walked around and began to put her hands in her pants and walked around the detainee and then wiped the red ink on the side of his face and told him that it was menstrual blood.

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AMY GOODMAN: Now, all of this time when she was saying things to him, things sexual in nature, you were the translator, is that right? You had to translate this into Arabic to him?

ERIK SAAR: Yes. I was there for that.

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Camp Delta : New details of abuse & sexual torture: Several interviews

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1479040,00.html
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From The 60 Minutes story:

'Sex-Up' Tactics At Gitmo?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/28/60minutes/main691602.shtml

He told 60 Minutes about one interrogation in particular, in which he translated for a female interrogator who was trying to break a high-priority prisoner — a Saudi who had been in flight school in the United States.

"As she stood in front of him, she slowly started to unbutton her Army blouse. She had on underneath the Army blouse a tight brown Army T-shirt, touched her breasts, and said, 'Don't you like these big American breasts?'" says Saar. "She wanted to create a barrier between this detainee and his faith, and if she could somehow sexually entice him, he would feel unclean in an Islamic way, he would not be able to pray and go before his God and gain that strength, so the next day, maybe he would be able to start cooperating, start talking to her."

But the prisoner wasn’t talking, so Saar said the interrogator increased the pressure.

"She started to unbutton her pants and reached and put her hands in her pants and then started to circle around the detainee. And when she had her hands in her pants, apparently she used something to put what appeared to be menstrual blood on her hand, but in fact was ink," says Saar.

"When she circled around the detainee, she pulled out her hand, which was red, and said, 'I'm actually menstruating right now, and I'm touching you. Does that please your God? Does that please Allah?' And then he kind of got pent up and shied away from her, and she then took the ink and wiped it on his face, and said, 'How do you like that?'"
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...oh, and lest we forget, we have morals and values. FUCK THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!!!

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that the Israelis advised that these kind of tactics don't work to get useful information.

As that one piece is debated, the whole mess is discredited. Then it doesn't matter what was true and what was not because it has all been lumped together.

I have a problem with all the focus being on flushing scriptures or sexual teasing when the BIG problem is torture, killings, and illegal detainment.

We are being useful idiots here to the right wing.

You saved me the time typing a reply.

of how these deliberate violations of Islamic values effect people. There are people now rioting and dying over the desecration of the Koran, I doubt if they got the RW memo.

All of these things: not the least of which is the torture, killings, and illegal detainment are inflaming millions of people around the world.

I am inflamed by it myself. My point is certain interrogation techniques being blurred with the maltreatment of detainees is getting us nowhere.

I do not support anything going on down in Guantanamo.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for creating anti-Americanism.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for creating lies that hide the truth.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for spreading poverty around the globe and they are now spreading it here in their own country.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people by violence or starvation.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for pulling humanity down with their heartless greed and insatiable thirst for power.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for betraying their own people.

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for "high crimes and misdemeanors".

The right-wing corporacrats are responsible for representing the absolute worst of being human.

The right-wing corporacrats CAN'T HANDLE POWER because they are too weak to restrain themselves from abusing it.

as the country.

Fetuses are sacred.
Grown fetuses are dispensible for certain of the religious and their partners in politics.

The confusing "retraction" is occuring because of the strong pressure being applied by the government. A number of DUers have accurately explained on a few threads how insulting the recently exposed "actions" are to the Islamic world. The results could be more death and destruction than the general public can imagine. It can lead those Muslims who were not strongly anti-USA to become our most immediate of enemies. The government is attempting to avoid this by lying, and pressuring others to lie to cover for them.

from what I've read today the allegations appear to be true.
I am also trying to draw attention to the way the corporate media is using this controversy to obscure the truth once again.

The Rs certainly also got the memo, they are out there attacking Newsweek with a shrill hateful venom.

What a bunch of sick perverts!

Made me think back to the first days of Guantanamo Bay, and the allegations that just these sick and twisted actions were occurring there, and all the people here (it's always the same ones who try to justify shooting reporters and such) went ballistic on us "America haters."

I believe they desecrated the Q'uran--of course they did, anything to torment their captives and break them down.

"getting down to their level"

this truth will not go away. too many witnesses

"Sure, boss, whatever you say--Newsweek made a mistake, and you are the guy who always tells me the truth. Okey dokey, it never happened."

memo is more important than the UK memo.

in a H.Bosch on bad acid kind way for OVER 2 years now. This is NOT ABOUT some stupid American propaganda mouthpiece magazine. These stories have been circulating for YEARS, corroborated in communities, film at fuckin' 11.

Americans have held their agents of death, destruction and exploitation truly accountable for exactly -0-. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Basta. NICHTS.

It's too disgusting to behold anymore. May this be a "tipping point" for all of our sakes. Newsweek is as much to blame as the cell-phone cameras that recorded the prison atrocities.