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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 03:59 PM
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Is the extremist PUSH to Christian governance a form of socialism
Just wonderin'.

They don't see themselves as pushing a theocracy thingy.

They don't see themselves as pushing a commie thingy.

So, they want to dictate morals and economic justice. Isn't that a form of socialism?

I don't know the answer because I sincerely do NOT understand their goal (other than imposing power over others and ego-driven stuff and incapacity to escape their box and all that).
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:03 PM
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1. Fascism. You apparently don't understand
various types of government organization, either.

So, they want to dictate morals and economic justice. Isn't that a form of socialism?

Good grief, NO!!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:07 PM
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5. Naw. Just compelling the point.
Sorry I have to point out the obvious but there are so many people who just don't get the obvious.

Of COURSE it is fascism.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:04 PM
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2. The radical right are tools of the FASCISTS
ORwell would be proud
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:04 PM
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3. No.
It is not socialism, nor is it fascism. It is theocracy.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:54 PM
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9. I startled you, my friend. The point is how Hitler misused words,...
Edited on Wed May-18-05 04:55 PM by Just Me
,...to fulfill his objective of POWER.

Hitler portrayed himself as a champion of socialism, taking care of people,...and combining extreme corporate and religious interest in his faux representation.

Conservative "Compassion" is parallel to such misuse: corporacrats combining Christianity in order to manipulate the masses toward destructive imperialistic endeavors.

:hug: *LOL* :hug:

I'm tickled because,...when my son sneaks up and startles me,...I'm not sure whether to slap him or break down in laughter. He's not sure whether to hug me or run away.

I prolly deserve the same chiding I give to my son. But, he and I do startle awake.

I sorry I shocked you.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:05 PM
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4. NO!
Socialism has nothing to do with "dictating Morals", and the Fristians are in NO way advocates of economic justice.


What you are describing is a Totalitarian or Authoritarian government, or a Theocracy.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:13 PM
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6. True. They do NOT advocate either social or economic justice.
Rather, they want to DICTATE social and economic justice,...just like Hitler did.

They believe they are serving society by dictating.

Hitler and his men did the same. They called themselves "socialists".

Are getting the connection?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:25 PM
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7. Just because my cat has kittens in the oven,
that doesn't make them biscuits.

The NAZIs had NOTHING to do with socialism...just like the Fristians have nothing to do with Christianity. They just stole the name.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:05 PM
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13. Thank you. You are drawing out the point.
Edited on Wed May-18-05 05:06 PM by Just Me
"Compassionate Conservatives" is a modern day extraction from "socialism" that Hitler USED to convince people he cared about their well-being.

Both are a lie. Both are being wielded as a means to manipulate the masses towards empowering the power-mongers who don't really give a shit about the well-being of others.

We have an imperiously close parallel between a power-mongering Evil of the past and a power-mongering Evil using the same tactics against us NOW.

I was kinda hoping to draw the attention of the less knowledgeable on this reality,...but, I failed. Instead, I startled the beejeezus outta' my patriots.

I'm sorry.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:28 PM
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8. The Nazis were socialists just like the Patriot act is Patriotic.
They simply took over the socialist party and kept the name. Actually, the patriot act is different because it's intentionally misleading.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:57 PM
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11. The name Nazi was meant to confuse people, too (nt)
nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:25 PM
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17. ZACTLY!!! My objective was to challenge that label,....
,...recklessly associated with Hitler's horrors when, in reality, his corporacrat backers, who are ruling this country and imposing its will upon the world THIS DAY, were simply utilizing a popular interest to their benefit.

Today, they use "compassionate conservativism" as a means to wield their power.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:56 PM
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10. totalitariiasm, yes.
Perhaps you could say it's like the Soviets, in terms of seeking to control all apects of people's lives (even beyond the Soviets.)

But it's not socialist.

Socialism is economic.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 04:58 PM
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12. Facism
That's all it is. They are facists.

No enemy could destroy the USA, but it appears to be getting destroyed from within by the facists neo conservative movement.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:12 PM
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15. BUT, they view themselves as "compassionate conservatives",...
,...just as Hitler's regime of corporacrats and religiosities called themselves "socialists".

They believe they are the ONLY ones who can take care of and FIX humanity.

See the parallels?

Maybe, I am failing to bear fruit on this post.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:27 PM
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18. I am just calling it for what it is
and your right, they do believe they are the only ones with the 'right' ideas and the only ones who know the difference between right and wrong.

There are so many parallels it makes my head spin.... those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:09 PM
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14. I would call it a form of totalitarianism, not socialism.n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:18 PM
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16. "They" see it as "compassion", the replacement word for "socialism".
Edited on Wed May-18-05 05:19 PM by Just Me
I realize what I am trying to do here seems convoluted.

It's not.

I'm just trying to draw into the shoes of the new and improved corporacratic-theocrats.

In Hitler's day, they called themselves "socialists" because it was popular (taking care of one another). Today, they call themselves "compassionate conservatives" 'cause it's popular,...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:52 PM
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19. I am being "bad" BUT aren't the corporaFristians trying to "socialize" us
In precisely the same way that the Hitler regime did, using a popular term of the moment, "socialism"?

Aren't they trying to "socialize" (EG CONTROL) our country and the whole world via another phrase "compassionate conservatism"?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:56 PM
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20. It seems someone's poisoned the word socialism for you
But yeah, I get what you're saying. I think.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:59 PM
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21. No, it is a simple social reaction
As simply as it can be put. The religious right holds to static traditional moral ideas. Fixed in stone kind of thing. Even though our society has a more fluid evolving form of morality. Thus over time those that wish to hold to fixed morality are placed under increasing stress by a progressive society. As long as the bulk of people stand behind and see the sense of the progress the static groups can do little but grumble.

But once the advances become increasining complex beyond the plain sense of the majority the force propelling society forward slows down. As more nuanced understandings of morality develop from the reasoned approach it becomes increasingly difficult for people to understand the sense of the advance.

Keep in mind the people grow up within the older society and move to the newer society. Thus their sense of comfort is based on the older ways. Even if they understand the necessity of the changes in moral understanding they begin to grow weary of the constant change. Eventually the fatigue and the complexity of the advances moves beyond what they can support and they begin to balk.

Its not so much that the majority turn against the advances. Its just that they grow tired of fighting for things they understand less. And it is then that they conservatives rise up and begin to try to reimpose their archaic views.
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