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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:03 AM
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they did 9-11 too soon, they should've waited till the second term
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:04 AM by mopaul
now the jump in polls w got after 9-11 is all petered out and he has 3 1/2 years to go.

what to do, what to do?

...of course, there wouldn't have been a second term without 9-11
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:04 AM
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1. Look at his ratings before 9/11
They were pretty low then too. They'll figure something out.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:08 AM
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4. Self delete
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:10 AM by comsymp
Mopaul's edit made my original comment redundant.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:03 PM
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48. I think
they did the right timing. It wasn't too suspecious at the time and his raitings got up and he was able to do something. I wonder if they'll do anything this time. Even though the republicans control all of the government (one of their goals with 9/11) they're still not getting anything done.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:05 AM
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2. If you'll allow me a harmless fantasy....
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:05 AM by Pacifist Patriot
Impeach!

I want the lot of them in chains.

ETA: Yes I do know this is unrealistic given the red tint in DC these days.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:11 AM
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5. Kick @ss in the '06 Midterms
THEN IMPEACH!!

Bannanaface Cookoo Commander is going to reap what he has sewn when the House is back in the Dems hands.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:14 AM
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11. As we type I am sitting here working my precinct
as a precinct captain.

My only problem with impeachment is with whomever is in the position to assume the presidency when Bush is hauled off to jail.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:04 PM
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49. Question with that
Couldn't the whole lot of them be impeached since they all were involved? Also if we take back the government next year we could have real hearings on voting fraud and if it's proven that Bush lost couldn't he be impeached and Kerry put in?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:14 PM
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51. Honestly have no idea.
Given the magnitude of the catastrophe -- let's face it, we are not talking mere scandal here -- I would think we'd see a domino affect rather than just Bush, but who knows.

Ever since November 2 I have wondered what would happen if fraud were determined and a Kerry win proven. Legally I haven't a clue what would result.

It'll be ugly whatever happens.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:08 AM
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3. He needed it
Like a vampire, he feeds on blood.
The polls are only slumping to his natural level - about 30% of the people love him as their savior and will never see the mistakes that W never made.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:12 AM
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6. So what's up their sleeves NEXT?!
:scared:
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:12 AM
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7. i think we all know
and are afraid to say it.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:13 AM
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8. There would not have been a second term without 9/11
think about it...:evilgrin:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:13 AM
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9. Don't worry. They have plenty of options. No. 1 -
Bomb Iran.

2. Bomb Syria.

3. Bomb North Korea.

4. Rebuild New York.

5. Rebuild Washington, DC

6. Rebuild . . .

O8) :evilfrown: B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) :dunce: :+ B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) :bounce: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:23 AM
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14. You forgot Poland
;)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:33 AM
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20. We'll have the Luftwaffe do that for us
"Springtime for Hitler and Germany, Winter for Poland and France"

:party: :bounce:
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:09 AM
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33. And Venezuela n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:19 PM
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52. If you look at it
9/11 was the PERFECT timing for them. Look at this information:

Date of the attack. 9/11= 9+1+1= 11

September 11th is the 254th day of the year. 2+5+4=11

After September 11th there are 111 days left of the year.

The towers standing side by side looks like the number eleven.

The first plane that hit was Flight 11.

State of New York was the eleventh state to enter the Union.

New York City is eleven letters.

Pentagon is eleven letters.

Afghainstain is eleven letters.

Ramzi Yousef is eleven letters. (he did the attack in 1993)

Flight eleven had ninety-two people on board which equals eleven.

Flight seventy-seven had sixty-five people on board which equals eleven.

All this: Coincidence? I don't think so.

Check this information out: http://reason.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/11.html
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:26 AM
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17. You forgot Venezuela
Surely that's on the list
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:38 AM
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21. We'll let Mussolini deal with them.
"Every dictator is a baffled anarchist". - without apology to B.M.

:spray:
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:09 AM
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34. Oops! Sorry!
should have kept reading before posting!
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DawnneOBTS Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:14 AM
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10. I would REALLY hope
...that in '06 congress becomes BLUE once again. What are we going to do if these wackos are still roaming around? For all we know they are trying to cook up a plan to have him elected for a third term. After all, he is a "wartime" president.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:16 AM
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12. How could he have invaded Iraq...
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:17 AM by tyedyeto
without 9/11? Nothing else could have justified it early on.

Look for another 'terrorist attack' in the next couple of months to bring him out of this slump.

edit...left a word out.
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presario Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:48 AM
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22. You think 911 was concocted by Bush?
I'll be the first to admit Bush is kind of stupid, and all, but do you really think that he set up 911 somehow? That's going a bit far isn't it? Even I have toruble believing he would kill 3000 people to make himself look good.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:50 AM
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23. PNAC, PNAC, PNAC -eom
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:55 AM
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26. No, I'm not a LIHOP or a MIHOP but...
he used it to further his plan for the invasion by implying that Saddam was the mastermind. Where else did 70% of the population get the idea that he did that horrible act and not Bin Laden?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:56 AM
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27. I have no trouble believing Commander Cuckoo Bananas
"would kill 3000 people to make himself look good." Not at all. A firm believer in LIHOP/MIHOP, here.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:02 AM
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29. ah, the incompetence theory
Edited on Thu May-19-05 10:03 AM by rman
The neocons' mantra:
"Those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior". -- Leo Strauss, godfather of contemporary neocon thinking and teacher of amongst others, Paul Wolfowitz.

They are Machiavellianists; they'll do anything they think they can get away with if it advances their goals. Obviously the very first thing they do is lie about their real motives and goals.

For background info on these matters i refer to google, between the other replies to your message and this one you got all the search terms you need.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:06 AM
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32. BTW, welcome to DU n/t
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impeachthescoundrel Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:45 AM
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41. YES YES YES I DO
think he and his minions engineered the whole thing. There is absolutely NOTHING I would put past him. And for an afterthought, he would never have gotten a second term without the republican made voting machines.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:56 PM
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46. You don't think Bush's people would be willing to..
Edited on Thu May-19-05 12:57 PM by SeveneightyWhoa
..sacrifice 3000 lives in order to change the entire dynamic of the world in order to fit their agenda?

Get real.

I don't believe MIHOP, but if you think these evil wackjobs truly give a damn about 3000 lives, then you're living in a dream world.

They'd kill half of America (ie. the liberal side) if it was legal and wouldn't cost their side any votes.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:01 PM
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47. They've killed over 100,000 people in Iraq
3,000 is the same number of people that were killed during the utterly pointless invasion of Panama perpetrated by his father. You think these people care about the lives of 3,000 people?

Though Bush is obviously not the mastermind of anything, he's just a brainless poster boy that got the job because of his pedigree. Look at the man who's hiding behind the throne of the mad king, whispering poisenous words into his ear. (hint: the veep)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:21 PM
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53. Look into some of the information
also go to http://www.mininova.org and check out the documentary section and watch some of the 9/11 documentaries. The best one is: "9/11: The Greatest Lie Ever Sold."
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:19 AM
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13. Funny...just this morning I was thinking that they are going to
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:26 AM by higher class
pull something like a terrorist 'act' (read plan) that will 'incapacitate' Bush from his role, but not remove him. They will keep him in place in spite of whatever they say 'happens' to him, but will announce that Cheney will act on his behalf with the help of Laura. They will say that it will be in the best interest of the country to retain him as President in the eyes of the country because he is so beloved, but everyday affairs will be handled by Cheney.

I say this because their arrogance and agenda will not tolerate a low approval score. He is in the way. We know that they occupied his time on 9-11, we know that it was said that he demanded to be taken back to the WH after flying around in the atmosphere for 2/3rds of a day (after he caught on too their agenda?), they let him bike during the 'latest plane scare', they had the grenade episode, there all the bruises on his face, they have him flying around on a single agenda purpose, his gaffs are getting worse, it is becoming obvious to everyone that he does not understand all the issues. All the usual and new stuff. It appears to be building.

I don't know if the law permits an 'inactive' President. The entire purpose, if permitted, is to gain sympathy, sorrow, and deepen the MOANS and pledges of loyalty from the followers-swallowers. More importantly, it is to get approval ratings up from the borderline supporters so that they can rally 'round again.

Of course, the will have low approval ratings with Dick, but the right wing media will take care of that problem for awhile. Everyone gets a one to five year or a unlimited honeymoon with the right wing media.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:26 AM
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19. They will use any ploy and distroy anybody to hold onto power.
If bush* doesn't worry about that, he really is as dumb as we insist he is.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:24 AM
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15. Perhaps Osama will be found...
Yeah, maybe they'll just pull him out of hiding place. That would bring dubya's poll numbers up a little.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:25 AM
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16. there was a new Zarqawi video yesterday!
i actually heard that said on the t.v. news, then it vanished.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:26 AM
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18. Without it, there wouldn't have been a second term
hell, without 9/11, he wouldn't have even been able to finish the first term.
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Chef Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:00 AM
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28. Terma-nal
I couldn't agree more. Without 9/11, faux cowboy/oil man would be sacking groceries at the Piggly-Wiggly. I can't quite bring myself to completely believe that Osama was clever enough to think that with * all he had to do was pull off one attack and * would do the rest for him. But, because 9/11 allowed dufus to get another term and enlarge his band of minions, it will speed up the ruination of this country. Hopefully, before that happens, the people will wake up and run him and his flying monkeys out of town in time to save what's left of this country.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:44 AM
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42. He couldn't get a job as a bagger unless his father got it for him
He's not smart or qualified enough to do it on his own merit.

Actually, I always figured that if he weren't president he would just be sitting at home, drinking and doing coke.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:50 PM
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45. "sacking groceries at the Piggly-Wiggly"? Aw, c'mon!
He just would have gone back to being the Bin Laden family's local representative in Texas for their oil interests!

But I do think that Osama got a lot more than he bargained for. His intention was just to provoke the U.S. into putting its troops into an unwinnable quagmire in Afghanistan. He didn't really think that b*sh would also obey his demands to pull U.S. forces out of Saudi Arabia and overthrow the secular Westernized government of Iraq, as well as getting our troops bogged down in a second, even more hopeless quagmire in another Muslim country!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:51 AM
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24. well, they can do it again, only better.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:53 AM
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25. Never Under Estimate Karl Rove, He Is Capable Of ANYTHING......
.....including starting another war or two.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:33 AM
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38. Iran should be heating up soon...
The predicted date had been this June.
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:03 AM
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30. there wouldnt have been a second term without 9/11 nt
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:04 AM
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31. like i said
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:14 AM
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35. Ah, more opinion from the intelligentsia!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:15 AM
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36. oh, there you are
i see i've drawn you out again
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:36 AM
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39. Your parents should have named you Ad Hominem.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:16 AM
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37. No 9-11, no second term. This admin has NOTHING to offer.
Edited on Thu May-19-05 10:17 AM by Zenlitened
No real economic policies, no plans to promote growth while preserving the environment, no plans to create wealth. They're all about picking at the carcass, grabbing what they can. Without the phony patriotism and blantant fear-mongering, what did they have to sell the voters on a second term?
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:38 AM
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40. You Seen To Assume That There Isn't One Scheduled!
I keep waiting for the next one!
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:35 PM
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43. They needed the excuse to invade Afganistan
The Taliban had already rejected their "a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs" ultimatum to let them build the oil pipeline thru Afgan
territory and they had notified the government of India in July that they planned to invade Afganistan in October.

Also, the news was about to break that some 60,000 votes for Al Gore were illegally left uncounted in Florida and they were desperate to bury it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:49 PM
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44. Maybe, but they needed to get the oil in Iraq.
Bush was already in trouble for a number of things when he first stole the presidency like, theft of an election, Harken, etc. Plus, they needed a reason to create a police state while illegally invading another country for oil. The second Bush term: war with Iran, Syria et al, and complete domination of the world's oils supply. If I were 18, I'd be headed for Canada right now...

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:12 PM
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50. BUT
They had to get the Iraq war in the first term. It was more important than a second term-I think it was/is Bush's entire raison d'etre. (Probably on the implant chip-nah..just his monstorous stupid ego that thinks he can profit from his idea of whatever "freedom" is-profit good-freedom good-win win.. simpletons do not make leaders)

So mission accomplished. Little did they realize how badly they would fuck it up-so yes 9/11 part deux is their only hope for any more foreign adventures.
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