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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:00 AM
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The Right now admits Global Warming, but ... it's a GOOD THING!
What the hell? After years of our Exxon-Bush government repeatedly denying the existence of global warming, the Right is changing its tactics. Now they are starting to say that global warming is real - but IT'S A GOOD THING!

The National Center for Policy Analysis, one of the many right-wing think thanks that set the rules for forthcoming Republican thought and media spin, have two articles on their front page claiming that global warming is good for the planet.

GLOBAL WARMING: FAMINE -- OR FEAST?

<snip>

Indeed, a warmer planet has beneficial effects on food production. It results in longer growing seasons -- more sunshine and rainfall -- while summertime high temperatures change little. And a warmer planet means milder winters and fewer crop-killing frosts ...

Article here:
http://www.ncpa.org/newdpd/dpdarticle.php?article_id=1710

and ...

CLIMATE FORECAST: WARM AND SUNNY

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Global warming also brings additional CO2, which acts like fertilizer for plants. As the planet warms, oceans naturally release huge tonnages of additional CO2 that dwarf the output from our cars and factories. (Cold water can hold much more of a gas than warmer water.) For plants, it’s like letting Lance Armstrong carry an oxygen tank on his racing bike, explains Avery ...

Article here:
http://www.ncpa.org/newdpd/dpdarticle.php?article_id=1711

This argument is a needed adjustment for the Oil Plutocracy. They are having an increasingly harder time arguing that global warming does not exist. Therefore, they're changing their argument to say that it exists, but it's actually a good-happy-fun thing for you and your children. The result: still no action on climate change, and hence no negative effects on the energy industry's profits. Mission accomplished.


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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:35 AM
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1. Never mind little inconveniences like prolonged droughts
because there are no more glaciers feeding the river systems; unchecked spread of tropical disease; flooding of low-lying islands and coastal plains; longer and stronger hurricane seasons; longer and stronger tornado seasons; likely collapse of the gulf current, resulting in a 'little ice age' that will compromise most fertile lands in Europe...
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:38 AM
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2. Why should you wonder?
Global Warming may be devastating for all the "little brown people" in the world, but it may be a pretty good thing for North American and North-Western European agriculture and climate, where all the "civilized" people live...

IdiotsIdiotsIdiots!!!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:43 PM
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19. Glad you think so
We're already in drought with no end in sight.

We used to be knee deep in wheat.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:46 AM
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3. Aah, sweet, nourishing carbon dioxide! n/t
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:00 AM
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5. Gimmee 500ppm! do I hear 700?
I loves me some hot weather, I tell you what!
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:21 AM
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8. "If 30-degree winters...
...are the *snicker* price of global warming... you'll forgive this old news reporter if he keeps his old Pontiac!"
- Kent Brockman
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:59 AM
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4. I grow trees, I have started a fruit orchard, and this is absolute crap
Here's why

First off most species of trees need down time, dormancy, which varies between 300-500 at temperatures below forty degrees F. If they don't get this, growth, health and fruit production are all impacted negatively. If this only happens once in a while, that's fine, the tree will recover. If it happens on a yearly basis, it will cause many species of trees to start dying out.

This need for dormancy is also true for many other plants, with similar outcomes. We could be looking at having half of our plant species become extinct due to temperature increase and warm winters.

In addition, we will be overrun with insects. Winter is a natural check on bugs, and many die during the cold weather. If we get warm winters, we will be absolutely infested with ticks, mosquitos and other insects detrimental to mankind.

This is just so much horseshit being put out by the polluters. It has gotten to the point that nobody, even if they're not in their right mind, like those RW crazies, can deny that global climate change is happening. So these people who want to keep on polluting for fun and profit are going to their fall back position, spin spin spin. Damn, if I didn't have to live on this planet with them, I would let them do what they will. But alas, I do live here, and I wish to hand the Earth down to future generations in as good as shape as I can. Hopefully that will be possible.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:36 AM
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10. Not to mention that your orchard might be under water. Most fruit trees
don't do too well in saturated soil.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:01 AM
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14. Maybe, but doubtful.
I'm thinking more that a drought will undo my little orchard. It wouldn't suprise me, the drought out west is starting to creep into the Great Plains and Midwest, where I live.

However I will continue to plant it. It is my message of hope in a bottle, that I cast upon the seas of time, hoping that it will wash onshore in the future, and be appreciated by those who come after.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:06 AM
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15. I should have said SOME orchards, maybe not yours. Just another
example of a possible unintended consequence of allowing global warming to occur.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:23 PM
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16. I beleive the US corporatist are banking on global warming affecting
Europe and Asia more than it will affect the Americas. That was the drift I picked up a few years ago. One bad side effect will be the grain belt moving north deeper into Canada.

Also, a melting polar ice sheet will give bush's oily friends better access to Alaskan oil fields.

Of course their equipment and housing will sink into the melting permafrost.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:02 AM
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6. Um what about all the deaths from the European summer heatwaves?
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:21 AM
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7. Deaths in Old Europe?
Hell, lots of 'em were CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS! Any weather disruption that kills French people must be okay with the reichpublicans.

Merde sur ce merde!
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:44 AM
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12. heck, the Washington Post MOCKED the dead, sneering
"who needs A/C now?!"
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:33 AM
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9. Dennis Avery distorts the data again. More CO2 is good for plants only
if CO2 is the limiting factor. Guess what, if nitrogen or water are the limiting factors (very likely possibility), the crop plant may be worse off, particularly if it is a C3 metabolism plant and some of its weed competitors are C4 metabolism plants. Furthermore, we simply don't have enough data on plant responses to elevated CO2 to know which plants will benefit and which might actually be harmed. For myself, I would rather do the experiments in greenhouses than use the whole planet to do the experiment.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:41 AM
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11. How, exactly, does global warming provide "more sunshine"?
Huh?

If the article is implying more sunny days, that contradicts "more rainfall". Methinks this isn't a well thought-out argument.


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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:58 AM
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13. Well, you see, the earth is warmer so it gives off more heat, This in
turn heats up the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to escape into space and with no atmosphere, more sunshine gets through. Wait, that would have bad results wouldn't it? What was the question? Whatever, just tell everyone to wear a big hat and lots of sunscreen. That will create the need for more jobs. With more jobs people will be able to afford more and bigger cars (creating even more jobs!)and keep thermostats set higher. In the summer the air conditioners will have to run longer so that means they will wear out faster (more jobs!) NOt only that, the sea levels will rise so more boats will be needed (more jobs!). And all of these things in turn will mean more CO2 and more global warming (more sunshine and more jobs!), which I said was a good thing, right? So everybody wins.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:25 PM
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17. This is a fairly old myth.
Edited on Fri May-20-05 12:26 PM by K-W
It is one of the reasons that global climate change is the more useful phrase.

Some form of the argument "Global warming will create a tropical ilsand paradise heaven on earth" has persisited since the term Global Warming was first told to stupid people.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:39 PM
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18. You can put your wetsuit and scuba tank on
to go pick your vegetables!!! Great idea!!
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