Just saw Barbara Boxer at the grocery store in Bay Area (3PM PST)!

I live a few blocks from her and she shops regularly at the local grocery store...I talk to her regularly, but was surprised to see her today...I figured w/ all going on, that she would be back in DC...

I told her not to stop fighting these bastards and that we can't compromise...I told her that a bunch of my fellow Moms were planning on participating on Tuesday in the "citizens fillibuster"...she looked almost moved to tears...she said that things are scary, scarier than she ever thought possible and the worst she has ever seen politics in her life. The fight for our life she said....I told her not to give in or compromise....I told her that they aren't to be trusted and if there was ever a time to fight for our democracy, it was now! I reminded her of how similar to the United Airlines Management reneging on their promises to the unions, that any compromise with the GOP will only be reneged on in the future, so if the Dems are hoping to make a deal with the devil, it will ultimately fail and may cost them more in the end. She just shook her head in disbelief and said she wouldn't stop fighting.

I walked away from my conversation with her atleast feeling that she won't quit, no matter what. But I also saw in her eyes a concern, a fear that I can't quite describe. It left me feeling very sick to my stomach given what's going on in our country.

I love Boxer...I wish there were more Dems like her out there, but I can tell from her conversation with me that things are really bad...worse than anyone can imagine. I've probably had about 10 conversations with her in the last year....Never saw her like this...but I do know one thing...she will fight for all of us to the bitter end....but I sure hope the rest of the Dems and some Republicans (real Republicans, not the Neo-con variety) wake up and realize what is on the line....our democracy....

:patriot:

:kick:

I fear for her safety.

I got them in my prayers.

John Conyers too. He and Barbara Boxer are in my prayers constantly.

Go Barbara !!!

She is fighting for us

Do you ever get the feeling that the Bush admin is blackmailing
all the Democrats, and or threatening them with horrendous things?
That look in her eyes says something to that affect

With the anthrax scare and all......

just can't be that many long-term repug Senators that are willing to completely blow up our system of government without some major dirt on each of them. I know they are repugs but at one time they were Americans, too. The repugs are not fighting for the American system of government but just a form of Taliban Lite and I can't believe they would do that just on the whim of a spoiled brat from Texas. I would like to think that when push comes to shove their patriotism will win out over partisanship but I don't think so. What on earth does Rove have on these people?

Citizens for Legitimate Government sent this email today -

Citizens for Legitimate Government
20 May 2005
http://www.legitgov.org/

http://legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

GOP Files Cloture Motion to End Debate --The Senate's Republican majority today began a countdown to a vote that has been dubbed the "nuclear option," a decision on whether to end the ability of the chamber's minority to use filibusters to block the appointment of federal judges. After a third day of debate on one of Dictator Bush's most controversial judicial nominees, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) filed a cloture motion to end the debate and put the nomination to a vote.

One probable way: using base closings in moderate Republicans' states, but probably lots of others too.

a) threatned and blackmailed (why else did Vionovich still vote for Bolton even though he doesn't like him?)
b) promised something big if they corporate.

They also know Bush and the neocons have Rove on their side and they're afraid of him. Look what they did to Max Cleland for example.

"b) promised something big if they corporate."

I think you meant 'cooperate', but in context, 'corporate' makes oh so much sense. :(

ed: clar.

Would it be too tinfoily hat of me to think that Chandra was murdered to smear Condit and make him lose his seat in Congress? Could this have been a warning to the other Dems in Congress that their secret lives could be exposed as easily? These people have already proved that they are experts in character assassination.

Also, remember the Anthrax delivered to Tom Daschles office as well.

Now I know for a fact that nothing will stop these BFEE agents. What I once suspected, is now factual. The ends justifies the means to them including murder. Blackmail, bribery and instilling fear in their victims are common operations to them.

Were the rethugs in charge of the press in Aug '01 You be the judge..

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html

A Death in the Congressman's Office
Does Anybody in the Press Care About Lori Klausutis?
By Denis Wright and Chris George

August 8, 2001 (APJP)

<snip>
The story had a brief flutter in the Northwest Florida press, which ran a few very short stories on Lori's death. With the exception of the Northwest Florida Daily News, they were of the "Aw-what-a-shame/ nothing-to-see-here-move-along-now-folks" variety. But nationally, this mysterious death earned a mere one paragraph mention in The Washington Post's NATION IN BRIEF column:

"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

....

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

....

Here are the facts. Lori Klausutis had a seemingly happy life. A devoted husband who listed on his online homepage "being married to Lori" as one of the honors he enjoyed, a new home in Niceville and a Catholic congregation where she was a cantor and in whose choir she sang, were some of the elements of the Good Life she enjoyed. Her husband, Dr. Timothy Klausutis, did research and development for the munitions group at nearby Eglin Air Force Base, where he presumably made a good livelihood. Although Lori hailed from the Atlanta, Georgia area where she had attended school, there were numerous family members in the area. According to her obituary in the Fort Walton Daily News, Lori had served as President and, later, Treasurer, for the Emerald Coast Young Republicans and as a aide to Congressman Scarborough, she was active during the Florida recounts. A former neighbor, Barbara Cromer, said "Every morning, I would see her run while I walked. We'd wave to each other as we passed. I loved Lori so much. She was wonderful. She was a kind, generous person, so sweet.

Then, on Friday, July 20th, the body of Lori Klausutis, 28, was found slumped next to a desk on the floor of Florida Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach office where Lori had served as a constituent services coordinator since May, 1999. Her body was found around 8:00 a.m. on Friday morning by a couple arriving for an appointment. She had been dead for some time. A second employee, who would have normally arrived for work at around the same time, was away on vacation. Police cordoned off the area for investigation, later announcing that there was no reason to suspect foul play, nor were there signs of suicide.

more....


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/lori_klausutis.htm

"The results of the mandated autopsy, however, were deemed 'inconclusive' by Dr. Michael Berkland

"Dr. Michael Berkland, it turns out, has a very interesting background himself. Recently relocated to Florida, it is a matter of public record that Dr. Berkland's medical license in the state of Missouri was revoked in 1998 as a result of Berkland reporting false information regarding brain tissue samples in a 1996 autopsy report. Berkland does not deny the charges.

"It's also a matter of public record that he was suspended from his position as Medical Examiner in the State of Florida in July, 1999"

The more you read the worse it is.

that the mafia thugs & bootleggers a-la 20's-40's, went whitecollar, drugs, national influence.
Hope that's not why Boxer has great concern.

to members of Congress. Remember that? Whatever happened? Was there an end of the story?

I believe that just because everyone treats BBV as a conspiracy theory, that doesn't mean that they don't believe it is not true. I believe that BBV is the dirtiest, widest known, open 'secret' in Washington. That in conjunction with KKKarl's bag of dirty tricks is all the blackmail that the neo-thugs need to keep people in line.

But look at how easy it is to smear them. You just did.

Again, there is the whole block of Republicans who were standing together and beating each other back into the party line. Some of them probably are worried enough about the things people could find out... haven't there been about 6 Republicans thrown out of the closet in the last 6-8 months? Things that DEMS accept as a fact of life are a "smear" to them.

Today Paul Craig Roberts (major Republican) stepped out of the line, called for Bush's Impeachment. But this is a really new development.

I don't think all Republican's are bad, but blackmail can be about the stupidest things.

I thought you said the dems were being blackmailed. And a republican called for Bush's impeachment? Got a link? Thanks!

Very fair and non-partisan. He has really disappointed me.

If BB is scared, it's time to start sweating.

about? What's comin' down that she knows?

if or when her plane will crash or any of her family will get a sudden urge to leap through a closed window or if she'll be the star of the next bizarre media circus. These people are fucking crazy and the whole Senate knows it. (As does most of Earth)

She is one of the only ones truly fighting for us and she does it every day while so many other Senators just phone it in. If we had 40 more Senators like her, we wouldn't be in this mess.

That woman is a true hero...

Barbara,

I really feel blessed that the DEMS are fighting so hard and I know you were in there early on and it must be hard for you, scary in these dangerous times.

I'm torn because I have deep faith, but faith is being used as a weapon to murder and destroy, so I won't be praying in a church for you. Only in my heart and with as many friends as I can muster... oh, and some of my other friends, you know, the Democratic Underground, are keeping you in their thoughts as well.

Be safe.

Thank you so much for your valiant efforts on our behalf. WE the PEOPLE will NEVER FORGET your contributions. Well, maybe we'll get old and the specifics will melt out of our brains, but WE KNOW YOU ARE a TRUE BLUE DEM and we are proud to stand with you.

Call us out if you ever get in trouble. Really. We will drop what we are doing and come to help - at least enough of us to do whatever needs doing.

http://www.democraticundergound.com

As of Fri May 20th 2005, 09:08 PM
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boxer.senate.gov/contact

Dear Senator Boxer,

I have to admit I am very frightened by the moves the Bush administration has made in its second term. You are one of the few who has stood firm. Please, you must convince your fellow Democrats not to compromise with these criminals, for that is what the GOP is today: nothing but criminals. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

The Republic is dying. You know it. Please try harder to convince your fellow senators to be as outspoken as the Scottish observer, Mr. Galloway. Anything less would be a disservice to those you represent. Take the fight to them, Senator Boxer. No more Mr. / Mrs. Nice Dems, OK? Most Democrats are still behaving as if they are dealing with reasonable opponents. You aren't! The GOP has morphed into a neo-fascist group. Treat them like the fascists they are and maybe you can rally people behind you.

Right now, we don't know how to fight them. There is no clear path to follow, no leader. The Democrats must become a true opposition party. If you do, I swear to stand behind you.

I'm a member of the Democratic Underground: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/ . We are an online community of tens of thousands. All you have to do is ask and we will be there for you.

But it was 50K not 30K... :D

And yes, all she would have to do is ASK. I think we could all get behind her in whatever way necessary.

Thanks, Beam Me Up, Tigress DEM and everyone. I think we're looking for a leader in these troubled times and Boxer is quite inspiring.

is taking a break until Tuesday when Frist is claiming he will go nuclear. At this point he doesn't have the votes so he's bluffing big time.

My heart goes out to Boxer, I don't know how she can stand it.

I am impressed!

I used to live in Sacramento (when I first came to California) and one of the odd jobs I did to survive was delivering groceries, drugstore items etc. (This was when I was in the process of applying to UCB) Nearly all the legislative people subscribed to the delivery service--I don't think many "public servants" even at the state level do their own shopping.

Sometimes the "political wives" would be spotted at the beauty parlor--and the couples would often be seen out at the fancy shin-digs--but the local Ca politicians sure didn't go to the grocery store (and they were a lot less prominent and recognizable than Boxer).

That is VERY cool that she does her own grocery shopping. (especially with everything she is dealing with professionally right now)

Maybe it's a way for her to escape what's going on and just live a normal life. :)

the more I think of it--her face is so famous that I hope she is careful out there.

I am sure there are some freeper types who would not be pleasant to run into...

I LOVE that woman -- I don't care what she runs for, she's got my vote forever. (And I thank God she's my senator, too!)

I feel it myself.
Somehow I don't feel good about what is going to be happening in the coming days.

Someone in the astrology forum mentioned something will happen May 27th.

...would be to give her a hug and a Thank you for all she's done, so far.

What you saw in her eyes, was the fear she has of letting us Dems down, and by Us I mean something like 30,000,000 (30 Million) California Democrats and 550,000,000 Democrats Nationally. Can you imagine what that must feel like?

Thank You Barbara:patriot:

...and like you, I have to control myself everytime I see her to prevent myself from literally giving her a big bear hug and telling her that she is my hero. Instead, I try to keep my composure and make sure I'm her neighbor that talks to her regularly but at the same time, I do tell her that I am so grateful that she is fighting for all of us and to not give up.

Barbara Boxer rocks :headbang:

which could mean Iran is close to being invaded.

Last night I watched Howard Zinn on the Sundance channel and it ended with his uplifting and inspiring "we can change things" words.

And now with all of the other Iran, Syria, Filibuster, anti-stem cell etc. crap today I read this. I am officially having a huge down moment. It really is out of our control now isn't it?

:( :cry: :(

We all know what is going to have to be done soon. I suggest everyone starts thinking about that.

There is only ONE way out of this quagmire.
I think too many of us are too afraid to even contemplate it.

before I overcame mental illness. ;)

I too watched the Howard Zinn documentary, and I believe we need to march on Washington to stiffen the backbone of members of the Democratic Party.

During the '80s, we had an enemy , and I believed and felt that the gov't was protecting the United States and it's citizens.

Under Bush II, I feel as if the gov't is protecting corporate interests, and citizens are the enemy of the government.

The fact that I feel this way both worries and angers me, and it's high time we gather together and show our anger and dissatisfaction with our gov't with a huge march and rally in Washington DC.

I've had enough!

Howard Beale: All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value! So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'



Let's go to Washington.

:toast:

Welcome Pryderi to the DU! :hi:

So, have you been lurking on DU long and finally jumped in, or did you like many of us stumble upon this oasis of progressives and free-thinkers unexpectedly?

We love Newbies who care about our country and constitution! Welcome!
:toast:

PS: I agree we need to be marching on DC...I was in DC a year ago for the march for women's lives organized by Planned Parenthood and others...over 1.3 million (I believe that was the number?) were there...it was unbelievable...I guarantee you that every single one of those people (and then much much more) are ready to go marching....

The question is...who organizes this? When and how?

RW control of the media and the elections...

HOW DO WE CHANGE ANYTHING???????????

under the control of this administration! There I was, in Washington DC with my young 4+ month old baby and I traveled there with some other Mom's and their daughters from California where we marched side by side down Constitution avenue, past the White House, down to the mall and in front of the Capital. It was incredible! The city was wall to wall marchers and they had very precise counting (and "check in stations" for counts) to determine the actual number of marchers...Like I said in my post earlier, there were reportedly 1.3 Million marchers - the largest gathering EVER on DC....Yet, along the march and that day, did I see any Media trucks or cameras? Only CSPAN and some independent camera folks. That night, when I went back to our hotel room, I was expecting it to be all over the news, yet it was barely a blip on the evening news...and the cable TV stations were reporting it as a "Pro-Abortion March" and they were under-reporting the numbers making it sound like 10's of Thousands...later they changed it to 100's of thousands, but not one station ever said it as it was - that is was the single largest march on Washington EVER!

I mean, Gawd forbid a bunch of women and supporters of women's right to control their own bodies and medical decisions have outnumbered the "Million Man March"?

So, to your question of "how do we change anything?" I don't know...but I do know that I don't watch cable tv news anymore and I have let them know it too (I used to be a longtime loyal CNN viewer - not anymore). I also know that the international press is covering things and if we can atleast get them covering things (as long as they are still allowed in the country) then we can forward the stories and pictures to people here and show them what is going on.

I also think that as important as it is to "March on DC" to show the gov't that we mean business , we need to also be appearing all over the country in our local communities and make sure Main Street Americans are seeing what is really going on!

I found this site by listening to the Air America.

Bush is a threat to the security of the United States.

I'm glad to find like-minded people, as I live in Cincinnati, OH.

:puke:

I don't think I was ever really a Republican, however, not deep down. I was brainwashed. :(

:yourock:

is in danger, if our way of life is in danger, then it is time for them to say so. Publicly.

If they are the opposition, then speak the words. Don't lead us gently into that long good night.

Good God if they know it is that bad, please give us a hint!

n/t

they ought to all be saying it everywhere.

The best hope is in exposing these tactics, threats, or whatever they are.

american century, but especially those on the front lines, like Barbara Boxer.

Next time you see her tell we pray for her.

Poor Barbara...I imagine she's tired and busy, and then she has to go to the grocery store!

Eh, maybe it's a nice normal thing to do, in your own home state. Maybe she's recharging her batteries.

I wish her, and us, luck.

activity and probably for her a connection to the "real world" and reminder that she is a family person that is like all of us.

I hope she is recharging her batteries...she looked really tired and weary and she has got the battle of the lifetime coming up....

May the force be with her :hug:

...always.

I really believe that.

.... the days of business-as-usual are over.

It is time to bring the full force of the law to indictments and prosecution of Bush and all those who have committed the ultimate crimes against the Constitution and humanity.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=104&topic_id=3688434

I thanked her for her courage and leadership and urged her to realize that many know the truth - she is not alone.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

progressive, hardest working senator we have right now. I know that she has a lot of compassion for people. That's what keeps her fighting for us. She must be exhausted being in the thick of the attempted right wing takeover.

It doesn't surprise me that she does her own shopping. I live in the neighborhood where Paul Wellstone lived and I saw him and Sheila frequently in bookstores, strolling on the sidewalk on a nice evening, grocery stores, you name it. And he would always have time to talk and listen. And he always gave hugs.

I also think about those who lost their only true voice in government.

I think Barbara Boxer is a Wellstone kind of Democrat.

You are certainly right about Boxer being a Wellstone kind of dem.

Choking up just for you Kat.:cry: :hug:

I was blissfully unaware of what was going on. Now that I look back, I feel terrible.

I loved that man. The memorial edition of your newspaper is on my wall in my office. BB is carrying on the legacy of Paul and she is doing a great job......May God keep her and her family safe.

Awesome on all counts! It is frightening to see her reaction. However, if I saw anything less I'd start to wonder. I feel like that EVERYDAY! She Rocks!

I'm glad you got a chance to let her know once again how much those of us that belong to the opposition party wing of the Dems appreciate her efforts!

i.e. 99 percent better than anyone else in the Senate.

Remember what happened to the old Wellstone. Maybe that's why she's scared. :scared:

Thanks to the OP for posting this story. It's unsettling that she is so worried at this point at the state that this country is coming to. We're in deep shit..

Email to Ted Kennedy:

Senator Kennedy,

I can't remember if I wrote to tell you again how proud you make me to be a Democrat. Your list of illegal manuvers the Republicans have to take to ram the nuclear option down our throats is impressive.

Keep up the good work - oh and give Barbara Boxer a hug from the DemocraticUnderground, please?

And tell John Conyers to keep tearing it up and Harry Reid to keep standing strong. We don't always understand how hard it is to keep fighting the way you are, but sometimes that gets through.

Praying for all of you to be safe. Check your planes and your pilots. Remember Wellstone. I'm not saying.... but you know, a little caution never hurt.

And reach across the isle out into the media and tell Paul Craig Roberts that we appreciate his dedication to the truth in spite of his Republican beliefs.

I can't believe that a Senator would make herself so available for conversation in such an ordinary way as grocery shopping.

That is -very- cool.

Trying to imagine Cornyn or Hutchison shopping at my local Kroger's or Whole Foods..

.. sorry, just can't bring up the image. lol

Sue

And, BTW, where in hell is Kerry on this? He should be right out if front blasting these people.

I don't understand it, as a former presidential candidate MSN reports when he says something-- He needs to jump into the fight!

It was awesome.
He called them liars, etc.
Too bad you missed it.

Courageous People



On (constant!) edit:

http://www.dougwallace.com
(ask accountability for donations)

He and his ilk are a major part of our problem. If he had been as implacable and truthful in his campaign as Galloway was this week in the Senate, he would have won in a landslide that no vote rigging could undo. The fact is, he is beholden to the same special corporate interests that drive Bu$hco and therefor bit his tongue so as not to lose his spot at the trough. He can blather on all he wants now, the damage is already done.
These career politicians are all corrupt and beneath contempt.

... considering the actual "state" of affairs, or the "real morals" of "those" who did the 2000 "Coup" (which has been "consolidated" by both 2002 and 2004 "Coup$"...), well, we have more than one reason to believe that perhaps the rumor...

Don't know about what the rumor is? Read the last paragrah there:

http://www.dougwallace.com/MY%20VIEW%20OF%20JOHN%20KERRY%20POST%20FACTO%20THE%20ELECTION.htm

There are so many crimes being committed "behind the scenes" that we may never hear about, but we know a few (just a few) of them have already been, don't we?

Sorry for the "_"s... But if I was in a similar "situation," I think I'd kind of "watch" what I say, but I'm not. You?

Think about it. The "Masters" of the Coup D'Etat "ain't gonna" let their "treasures" slip away from them that easily...

On edit: the link.

but anything is possible with Commander Coocoobananas in charge!!!
Thank you for that link Amonester, it is a perfect assessment of the situation and I am going to print many, many copies to scatter about the community. I recommend we all do likewise. I think the sheeple are tossing and turning in their sleep.

They should re-play the Senate Speeches this weekend on CSPAN, or you can probably view it on line at: <http://www.c-span.org/ >

I'd give you an exact link, but it looks like it either not up yet, or deliberately missing.

he has been emailing and buying ads.MSM doesn't give him the attention he deserves!

... is on this site: http://www.dembloggers.com/main/2

Great speech, really amazing!

That fear of them. She's obviously very aware of what's going on. I just hope they start fighting hard and soon.

then I'M terrified. This sucks...

the pDBs?

:tinfoilhat:

:scared:
dp

who believes in the power of energy we can each take a few minutes several times a day to send loving, protective light out to surround Barbara and her family. I'm sure she and many in DC are aware they're facing one of the most evil crime families in history.

I think she is far braver than we'll ever know.

all take a few minutes each day and send that loving and protective light to Barbara Boxer and her family (as well as all the other Dem Senators and anyone with a heart and who truly cares about our fragile democracy....

I keep trying to keep "fear" out of my consciousness, but I'll admit its hard and looking into her eyes today was very worrisome. I believe many of us who are very in tune and aware know things are bad and getting worse fast....In the month since I last saw her, this look in her eye was new.

encompassing the people I am praying for. The term "praying" is just more generally understood than "sending beams of positive energy".

I really think a lot of us all over the world are quietly doing this, some of us maybe even on an unconscious level.

That's what I do and I've had people tell me it works for them. :) I'm going to start sending energy to all of our democratic Senators and Congressmen who are always out in the front. Don't forget to send some to Arnebeck who's still fighting for us with the last election.

:-(

I work surrounded by brainwashed talibornagain christians and there is a new wave of Kingdom whatever-the-shit posters all over people's office doors.

It makes me insane--angry, weepy, all kinds of energy that isn't particularly helpful. The worst is when I feel so engulfed by the darkness that I can't get up the energy to pray. (Nichiren taught "employ the strategy of the Lotus Sutra before all others"--in other words, base action on prayer, prayer that is determined to find a solution, not on your mind telling you things are impossible.)

Its an incredible struggle to keep focusing on positive constructive energy and actions. I have been feeling terribly overwhelmed myself--leftchick called it right: manic-depressive.

There are a couple of different ways of taking, "the worst she has ever seen politics in her life."

Remember, Congress is usually marked by a lot of across-the-aisle civility. These guys are normally like football players, who attack each other for all they're worth on the field but can be pals on the side. That's what I gather is breaking down. The Republicans are out for blood and no longer care about friendship or tradition or bipartisan cooperation.

This is a horrible thing, of course. When the rules of sport are replaced by the rules of war, democracy is doomed. But it still might be jumping to conclusions to assume that Boxer is going in fear of her life.

like scary and that she seemed in fear for the future of our democracy...big difference....it was other Duers in this thread that suggested it may be that she fears for her life.

I have interacted as a neighbor and Boxer fundraiser with her for years here in neighborhood. I'm a very aware and observant person of people's body language, eye contact and demeanor...I saw something today in her eyes and voice I hadn't seen or heard before. I don't for a minute think she is week or fearful for her life - in fact, I think she is one of the strongest people I have met (in a small package no less at 5 feet tall) and I think she would fight for our democracy to the death and wouldn't fear death.

I think that she is very afraid for the future of our democracy and what the neo-cons and this administration may do next....as are many of us.

Hope this links works -- it's long.



http://recap.fednet.net/archive/Buildasx.asp?sProxy=80_sflr051705_045.wmv,80_sflr051705_046.wmv,80_sflr051705_047.wmv,80_sflr051705_048.wmv,80_sflr051705_049.wmv,80_sflr051705_050.wmv,80_sflr051705_051.wmv,80_sflr051705_052.wmv,80_sflr051705_053.wmv,80_sflr051705_054.wmv,80_sflr051705_055.wmv,80_sflr051705_056.wmv&sTime=00:01:52.8&eTime=00:00:10&duration=00:53:02.0&UserName=senboxerca&sLocation=I&sExpire=1

If not you can get it off of Boxer's homepage:

http://boxer.senate.gov/index.cfm

that Boxer is so worried. She knows more than we do...:scared:

Have you ever told her how loved she is at DU? Please do! We should all donate to her next campaign. I know I'm going to!

I made a contribution to her PAC.

Senator Boxer is one of the few hopes I have for fighting for us. Her ego is in check, unlike Frist and his ilk. I keep hoping too that Collins, Snowe, Chaffee will say no the nuke option.

I admire her spunk. Wish we had a hundred of her in DC. The country would be better for it

..... and if one of the bravest senators standing today is appearing fearful ..... folks .... we are truly and royally fucked.

If she's saying 'that things are really bad...worse than anyone can imagine' then the time for civility and decorum and discourse has passed.

It is now time for our own 'nuclear option'.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697382
(Not a self-promoting kick - I am floating this as a very damned serious notion. We have NOTHING otherwise.)

You are a true warrior for peace! :hug:

circumstances! :hi:

I needed to let her know that she has us behind her and in my own ability to battle these SOB's, I need to know that I have done everything I can, which if my Senator is standing right there in front of my eyes, you better believe I'm going to tell her not to compromise with these assholes and to never ever give up the fight!

PS: Good thing my Senator isn't say "MCcain" or "Voinovich" or "Coleman" or....well you get the picture....I'd probably be arrested for using foul language in front of children!

Galloway wiped the floor with him. :)

If I EVER see a rethuglican politician in person I will scream "BABY KILLER!" - they murdererd of hundreds of thousands of children. There is no reason to give them any respect other than to give them a fair trial before incarceration. I will suffer those fools no longer. :mad:

I was driving home from Trader Joe's, listening to Air America and it dawned on me that the "authoritarian" far-right is digging their own grave. They are doing the work for us and will soon drive the rational center away.

They can no longer tell lie from truth at any level. Their training in telling the big lie over and over again has completed the short-circuiting of their brains and rendered them incapable of rational thought.

The neo-cons have caused the amerikan empire to seriously overreach its capabilities. I hope they try to go into Iran or Korea, that'll bring on their end even faster.

Barbara Boxer IS the Wellstone of today, is doing a great, necessary job but it's inevitable that the neo-con/american taliban coalition will lose...and soon.

I see a march on Washington by next November. I'm personally going to do whatever it takes to be there...

Keep your chins up, folks.

(George Galloway for Prez!).


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:think:

1) Why she voted for real ID

and

2) Why she voted for Negroponte again.

I am NOT attacking her, btw - I desperately want to hear her reasoning for these votes. She's my senator too (I'm in L.A.), and I need to know why she voted as she did.

Thanks in advance if you get the chance.

...but I guess I was just wanting to make sure I kept up the encouragement to her for the good fight and to ask her about the the big fight against the nuclear option. I figure if I only have a few minutes with her as my audience, I want to get in the most important thing on my mind.

But yes, your questions have weighed on my mind too...My guess is that she knows she has to pick her battles, and wisely. Negroponte was inevitable and the Real ID act was shoved into the IRAQ appropriations bill, so if she voted against either, it wouldn't make a difference, whereas she can fight the Bolton's of the world and not quit and actually make a difference.

Knowing Boxer, I can't in my wildest dreams imagine she thinks Negroponte is good or that the Real ID and national id cards is a good thing. My hunch is that she is saving those battles for another day....

She voted for, then against, then for Negroponte, if I'm not mistaken (I'll have to find her voting record, so don't take that as a factual assertion, it's from memory).

I don't think this would have been the time to ask her, because it would be beating her down even more. But I think a lot of us would like an answer someday.

I hope we can get to a place where time can be taken to explain a LOT of the votes the Dems have made in the last, oh, couple of decades, but especially last four years.

even though I am from another state. Sounds to me like she could really use a DU support fix.

if I could meet Senator Boxer.

:bounce:

I'd have no one who represents me.

Plus, she has to fight for about half of the Democrats that are afraid of their own shadows. So it has to be particularly hard for her.

Time for another email of support.

She's the best Senator anywhere, and everyone I know feels the same way. At the CA Democratic Convention in LA, she brought down the house--getting more applause than anyone, even Dean.

The Republicans would be quaking in their jackboots if Barbara Boxer ran for president. Which is exactly why we need her to do just that.

he risk going forward.

The thing is it's all illegal anyway...


Congressional Record, May 18, 2005, Page S5410
Ted Kennedy


Here are some of the rules and precedents the executive will have to ask its allies in the Senate to break or ignore in order to turn the Senate into a rubberstamp for the nominations:

First, they will have to see that the Vice President himself is presiding over the Senate so that no real Senator needs to endure the embarrassment of publicly violating Senate rules and precedent and overriding the Senate Parliamentarian the way our Presiding Officer will have to do.

Next, they will have to break paragraph 1 of rule V, which requires 1 day's specific written notice if a Senator intends to try to suspend or change any rule.

Then they will have to break paragraph 2 of rule V, which provides that the Senate rules remain in force from Congress to Congress, unless they are changed in accordance with the existing rules.

Then they will have to break paragraph 2 of rule XXII, which requires a motion, signed by 16 Senators, a 2-day wait, and a three-fifths vote to close debate on the nomination itself.

They will also have to break rule XXII's requirement of a petition, a wait, and a two-thirds vote to stop debate on a rules change.

Then, since they pretend to be proceeding on a constitutional basis, they will have to break the invariable rule of practice that constitutional issues must not be decided by the Presiding Officer, but must be referred by the Presiding Officer to the entire Senate for full debate and decision.

Throughout the process, they will have to ignore or intentionally give incorrect answers to proper parliamentary inquiries which, if answered in good faith and in accordance with the expert advice of the Parliamentarian, would make clear that they are breaking the rules.

Eventually, when their repeated rule-breaking is called into question, they will blatantly, and in dire violation of the norms and mutuality of the Senate, try to ignore the minority leader and other Senators who are seeking recognition to make lawful motions or pose legitimate inquiries or make proper objections.

By this time, all pretense of comity, all sense of mutual respect and fairness, all of the normal courtesies that allow the Senate to proceed expeditiously on any business at all will have been destroyed by the preemptive Republican nuclear strike on the floor.

To accomplish their goal by using a bare majority vote to escape the rule requiring 60 votes to cut off debate, those participating in this charade will, even before the vote, already have terminated the normal functioning of the Senate. They will have broken the Senate compact of comity and will have launched a preemptive nuclear war. The battle begins when the perpetrators openly, intentionally, and repeatedly break clear rules and precedents of the Senate, refuse to follow the advice of the Parliamentarian, and commit the unpardonable sin of refusing to recognize the minority leader.

i'm in SoCal and admire her greatly.

glad to hear that barbara is down in the trenches for us! we need her so much!! does she know about du?

I wish best for her and her safty! Lets all pray that, we are going to make it through this bad times.

even when we're not sending roses. I bet she enjoyed the Galloway testimony! The neocons hated it so much they scrubbed it from the online record!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3698459
Thread title: “Galloway Testimony scrubbed!!!!!”

knows things we can only imagine. IMO, most of us have a deep seeded fear that something is going to happen. Or, that we can't get out of this position our country is in. Most Repubs in the Senate never look afraid, have you noticed. It's like they know whatever happens will never touch or interfere with them or their families.

Stay safe Barbara!

These folks have outlined that on the table in fact, in deleriously deliberating detail.

But I doubt they are that smart, most of them are so ignorant that they might collapse on themselves just like the people being indicted in Ohio. But the rest of them, scheming sure-fire fascist dominionists of a theocracy variety.....

They are the ones who are truly terrifying and you must know, everything in the world's power will have to be utilized it seems to bring them down.

They will not go so easily, and their strategy is uniform and relentless. Distract, distract, destroy, and distract......UNTIL it is too late to avoid the destruction you ignored.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/19/12139/1251
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

"she said that things are scary, scarier than she ever thought possible and the worst she has ever seen politics in her life. The fight for our life she said...."

Like many of you have stated, this is not looking good. What good are facts if the Republican ruling elite refuse to hear anything that differs from what they believe? They lie. They cheat. It's their way or no way. There's no compromising; there's no reasoning with them. What are we left with? We want our country back. At what point are we left with only the option to destroy them and all they stand for? That sounds harsh, but what other choices do we really have?

Publically humiliate them in front of the whole world, and let them destroy themselves. They are weakening. All they can do is scoff it off with their money controlled media, but they can't prevent the truth from being widely accepted and displayed through-out the world....

I hope you are correct and that this happens soon before they do more harm than we can overcome.

Anybody just happen to have a photo of Bush in his underwear? Now that would be humiliating....

thank you for the story. It can't be easy to be one of very few voices standing up against Bush & Co. She needs to know that we support her...even those of us who can't vote for her. Actually, especially us. She is representing the entire country and probably doesn't get to hear from the non-Californians enough.

post some of the assumption., like she looked really afraid, especially if i wasnt really afraid, ......i would be pissed.

i say this cause i read this yesterday and really appreciated the post and sharing the experience and information. i still do. but listen to some of the replies i think it has gone to a point, i would want to be coming on here saying, now wait a minute guys. and i say this for her reputation. how she would like to present herself to senate, her fellow workers. i dont htink i would want to have the disadvantage in tackling friswt of him saying well that friday in the grocery store, she was really afraid, i will intimidate her, say boo

you know

just a thought

Edit: Title.

...but something tells me that she wouldn't even let anyone succeed... ;)

DU is a message board. Everybody's free to post what they think, well as long as what they think is not illegal. And if it is, well there's an Alert somewhere.

My $0.01

doesnt hurt anyone to listen to a different perspective though, does it. i dont think i said stop posting.

And I say all is good.

And I also think that maybe, if she happened to read the posts you seemed to point out, perhaps they sort of "could give her" some kind of a "boost" in courage (if this could be possible, because IMHO, courage, she already has).

I say we cannot just presume how she would react, that's all.

We're hoping for the best.

Thank you.

:thumbsup:

specifically to make lite of their threat. because though i am sure she is concerned. she does NOT seem like a fearful person at all. so i dont like a misrepresentation of fear that isnt even there. fear feeds fear.

It's hard to know if there's no "/sarcasm" sign or icon. ;)

Sometimes fear feeds fear, and sometimes also fear feeds courage.

I'd even bet she is more courageous than moi, but I'm not a gambler at all!

We're all rooting for Barbara here in Texas!!