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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:48 PM
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riddle me this. . .what kind of "culture of life"
is hell bent on torturing, humiliating, and killing mostly innocent people. . .

in a war based entirely on bogus intelligence ?

I'm just so terribly ashamed to be an american lately.

just saying. . .
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:53 PM
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1. If you're asking why the RW is doing this, here's what I've heard.
Our sulture is sending our children to hell with obscene video games, horrible TV shows, and violent and obscene music. We WANT activist RW judges to make this STOP!

As to the war reference, Sadaam was a vicious evil man, and the world will be wonderful if we can just convert everyone to OUR Christianity!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:14 PM
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4. well I'm not sure it's quite so simple
but I'm just disgusted by the utter inhumanity we are hearing of from all sorts of sources in all sorts of innumerable incidents.

It's hardly one flushed Koran. It's man's repeated inhumanity to man committed with complete impunity.

Hearing of these things makes my skin crawl. I'm searching for recourse but it's muddled. Am thinking about writing an open letter of apology to the Muslim people. That may sound foolish. Have been thinking about it for several days, ever since this isolated Koran thing has been hyped.

Dunno if it'll make a difference but just might be worth a shot and be better than doing nothing. Dunno. Am just so disgusted


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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:53 PM
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2. Read Fred Saberhagen's "Berserker" series.
"Goodlife" is any life which aids the Berserkers in the destruction of all life, down to the microscopic level. Typically a human traitor, or a human raised inside the machine, brought up to follow the creed of destruction.

But Berserkers are just fictional machines that have no emotional capacity. We humans, after all, have hearts.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 09:54 PM
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3. The kind that calls a law that increases air pollution the
"Clear Skies Initiative." And calls a bill that guts real education is favor of "studying the test" the "No Child Left Behind Act."

And calls a law that abrogates every principle upon which this country became great, the "USA PATRIOT Act."

Same people. Lies are truth, and all that.

Redstone
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:18 PM
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5. yeah and
"Healthy Forests" and "Help America Vote Act" as well.

I think RFK jr described it best as "disingenuous nomenclature."

Not that the sheeple would necessarily ever comprehend what the heck that means.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:27 PM
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6. RFK JR can call it "disingenuous nomenclature" if he
wants to; I prefer "cynical lying bastard sons of a sack of shit" myself.

But to each his own.

Redstone
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:34 PM
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7. I agree with you, but that statement by RFK jr doesn't make sense.
Disingenuous nomenclature??? Disengenuous means untrue, and nomenclature means name or title. The two together just don't make sense!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:40 PM
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11. that's precisely why it's so perfect
Edited on Fri May-20-05 10:44 PM by stellanoir
they've been consistantly labelling things in a totally dishonest way.

And it is Orwellian
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:41 PM
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12. No, it makes perfect sense.
It means giving something a name that's untrue (calling it something that's the opposite of what it actually is), which is exactly what we're talking about.

Speaking of RFK, Jr: Here's a perfect example of why I don't understand how the word "liberal" became a negative epithet in this country:

Here's a guy who could have spent his life living large, fat and happy, but instead dedicates himself to working to get cheap heating oil to people who don't have much money.

How the fuck can ANYONE not admire that?

Redstone
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:51 PM
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13. ahh no that's Joe who's involved in
Edited on Fri May-20-05 10:53 PM by stellanoir
helping poor folks with heating oil.

Not to split hairs or anything. . .

RFK JR has committed himself entirely as an environmental lawyer. He was sadly involved in a babysitter scandal a while back which thankfully blew over but has kids who all have asthma. He also seems to have a horrific vocal impairment.

But still speaks the truth as far as I can tell.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:53 PM
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14. Oops. Thanks for the correction. Joe's the one
who lost a leg, right?

Redstone
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:04 PM
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15. Nope that's Patrick's younger brother
Patrick is the son of Teddy. Joe is the eldest son of RFK and has all his limbs. I met him on a beach once. I ignored him.

I know it's complicated.

:hi:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:12 PM
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17. Arrrg! Too many Kennedys! I can't keep up with them!
Redstone
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:22 PM
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19. yeah I know it all too well
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:36 PM
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8. Karl Rove told Dim Son to talk about the "culture of life"

whenever he spoke to Catholic voters because Pope John Paul II used the phrase a lot and, as far as I know, originated it. Of course, John Paul II meant opposition to war and the death penalty as well as opposition to abortion and euthanasia, and went beyond that in discussing the culture of life, talking about eliminating poverty, ensuring living wages and medical care, etc.

Bush doesn't even know what the "culture of life" is, much less believe in the ideal.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:36 PM
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9. Orwell's 1984 just 20 years later, that's all n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:39 PM
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10. Don't forget
no health care either for forty-five million people.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:06 PM
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16. It's called cafeteria fundamentalism
Choose your beliefs, then open your Bibles.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 11:20 PM
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18. somebody posted earlier today
about a bumper sticker they had seen.

It read something like, "God loves spiritual fruits, and hates religious nuts."

Too true.
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