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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:58 AM
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How could Osama of been so stupid?
For YEARS he has tried to foment a rebellion against the west within the muslim community.

He has been attributed as the ring leader to the 911 attacks.

IF Osama had REALLY wanted to create a crisis - he would of started a rumor that the US was defacing the Koran and showing Saddam Hussien in his undies.....THAT WOULD SURELY CAUSE RIOTS and increasing anti-americanism. It would rally muslims worldwide in a condemnation of the immorality of the US.

I guess middle easterners are so used to violence - so immune to its shock therapy that a little illegal war with a horrific occupation record - would have absolutely no affect on those living in the region.....but have a little story claiming defacement of the Quran and show Saddam in his lily white drawers and all hell breaks loose......this is according to the White House.

Silly Osama never considered dancing around in his drawers - claiming US harrassment, torture and demoralization of the muslim faith. It never occured to him to make up a story portraying himself or the muslim faith as being the victims of an immoral empire. He has his own stories to tell - whether or not they have a shred of truth to them remains to be seen.

What is crystal clear however is that a war is raging that was started under false pretenses and this - according to the White House would have no effect on the muslim population. Apparently, Muslims don't care that a hundred thousand souls have perished and Iraq as a nation stands in ruins. According to the White House, Muslims and protesters are really only outraged that a book of God would be tossed into a toilet...enough so that they would riot. If you actually believe what the White House is trying to tell you then consider this....

Osama is having a meeting (this is imaginary) with one of his jihadists.
Osama, " Just wear the belt and when you get to a region with allot of people...... praised be to Allah for your sacrifice!"
Jihadist, " Osama - there is a BETTER way. And my body parts will not have to be collected from miles around. Listen...."
Osama, "You MUST martyr yourself for the good of our cause..."
Jihadist," It would be far worse for me to have my picture taken in my underwear than to be blown up. Do this Osama - take the picture of me and we will send it to the media claiming US torture....and the muslims worldwide will take up arms in our cause."
Osama, " hmmmmm....yes it would be FAR FAR worse to have that done than to be blown up - oh the horror, the immorality of it all."

This must be what the White House visualizes when they stand up and make claims such as the Newsweek story CAUSED riots - and pictures of Saddam Hussein in his underwear could CAUSE more riots. According to the White House....The Abu Ghraib scandal - no riots. The illegal war - nope, no rioting there. The abysmal reconstruction records - no sir, they would not riot over not having clean water and adequate electricity.




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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:02 AM
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1. of = have
"How could Osama have been so stupid"
"he would have started a rumor"
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:05 AM
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2. All of these humiliations are a result of the U.S. occupation and the war
on terror that were set in motion with Osama's attack. So your reasoning is a little blurred.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:26 AM
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3. it's pretty well accepted that OBL had nothing
to do with 911...that was domestic terror op by bushinc and rogue elements of nat.sec. apparatus, under the cover of the corporate pigmedia, in usurping control of the US economy...you may not believe this, but it will become too obvious someday (and the busheviks hardly even deny it anymore now!)
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:45 PM
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7. i wouldn't say it's well accepted by anyone but the five percent of the
population who make up the lunatic fringe of this country.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:50 AM
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4. It was sarcasm
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:00 AM
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5. Ya' know, there is a parallel...
Osama probably was trying stuff like that before 911 and wasn't getting much traction. The aftermath of 911 elevated his profile immensely.

On the other hand, I wonder if or when we (anti-imperialists) will get a leader who enough people will follow, a la MLK or RFK. I think Dean tried, Kerry tried of course. (Dean actually may have become that leader if he hadn't won the DNC chair.) Perhaps somebody with the ANSWER coalition tried, but we have yet to find that charismatic leader who can speak the message and lead the activists. And timing is important too. Great leaders may come and go, but if the "followers" aren't ready yet, they miss their moment in the sun.

At this point, hopefully we have reached a critical mass of rejection of the imperialist agenda and we won't need that leader. But it would be nice to have one anyway.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:39 PM
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6. The Islamist had tried for two decades to bomb their own populations
to get support. Somehow..it did not make them popular. Google Algeria to find out more.

So they came up with a new plan. Bait the USA and get more supporters. In the end it will not work.

Freak!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 05:07 PM
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8. you guys who accept the pigmedia's reasoning better be right
cuz if you aint, we end up with islamofascists running amok PLUS criminals in control of the USA!....had bushinc sincerely wanted to fight islamofascism they'd have supported the iraqis (even to getting rid of hussein via silent coup done by iraqis themselves) because iraq (also iran) was one of the most progressive of the arab/mideast nations(fact)...our problem is that our newsmedia is lying constantly to help bushinc: islamofascism, like drugs or crime, can be dealt with using the internat community, the UN etc...to put the 'fight' against muslim terrorism/extremism in front of developing regular and normal legal sovereignity worldwide gives potential political criminals free rein w/out accountability right here, something the US was specifically designed to avoid....so if you guys who say obl is the big problem and this means bushinc must be given free rein, then you goddam better be right (that bushinc aint a criminal conspiracy) because then islamic terror will become something it wouldn't otherwise (anyone thinks that the majority of any population holds extreme religious/political views is a damn fool)...i say shoot all the repukes and let god sort them out (and i'm right i guarantee it) ...we can then round up the islamic extremists cuz there's nowhere to hide under international law...btw back in the 90's, islamic crazies were routinely killing hundreds of innocent women/children in algeria/morocco etc....meanwhile the US was funding islamofascist war against the USSR in afghanistan...i recall reading dozens of little filler blurbs in newspapers saying 'extremist slaughter busfull of students' etc and thinking if the newsmedia just showed these atrocities, the entire planet would hunt those bastards down, but newsmedia played down the situ, year after year...it's almost poetic justice that the same phonomenon now besets the west, if true, but it isn't...the british and US have nurtured islamofascism for a long time (and obl etc know it, but are such traitors to their own they still abet their so called enemy)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 05:51 PM
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9. I've done some reading on my own. In fact I always do. I even read
Edited on Sat May-21-05 05:53 PM by applegrove
Kool-Aid to find out just how idiotic they are. And Islamism is a problem. Bin Laden is not the be all and end all, and Islamists are not the majority..but unfortunately they get funding for the rich elites in the Middle East who are at times Bush's pals. And that is the problem. Hard to dial down an extremist movement when whatever jihad the rare extremist dream up..gets full funding (just like in the cold war). And that is the problem. That the fundies have desires to bully the semi-democratic government of many places in the Middle East. I am not so worried that places like Indonesia will tear apart their bustling economy to turn jihadist. But even there a little elite Saudi money to keep the people tribal (and malleable in those hierarchies) can mess up a whole bunch of lives. Less in Indonesia..but it is growing there as it is in the Sudan and elsewhere.

So I believe the even the pure neocons (as opposed to a Rove or a big Oil person (Cheney)) see national democratic dominance the world over as the only way to go to starve the Arab rich of money so they:

1) don't fund radical Islamist groups in their attempt to keep their oligarchy

2) don't skew the finances of the United States with their excess cash as they have done in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s.

As to why the Bush WH is imposing that same elite-ship on the American & Canadian (they try) leadership while insisting not on local ties..but democratic ties everywhere else in the world.. is another topic of discussion. But it may have to do with:

1) funding tribal groups in the USA in an attempt to create an oligarchy

2) skew the finances of American corporations vs. small democracies the world over so that the American corporations & elites are dominating of the economies of others...so that America has a chance in hell of competing against CHINA, INDIA, RUSSIA, BRAZIL in the next 60 years.

IMHO





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