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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:36 PM
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why a woman wouldn't want sex

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/19/opinion/main696613.shtml

Virginity or Death?

Imagine a vaccine that would protect women from a serious gynecological cancer. Wouldn't that be great? Well, both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline recently announced that they have conducted successful trials of vaccines that protect against the human papilloma virus. HPV is not only an incredibly widespread sexually transmitted infection but is responsible for at least 70 percent of cases of cervical cancer, which is diagnosed in 10,000 American women a year and kills 4,000.

Wonderful, you are probably thinking, all we need to do is vaccinate girls (and boys too for good measure) before they become sexually active, around puberty, and HPV -- and, in thirty or forty years, seven in ten cases of cervical cancer -- goes poof.

Not so fast: We're living in God's country now. The Christian right doesn't like the sound of this vaccine at all. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex." Raise your hand if you think that what is keeping girls virgins now is the threat of getting cervical cancer when they are 60 from a disease they've probably never heard of.

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Christian conservatives have a special reason to be less than thrilled about the HPV vaccine. Although not as famous as chlamydia or herpes, HPV has the distinction of not being preventable by condoms. It's Exhibit A in those gory high school slide shows that try to scare kids away from sex, and it is also useful for undermining the case for rubbers generally -- why bother when you could get HPV anyway? In 2000, Congressman (now Senator) Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who used to give gruesome lectures on HPV for young Congressional aides, even used HPV to propose warning labels on condoms.
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the religiously insane are dangerous

fighting back is a life saving option

looks like the only safe sex is sex with yourself. our scientist could fix this so that sex with someone other then yourself is safe, but our scientists are in the grip of the criminal bushgang. remember, the bushgang murders scientists who won't toe the line.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:40 PM
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1. Scary, indeed.
But you can't even have safe sex with yourself. That's sinful, too.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:40 PM
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2. Not so fast...
Looks like the only safe sex is sex with yourself.

Nope, that makes you go blind and grow fur on your palms. And is also unacceptable. The only sex is for the purpose of procreation, and takes place within a marriage, no matter how unhappy it is, no matter how much your husband beats you, makes you participate in orgies, or fucks you up the ass.

Married couples who remain happily childfree are also breaking God's law. The only body who can regulate sexual intercourse in this country is the church, and God forgive you if you do not follow their strict dictates.

/sarcasm
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:48 PM
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7. Unless you're the preacher or other high roller within the church, then
sex with the secretary, organist or piano player has a special exemption clause from God.

Two hard working church folks are allowed occasional trysts provided 1) they confess & repent after each time, even if only to one another 2) provide proper praise by shouting "Oh God", "On my God" or "G-G-G-G-G-Gaaaaawwwwwddddd, Yes!" a minimum number of times during said act. Accidental discovery and public confession has been known to increase both viewership and donations in the three months immeadiately following such disclosure.

How to Shear the Sheep, 1997, Dr Rev I. M. Rightgeous and Rev Dr "Digdeep" N Givelots, chapter 7, pg 43
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:27 PM
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11. Preach on brother.
I can't believe I forgot the tryst exemption. An accidental oversight, I can assure you.

FSC
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Michael_Bush Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:41 PM
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3. Let's beat Onanism together
They nuts on the right will not be happy till masterbation is illegal.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:41 PM
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4. Thou shalt not fuck
I can't have any fun, why should you?

I work for god, and even though he's all-powerful, he needs a little nothing like me to rein you in before you go having fun. Fun is bad. Sex is terrorism that god sends us on to propagate the species.

Don't argue with me; you need to be destroyed.

(Fundy "logic" is fun, isn't it?)

So much hatred of sexuality is from the frustrated, just as so much homophobia is from the "virtuous" who restrain themselves from what they really want to be doing.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:46 PM
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5. Condoms are not an iron shield against disease or pregnancy
But they are better than nothing.

There are lots of reasons kids should not be having sex. They aren't prepared to deal with the consequences if something happens. They don't have enough of a sense of themselves. They're just not ready emotionally.

It bugs me when kids are led to believe that condoms will protect them from all harm.

Sex education should be as frank as possible. You should wait. These are the risks. If you're not going to wait, then this is how you alleviate some of the risks.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:48 PM
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6. yeah, they're a latex shield.
It is what it is.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:48 PM
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8. Who is the Family Research Council? nt
nt
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:34 PM
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13. I think The Family Research council is the one
who is listed with Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. They named a list of 10 religious organizations with 3 of them as hate groups and the others close to it. Go to www.intelligenceproject.org. Sorry, don't know how to put the link on the other way--poor computer skills.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:41 PM
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14. i looked at my bookmark re Family Research Council--
It is one of Dobsons.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:49 PM
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9. "why a woman wouldn't want sex"
:puke:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:54 PM
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10. Can you say.......
Taliban!!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 03:23 PM
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12. If they are against abortion, really, then they should be for all manner
of other reproductive health and birth control. Afterall, what happens when a woman develops cervical cancer from HPV and is pregnant?

Women will gravitate to 'how much sex they want' quite naturally - if they know themselves and are not repressed. Just like men always have.



Hypocrisy!

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:00 PM
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15. These "family" folks are dolts. First and foremost,
HPV is not the only disease out there.

There are plenty more to keep these "family" people happy for years on end.

Never mind the pregnancy risk.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 04:22 PM
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16. I can only suppose they WANT more cases of cervical cancer
And oddly enough, the risk of ovarian cancer is decreased by pregnancy.

Where did I find this out? The scads of info about ovarian cancer I read because I have a relative who has it.

The rabid religious right and women's health are two diametrically opposed ideas and unfortunately women's health isn't winning.
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