When should the Rebellion begin?

There has been talk of actions against the RW. I don't advocate offensive violence against the RW, but I think the Rebellion should begin by teaching large amounts of people how to defend themselves from the RW.

When should it begin, with the Confirmation of John Bolton, the Confirmation of Bush's Extremist Judicial Nominations, or would it take some other event for it to begin?

...in order to blame it on Iran. Of course by then it may be too late as the fascist pigfuckers might impose martial law. Then it will truly become a civil war, unfortunately, as you'll have to kill (brainwashed) fellow Americans just to survive :(

I mean, honestly, are you willing to forego ALL of the possible interim steps and jumpt DIRECTLY to armed rebellion ? ...

Have you thought about the possible damage it may do to the poor ? ... to the weak and infirm ? ... the children ? ...

Imagine the streets of Baghdad ... now imagine them here .....

Is THAT what you crave ? ... is THAT what sets your mind a'reelin ?

Tell ya what: cool your heels, and shut down your computer, then go door to door and see if any of your neighbors would rather agree to your terms instead of having YOU taking potshots at them through their windows ..... and vice versa ....

I swear: this is 'End of Civility' day here at DU ....

George Bush CAN be toppled without 'rebellion', but you have to work harder to do it .....

Im sure that children would appreciate your less riotous, less warlike approach ....

It is NOT easy writing about this stuff, but I am afraid that the RW'ers will eventually seize power. I've never said anything about waging war, I am talking about this:

What should we do if THEY make the first strike?

Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass good bye.

1) Armed fighting SHOULD scare you ... it rarely achieves anything of lasting value, like peace ...

2) You should carefully measure your words and responses on this subject matter ... Using metaphor and analogy in this debate sometimes is mistaken for literal calls to war .... When you use the word 'rebellion', it usually connotes violence, hence the need for precision when discussing these matters .... Say what you REALLY mean, and be careful to NOT say what you do not intend to say .....

3) The Right Wing have ALREADY seized power, but that doesnt mean they are irreversably in power: as another poster states later in this thread: We have YET to demonstrate the level of PEACEFUL public protest that we know could be brought to bear on this corrupted government ... They havent seen NUTHIN yet .... It is up to US to organize PEACEFUL, non-violent protests against Bush and the GOP, in the tradition of Ghandi and MLK, NOT Lenin and Mao ....

4) IF they (The RW) do the 'first strike', which I would assume means RWers taking to the streets hectoring, maiming and killing liberals ... Well ? ... We would presume the local, county, state and federal goverments would either arrest and incarcerate such individuals, or, if those police organizations did NOT perform their duty to maintain civic order, then, in any case, you ALWAYS have a right to protect yourself and your property .... Get whatever you need to prepare you for that day should it arrive ...

But recognize this: IF it ever reaches that point, then our system of government is already effectively overthrown ... and it would be a fucking zoo anyways .... literally: men would act like the animals they are deep inside .... one would need either a moat, a castle, or to run like hell to survive such a loss of civic order .... The breakdown of civic life would be FAR worse than either a Bush Government (from our perspective) OR a liberal utopian government (from their perspective) .... It does NO ONE ANY GOOD .....

his crime family. No matter the cost. Organized crime has run this country too country.

It is because by wearing "Che" T shirts and talking about revolution you make the stupid little co-ed next to you all hot and bothered.

Being 19 she isn't old enough to have seen, let alone read about the carnage and destruction that civil war and revolution bring. She isn't old enough to know that real revolutionaries don't sit in class and talk about it.

The ones you have to watch are the quite ones who wear business outfits and get educations and quietly plot. That is what many of the 9/11 "revolutionaries" did.

Just like the punk anarchists who attend otherwise peaceful rallies to cause trouble, knowing full well if a cop even lifts a hand, they will scream for daddies lawyer to sue them and they will have a streetful of witnesses.

The brave ones, the really strong and dedicated ones sat there while cowardly cops dabbed their eyes with pepper spray.

Violence is at times an appropriate answer but almost always it is an answer of last resort, one that should not be taken lightly, and preferably by those who know the real repurcusions of it, not by chicken hawks from either side.

Good luck!

military bases are moved South and we up in the red states are defenseless.

I'm very much opposed to that. VERY much opposed. Strongly opposed.

But I am NOT opposed to taking a strong stand. An historically strong stand ..... as posed in this thread I started earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697382

Neither am I opposed to defending myself and mine if it ever comes to that. But I pray it never will. I doubt it ever will. I can't imagine it ever will. But if it did, I would do what needed to be done.

But please ..... no armed insurgency. No one will be the winner.

One things for sure, we have to get the ignorant 'sheeples' attention, the ones who normally do not pay attention to politics much. We have to get their attention NOW, and let them know 'all is not well in DC'. It is not business as usual. This might be accomplished by something to your affect as having the Democrats in DC leave for their home states if the Nuclear Option goes through. The decision for independence from Britan back in 1776 was born, in short, not of desire but of desperation. I see a parallel of desperation from our side of the Isle, and from us the informed. Congress back then had always wisely avoided taking so major a step (Independence from British Tyranny) until "the voice of the people drove them to it". Such a stunt as the one you advise might get people paying attention, send our Reps back to DC with our own form of resolutions at some point. We must not think of the any other options at this time, Peace. :)

We are nowhere near the 1960s as far as agitation and mobilization of the masses goes. If we can reach that level and they refuse to listen, then pressure must be sustained. If they break, then revolution is not needed. If they do not and respond to protesters and marchers with guns and bombs, then we can go satisfied that we did EVERYTHING we could to prevent war on our own soil. We go knowing that they fired first, not us.

As far as I can tell, we haven't "shut down 200 universities" across the US and made several dozen cities across the US grind to a halt with protesters, so talk of "what to do next" is premature.

Words I live by.

An armed rebellion could destroy this country all together. There are still peaceful remedies at our disposal and I believe we will only succeed by using them.

The time is neigh for a nationwide strike.

I agree ..... what's your take on this suggestion I made?

Peaceful .... but in my mind biblically strong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3697382

Psst... pass it on. ;)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x15947

.... no lack of smart, creative, caring people ...... with the will to fight for what's right.

There was overt rebellion back then. Guns were actually fired back then. People actually died back then.

But having lived through it back then .... I do not recall the true hate that is as widespread as it is today. Back then the anger came out. Today it is seething and simmering. It is bottled up. I fear an explosion today that I didn't fear then. There was, indeed, some common ground back then. I see nothing but intractability today.

Back then, while we fought openly, we were also able to sit down and talk to each other, one on one. Today, even without knowing any facts, people's minds are truly fixed and set. Closed.

The RW has managed to ...... well ..... manage. They manage public opinion to reflect what they want it to be. There's no dialog. There's only shouting to pass as discourse.

Everyone speaks.

But no one listens.

for starters. Really, our only influence lies in our number, which only exists in cyberspace right now. We wouldn't know each other to nod on the street.

Then go for it. ;)