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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:27 PM Original message |
Folks, this was a great deal for us. We won. |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. agreed n/t |
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deadparrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. EXCUSE ME?!? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Two more bad judges in the whole federal court system. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I bet you I can figure this out with two words |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 07:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
97. Don't Panic... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 09:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Does this mean David Barton might be of some use to us? |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 09:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
104. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has jurisdiction over cases from |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Actually, they got 3. But who's counting :-) |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I did, if you read the whole OP. nt |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I'm pretty sure that they'll end up with 3 in. However, I'd be very happy |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. It could very well happen. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Gawd told Dobson and Frist to go fuck themselves |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes. we. did. Oy - some people |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Disagree |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. No, because they can't use the nuke option now. nt |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
99. No, but the first time they don't get their way. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. Dobson's pissed, Frist is de-nutted, the Filibuster remains. When you win |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Celebrate? Celebrate what?! |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
70. sorry, but we lost the 04 election. you're looking at a big win for |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
82. Oy. Try thinking Big Picture. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Not this crowd. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Win the battle, lose the war |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No, we haven't been double-crossed. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. Not entirely true |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. No, that's not what the memo says. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. It seems that the opinion as to whether this is a win or not depends on |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
84. And actually all we allowed was a VOTE on Owen. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. They would've been in anyways! |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
83. "playing possum"! |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Assuming he ever had a pair. |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. We won nothing |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No, you didn't read the memo. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
100. The memo means nothing |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Stop looking the gift horse in the mouth |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Not sure I'd call it a gift, either, but we beat them. nt |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. This was all |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
19. I agree BGL |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. Agree... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'm not so sure we "won" anything.... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. We won the battle. Clearly. |
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PartyPooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
26. For what it's worth, I actually saw Lindsay Graham say he's got a lot of |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. The American People are the real winners today... |
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SW FL Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. One of the best posts I've seen today on the subject! |
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drdon326 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
80. Oh pul-eeze |
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NWHarkness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
29. You are absolutely right |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
30. Our big victory: worse than status quo ante bellum |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. We've retained the filibuster, and they've signed away the nuclear |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Point is there was no nuclear option ante bellum |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. If there wasn't we should have said that, and we shouldn't have |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
85. And just the FACT that the radical right see this as a LOSS for them is a |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:35 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I'm seriously glad to see that you feel that way, |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Hey, ANYTHING the rethugs see as a WIN for us and LOSS for them, is in |
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La Coliniere (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm trying to see the glass as half full... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. No, the bar hasn't been set. That's defeatist garbage. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Same here |
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indigonation (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. Agree - better than ramming one through SCOTUS via the nuclear option |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
41. Yea, we did well, especially when you look at the broader picture. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:17 PM Original message |
bullgoose, |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
86. They got the right to VOTE on 5 judges. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
43. bullgoose, |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Look: |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. what something SAYS and what the REALITY is |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That is the AGREEMENT. If they go back on the agreement, |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. the agreement is vague enough to give them cover |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It's at the discretion of each signatory. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. why would they agree to that? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. They did. nt |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. no, they didn't |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. It's not up to them. It's at OUR discretion. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. they would NOT agree to that |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. They did! I don't give a shit about his spin! |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:32 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. well my friend |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:33 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. That's not what Kos said: |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. hmm |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 07:02 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Maybe Kos is thinking of someone else, too. |
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PowerToThePeople (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
46. We won shit |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 07:46 AM Response to Reply #46 |
96. That seems correct to me. |
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paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
49. I'm still absorbing and processing this, but when I read |
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aion (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. Silly wabbit, the Constitution is the only thing which won |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. We won the battle. |
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aion (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:38 AM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Bullshit word games? You are playing bullshit logic with yourself |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
52. It's great to be bullied into |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
53. HERE'S THE WHOLE MEMO- READ CAREFULLY. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Is breaking the rules mentioned? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. Thanks for posting that. Reading it, it's actually much better |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. Also, does this apply to the whole Senate |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
101. Does it matter? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
55. We won nothing! |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. The 'moderates' have neutered the Dem party... |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:07 AM Response to Reply #65 |
98. Win? |
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markus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
57. This will only be true if two things hol dout |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. They have to hold to it or they're cheats. |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Everyone knows they're CHEATS...including the cheats... |
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markus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
60. Six of Frist's 55 votes were sitting in that room |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The "bar" is at the discretion of each signatory. nt |
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markus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yes, each of them. Seperately. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. They're not the ones filibustering, though. |
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tedzbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 01:36 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I will wait to see what Gore Vidal says about this compromise... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 05:04 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. It amazes me... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
81. We won; Frist lost big time. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
90. Dead for this year, surely? |
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Lannes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
92. Its early but.. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
94. I don't think this is a "win" as much as a "time out." |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
103. We survived... |
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