Four ways the democrats lose on this deal...

1) The republicans radical judges will get confirmed.

2) The republicans come out looking great to the voters, because they didn't subvert the Constitution.

3) The republicans will now still be able use and abuse the filibuster as they have in the past, if by some miracle the democrats ever pick up a few seats in the senate.

4) The republicans will get the filibuster anyway, when they steal the five seats necessary in the 2006 election with the republican owned electronic voting machines...

And to top it all off, the republicans bitch-slapped the Democrats in front of the whole country.

#2 No they don't. Reid's the one claiming that WE saved Democracy.

#3 So can we. We can also hit them with their own "nuclear option."

#4 That's just really pessimistic. Let's work on 2006 and turn the tables on them.

#5 Not even CLOSE.

By giving in to the republicans?

Democrat will NEVER use that option, they will have to control the Senate, the House, the Presidentcy and the Surpreme Court, (not to mention the corporate media).

"Pessimistic" perhaps...but the republicans are installing their electronic voting machines everyday all around the country under the bullshit "Help America Vote" legislation.

This one, (# 5) of course is subjective.

Bush* is doing almost as well as Saddam. Saddam missed getting 100% of his way also.

for the Democrats. We still have the filibuster for where it really counts, the Supreme Court. I wasn't expecting because I was sure the Republicans had grown a back-bone. Thankfully, I was wrong.

ultra right-wing fundamentalist fascist to the Supreme Court? (Which he will undoubtedly do).

A single judge in a group has influence, but not control. I haven't seen an analysis yet of how these judges would fit in the makeup of the courts they're going to. Can anybody point me to someplace that does?

the Courts of Appeals are FULL of nuts. Always have been. I would rather not have them on the bench but the fact is our federal appellate courts are by and large already so far right that a few more cranks won't change a whole lot. But just one more loon to goosestep with Scalia and Thomas on the Supremes and it is lights out, in a very tangible and immediate way. If the "deal" comes down to giving them a few more Circuit Court wackjobs in exchange for keeping the ability to block extreme nominees to the Supreme Court, given what little leverage we had in the situation, you have to make that deal.

But there is nothing about the cons that make me believe that they will keep their word regarding future votes. I have alot of fear concerning what they will do in the Senate, but at this point I do not believe that they are bargaining in good faith. In other words, they are gonna screw us no matter if we bend over & lube up or not.

My question is, how do you later block any of these far right nominees as "extreme" when they have already been confirmed once?

what surprises me is that the Republicans made the deal without getting an exact definition of the word "extreme". Seems to me we gave up nothing but a few judge slots.

1. ALL of the nominees were probably going to get confirmed anyway if the filibuster was killed.

2. The public will view it as "politics as usual" and forget it in a week.

3. So, what? Didn't the Dems fight for the filibuster as an important idea? Shouldn't the Repubs have the same right when they are the minority?

4. Maybe. That's a worry for another day.

5. Then why are Republicans pulling their hair out? ;)

We have very little time. The republicans are setting in in place electronic voting machines each and every day.

We have so very little time!

the right to thank Senator Bird for doing all of this with Senator Warner. I wonder if Rush Limpballs will acknowledge Senator Bird as Senator KKK Bird. Also, what about that excuse for human waste Hannity? Will Bird be given all the credit. Neither one of those two will be senators much longer, if not by retirement, by death. Their states will vote them back in as they are career politicians.

Also, the ridiculousness of having Senator Bird get up there and push him in front of the microphone first because it was "His Time." They know that by acting as if Bird "Saved the Senate" the man would eat it up. I was surprised his speech was so short. As a matter of fact, he didn't seem all that thrilled either. Reed still seemed pissed and unhappy with the solutions by even TELLING Bush what he needs to do.

Do these idiots not realize that Laura Bush is in the middle east getting booed, yelled at, heckled, and that alone you know has Bush pissed off. I'm surprised he has not bombed them yet. If he cannot take it out on the people there, he's going to take it out on the people here. Tomorrow "Reed" will be publicly apologizing for EVERYTHING. How much you want to bet????

I'm sooooooooooooo frustrated and angry.

:mad: :nuke:

polls, listening to Malloy on AAR and talking it over with other people?

The Dems missed the opportunity to go to the mat for all Americans people to see. Like when the republicans tried to shut down the government under President Clinton.

The republicans got their way this time.

Very sad.

:kick:

Anything change your mind?

:puke:

1. the repugs are not getting all of their judges

2. the repugs are only going to look good to the base

3. using the filibuster was the whole point of the problem. the minority should have the right to filibuster. remember that for the the repugs to have to resort to the filibuster, they would have to be in the minority, now do you want to bet on them losing enough seats in the next 4 years for the dems to get the majority.

4. well if the repugs are going to get the extra seats that they need, why cry about anything. we're all useless and should not even be worried about putting up a fight.

The Democrats had nothing to lose (the Filibuster, not really)...Now, they look wimpy and lost everything because the republicans will just do it again with a Supreme Court nominee.

And the republicans got what they wanted, their radical extreme nominees...

Perhaps I'm wrong, but if the Dems would of put up a long fight...America would have taken notice.

If, the Democrat would have fought, now though, a compromise you seem to feel is appropriate.

What got accomplished?

repugs look like they got bitched slapped, and by repugs, I mean the fundie wing. that's the only group that is going to look bad.

They act like wimps, they talk like wimps, they look like wimps.

Do ya think they might possibly be...wimps? Or, worse, self-serving, unethical, cowardly, politicians? Ooops, I'm being redundant.

Those Democrats in the Senate have yet to find an issue where they can't find a way to appease Republicans one way or another.

The American people will never again respect Democrats unless we take a stand on something.

Giving Republicans everything they wanted is not taking a stand.

Bush wins, we lose.

fascist judges, because the facists are in power. there is nothing that can be done about it at this time. what is going on now is a game of chess.

but if you don't see that you can always become a greenie, and 40 years from now we will still be talking about the wacky repug judges, being put in the courts.

oh well.

Whether brought on by the Repugs or consented to by the Dems.

The problem with your chess metaphor is that with only one party playing both sides of the board..we lose.

way to go.

Despite the all too obvious defeat of being threatened into submission by the repugs.

Not unlike the great "victory" for the Dems who voted for the IWR that prevented the invasion of Iraq based on the promises made by Boobya.

Our party won't stand up for anything - nothing!

Going into 2006, we have shown the American people that Democrats are weak and they stand for nothing (remember a few days ago when theses judges were too extreme - today they are just fine).

We have also allowed the right wing Senate to look moderate in the eyes of voters.

And finally, it looks like a victory for Bush to most voters and to the media.

Democrats in the Senate are pathetic.

Will they ever find anything worth fighting for, ever?

tried to, but they don't have the votes to do that so all they can do is slow stuff down, repugs eventually get all they want. and dems get the praise from the die hards. but in the mean time those who don't care about judges, see all of the reports about how dems slowing down legislation is stopping all of those state projects like highway construction.

so who do you think will get the boot in 06,08 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016,...... oh yeah the die hards will be here.