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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:49 PM
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Poll question: Which shooting affected you the most?
Edited on Tue May-24-05 12:50 PM by billbuckhead
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:51 PM
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1. Need to allow multiple responses......
....in my case JFK, MLK and RK
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:57 PM
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5. That's Exactly What I Thought
and those are my 3 choices, as well.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:04 PM
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13. Yes...
mine as well..and in same order.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:23 PM
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22. Yes - these 3 were the greatest leaders from 2nd half of the 20th century!
Edited on Tue May-24-05 01:23 PM by TwentyFive
They were assassinated the same time the radical right was in it's infancy.

My question now is, who are the great leaders for the first half of the 21st century?
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:51 PM
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2. The reason it affects me the most is because ,
Edited on Tue May-24-05 12:52 PM by chicagojoe
regardless of the findings of any commission, I believe it was perpetrated by the Radical Right. Period. Same with MLK and RFK.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:55 PM
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3. 1968 was the year I turned 16. Both of my heroes were killed.
I honestly believed that Bobby Kennedy would be president and then he would join Dr. King and make racism and discrimination a thing of the past (ok, I was naive.)
Then they both died. Teen angst? Curt Cobain had nothing on me.
To make matters much, much worse, we wound up with Nixon.
And so began a long deliberate slide into darkness.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:58 PM
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6. Even though I wasn't a live then
it still effected me. JFK was a wonderful guy and same with RFK. I always imagine what it would be like if they were still a live and Mr. King. *sigh* :cry:
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recovering democrat Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:57 PM
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4. RFK
Said better than I could - by Senator Edward Kennedy on June 8th, 1968 in Bobby Kennedy's eulogy:

"My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.

"Those of us, who loved him and who take him to his rest today pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will someday come to pass for all the world.

"As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him: 'Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not.'"



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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:13 PM
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17. I agree
JFK was tapped by his father to "replace" Joe Jr. as the golden child, but RFK was the REAL thing -- he wasn't a politician; he was a leader. And Teddy will always have my respect because of that eulogy ...

How I wish we could lure RFK Jr. into politics ... OK, I'm throwing it out here: How about a John Edwards/RFK Jr. ticket in '08? (The second coming coupled with the son ... ) !!!!
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 12:58 PM
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7. JFK -- it started America's lack of trust in its own government.
And it's only gotten worse since then, decade after decade.

JFK's assassination hit me hard, but I was still a child --
RFK and MLK being assasinated in the same year (I was a teen by then, and politically aware) was horrifying -- it felt like we were going to keep on descending, and that hope was gone.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:00 PM
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8. Lennon because I was born in 1965.
If I was 15 or even 10 years older you can bet it'd be JFK.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:00 PM
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9. Columbine.
Close to where I live. Know someone who died in the shooting.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:01 PM
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10. Columbine. I was born a year after Lennon was shot
So its the only one I remember.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:02 PM
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11. Ironically the most one which has had the most
effect overall would be JFK. Even though it was before I was born.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:03 PM
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12. After the JFK murder, I became numb.
I could no longer react to othed such murders with "normal" intensity. To me, the world suddenly turned evil, and hasn't gotten much better to this day. It's a cliche of course, but NOTHING really shocks me any more.

pnorman
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:05 PM
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14. Assassination of JFK was the first death I ever heard of
It affected me enormously.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:08 PM
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15. MLK and RFK. 1968 is a line of demarcation between sanity and insanity.
As horribly tragic as JFK's murder was, what happened in 1968 stands out in higher relief. The U.S. was blowing apart at the seams: Vietnam, student unrest, civil-rights confrontations, the gender-equity revolution, etc. If ever progressive leadership was needed to steer this country through difficult shoals, it was in 1968.

But MLK and RFK were cut down, and Nixon became president. The assassinations of 1968 started an insane sequence of events that Americans are reeling from to this day.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:10 PM
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16. Bobby Kennedy affected me immediately personally the most
I was 14 and remember feeling punched in the gut when I heard this on the radio. I called home crying to my mother "they are killing all the good guys". It was my single defining moment of awakening into the larger and political world. I remember MLK being shot and all the upset around it, his shooting is what led to my realization of the world after RFK got shot (the 2 in combination).

I was too young to remember much about JFK though my parents told me he was a tool, responsible for much good and much bad and Bobby was the one with true vision and individual possibilities.

I don't remember Malcom X (ND was pretty white and conservative back then). The others were trite though I did feel bad at Lennon's it didn't affect me.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:13 PM
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18. I'm coming through the keyboard if anyone sez Raygun!
n/t
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:15 PM
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19. I was around for all of them, but Bobby hit me the hardest.
I wasn't old enough to vote (17) in '68, but volunteering for Bobby's campaign was my first involvement in politics.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:18 PM
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20. I'm not over JFK's assassination YET, and probably never will be n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:19 PM
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21. I have to say JFK. I was only 8
and it seems like yesterday. My 3rd grade teacher walked into our class crying and told us what happened. I can barely remember what happened yesterday, but that day and the weeks that followed are still vivid in my mind. My mom cried for days. We lived in front of the TV to see what was happening. It was a dark time in our history. :(
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:23 PM
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23. On that list, Lennon, because of my age. But Dunblane, Scotland
horrifies me most of all. I had a child around that age then, and I remember being so terrified it would happen here I couldn't concentrate, and the grief I felt for the parents almost overwhelmed me. For a few days I would go on lunch break and drive past my daughter's school, just to feel safer.
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NYC2099 Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:24 PM
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24. Columbine was the only one I can even remember...period.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:27 PM
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25. I've got to say columbine
I was only a block or two away at my charter school and they put us on lock down. What I remember thinking after I found out what had happened was that half of the kids in my school would have been candidates to do the same thing if they had remained in public school.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:33 PM
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26. You forgot Aberham Lincoln
I'm just sayin'
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 02:21 PM
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32. If anyone here was alive when Lincoln was shot, *I* want to meet them!
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:33 PM
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27. The one that really got me was Kent State.
Kids about my age, and not too far from where I lived (Cleveland). And a governor who was at war with my generation.

(But the deaths of both Kennedys and Martin Luther King were also devastating.)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:39 PM
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28. Late 60's early 70's were something
MLK, RFK, Kent State all blurred together. Having these be my formative yrs is why I think things have to get worse here now before they get better, though my father says things are worse now than they were then.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:51 PM
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29. JFK
I was 5 at the time. It is one of my earliest memories. I recall how upset everyone was -- every single grown-up person I met. Then the solemn funeral procession on TV. It shocked me out of an innocence that every child deserves to retain a while longer.

Second is 9-11. I lived in the NY metro area at the time. But at that point, after the long procession of worldwide atrocities observed between JFK and 9-11, well, as a nation we bounce along a bottom we hit a long time ago.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 02:18 PM
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30. Reagan, because the bastard lived
I took it, rightly it seems now, as an omen of dark times to come.

I was in 7th grade at the time, and when we got the news he'd been shot the whole classroom cheered. We were such snots :P
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 02:20 PM
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31. John Lennon. I couldn't Imagine why someone would do that.
You might also want to add Pope John Paul II on there.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:40 PM
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33. A hundred bullets that changed history
Edited on Tue May-24-05 07:42 PM by billbuckhead
:tinfoilhat:
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