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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:04 PM Original message |
For those who think we got a raw deal on filibuster. What would you |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. If someone complains and doesn't post why... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Well said. It feels like half of DU likes doing that though. |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. So far in this thread, I've seen... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. I guess we'd need to know the answer to this question: |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. But that's where the "deal" |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Right, an outright defeat. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Frist claimed to have the 51, Graham was one of them who changed |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Followed by.... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. I can hear it now... |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. We didn't have 6 out of the 7 |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
112. According to MSNBC, we had all 7. |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. All I can say is... |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #112 |
126. The seven GOP senators promised to vote against it... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. But they can still nuke us later |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. What the delay gains us... |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. But they can only nuke us if they have the votes. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. "Without the deal they had the votes." |
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OilemFirchen (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
93. DeWine and Graham would've voted yea. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Yeah, I know what they said |
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OilemFirchen (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. And I explained why. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
66. And... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. no, you got it right |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. Question... |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. An agreement in writing. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I don't think they would dare go nuclear over a Supreme Court nominee |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The public is against the war too. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. But they were for the war when they voted on it. nt |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. So that makes it a good idea? |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Absolutly not, but they had support of the public when they voted on |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. We'll see. n/t |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm just gonna sit back and watch |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. So what was your plan? |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Why? |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:44 PM Original message |
Translation: you didn't have a better option |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes, you're probably right |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Again, thanks for participating |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. Well, shucks, |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Demands that could never, ever be met? |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. No, silly, |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Stay gold |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
84. My Plan: Trigger the nuclear option |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
109. Perhaps |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. You didn't answer the question. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I would suggest you look at OLL"s resume before you dare to suggest to her |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I don't give a flying fuck who she is. |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Yes, you're probably right |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. 29 Years eh?? Wow that's impressive!!! |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Impressive? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Deleted message |
OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Now, now, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Deleted message |
OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. I don't have time to read your screed |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. I hope you don't break the spine on your Roget's over little old me. |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. Priceless |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. You, there's no doubt |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. But since I wouldn't demand something I wouldn't do myself. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Question... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Frist didn't back off. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. So.. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. You seem to think that illusion is valueless. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Excuse me... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. It's not Frist's word. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Call their bluff |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Reid was going to. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #94 |
115. No you don't |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:47 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. How many times do I have to repeat this? |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Yeah sure |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Please, present your fool proof alternative. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. It isn't |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:11 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I still have respect, as does a lot of people here at DU. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. And You are? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. I didn't say I was. But I didn't pretend to be to begin with. |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Neither did I |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Perhaps not - if they have to explain why they think someone is under |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. Most of the responses I have seen, in those rare cases where people |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. ROTFL!!!!! nt |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. It is obvious we had the votes by the vote count. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Obvious like it was when we had the votes to defeat Medicaid? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. So a bird in the hand is better than one in the bush? ( No pun |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. Even money? I think you're being too kind with your odds there. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I am sorry. I can't stop laughing! We"We don't have such threats on our |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Really? We can threaten Republicans to obey? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. No, but we can threaten Democrats! The ones that really threaten them are |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Okay, but in the scope of THIS FIGHT, what good would that do? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. No, but Feingold would make an excellent Joe Gillis. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. Here is a thread on this |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. The only thing the Republicans want is to get Bush's |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. Given public opinion polls on filibuster... |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. I am thinking they know they are going to lose in 06' so they want to |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. I would have continued the session debates for more than one more day... |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
14. Do you compromise with a rapist? |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Weigh the overall consequences... |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. I think we'll get 10 awful judges anyway... |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. Bingo. No Compromise = 10 more nutjobs in instead of 3. |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
100. The invincible GOP |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
108. I never said it was impossible. |
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OilemFirchen (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
110. And even a "serious ass-kicking in 2006" means what? |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Exactly. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. But the polls show that the public supports the filibuster... |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
130. If you have a gun, no. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. I look forward to working with the liars and criminals. |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Answer: Most excellent. (nt) |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. If a senator, I would have declared myself an Independent or Green. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I should remind yuo of the 1880s |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. Really? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. What you're missing is the fact that Frist didn't have the votes. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Others are saying they did have the votes. Who to believe?? nt |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Sorry, I don't buy it |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Check out this thread |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
57. Says who? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. See post #57 above. |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Sorry, but I disagree |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Then I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Getting the majority power to blink isn't rolling over in my book... |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. See here |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Simple answer: |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
43. Want to smile? |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Will, do you think Frist had the votes or not? And why? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I posted a reply in your other thread |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
49. Let me try to explain why we disagree |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
128. So would this "exploitable backlash" be like the one... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. The thing I'm worried about is this |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
60. The best option was for the Democrats to stand on principal |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Right on.You nailed it. I hope this works out for us but, I have |
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returnable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
103. I disagree on your worst case scenario |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
106. Yeah. I would have stood on principle and called on Democrats |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
107. I agree... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-05 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
116. given them the less extreme nominees |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
123. What would I have done? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. And what do you envision the results of such action being? |
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