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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:22 AM
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If the war is so just why doesn't *Bush call on Americans to enlist?
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:24 AM by tk2kewl

An entreaty to get Americans to enlist

Sheryl McCarthy
Newsday May 26, 2005

Charlie Rangel's at it again.

The New York congressman two years ago assailed the hypocrisy of the war in Iraq by demanding that, if the Bush administration and Congress believed in the war so much, they should reinstate the draft. Now he is urging the president to appeal to Americans to enlist in the military.

"At the very least the president should spend some of his political capital and publicly appeal to Americans to volunteer for service in Iraq," Rangel has been saying lately. "He should go on television and explain why this war is important enough for parents to put their sons and daughters in harm's way."

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:29 AM
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1. Well since he dodged the last one
he'll have more than a little problem. Furthermore everyone knows the reason for this war was 'a pack of lies'.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:31 AM
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2. all true. but Charlie is doing a fine job.
;)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:00 PM
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23. Agreed n/t
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:31 AM
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3. Cause he has to pretend this war has no cost
If he admitted this were a serious war, the American people justifiably ask whether the tax cuts were really all that good an idea.

Bryant
check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:36 AM
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4. I have to ask, "If this war is so all-fired important and just,
why aren't Jenna and Barbara in boot camp as we speak?"

During World War II, most members of Congress had children or grandchildren in the military, and FDR's sons all enlisted. In other words, the political leaders of the WWII era didn't go around saying, "Well, my family serves in other ways."

I'm close to being a pacifist, but people who advocate a war should have the honesty to be willing to fight in it instead of sending their serfs.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:38 AM
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5. Rove knows thats a loser
That horse has no legs. The minute some rich kid from the burbs gets drafted and killed, the repugs lose. They are dependent on grabbing uneducated, no future, lost souls who see the milatary as a way to "get a job when I get out."
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:40 AM
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6. and that is exactly what Charlie is trying to show folks
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:31 AM
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12. Charlie is exposing the neocons' Achille's heel.
The neocons know they need a draft. Rangel is warning people what is ahead.

Hats off to Charlie Rangel, a fellow Army vet ! :patriot:
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:38 AM
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13. he's also exposing them as the chicken-hawks that they are
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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:48 AM
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17. I take offense to some or your statement!
I'm not a lost soul or without a future or undeducated (two Master's Degrees on the Army's dime)...The Army has been pretty good for me, and it is a personal choice that I serve. Over 25 years of service infact. Now I can see your claim is valid in many aspects...lots of our troops have joined for education and money that was not available outside etc...Please be careful when ou broad brush the military..Some of us have reason, education, serve for multiple reasons...
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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:42 AM
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7. Does this make sense?
Edited on Thu May-26-05 09:45 AM by Pockets
Personally, I think, that this war is mainly to give people who like to fight something to do.

This is not meant to marginalize solders who truly have fended off actual agressors. I would definitely have joined the military if we were clearly threatened as in WWII, or if we later have to fight for our liberties taken away by big business leaders. But in the case of Iraq, it might be better that those who like to kill and blow things up for no reason to be there rather than here. (Edit: they should not be forced to stay there once they realize what's happened to them.)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:44 AM
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8. Yeah, too bad about those tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians
who have to be sacrificed so that "people who like to fight (have) something to do."
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:50 AM
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10. Maybe pockets would like
to have a born-killer with nothing to do over to his place for a visit :crazy:
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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:12 AM
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11. Ouch... don't kill the messenger
Edited on Thu May-26-05 10:13 AM by Pockets
I'm just expounding on the highest level of political thinking -- or Bush Logic. There are mulitple solutions to every problem. And given the chosen solution, even if it were to damage this country's reputation, I think the moral and right thing would be to conclude that *Bush is guilty of war crimes.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:38 AM
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14. You think what ?!?
You think this war was caused by all of the aggressive soldiers that just like to fight?

The "people who like to fight" are the ones who never get to the frontlines... the CEOs of GE, Dyncorp, Blackwater, Halliburton, Bechtel, etc., etc., etc.

Stop blaming the soldiers for the war. That is flat out wrong.

I'm an infantry combat vet and the last person who wants a war is a grunt.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:46 AM
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16. Thanks for your service. I am glad you survived to fight the good fight.
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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:53 AM
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19. Okay, here we go....
First of all thank you for your service.

Obviously, neither my nor your generalizations apply globally to everyone. I am merely tapping into one possible hypothesis regarding social behavior. It appears probable that the anti-Christ and chief is applying this theory in practice.

Finally, I said war "gives" people who want to fight something to do, not that everyone who joins the military joined for this reason.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:46 AM
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15. no, that doesn't make sense, but I sort of see where you
might be coming from. It's more about PNAC Dreams of Empire, oil, funnelling money into Halliburton, Boeing, etc. etc.
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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 11:14 AM
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21. Certainly, that's part of it, but that also is what Repugs want.
Tell a Repug that the war is just for oil or for war profits, and they'll respond, "great, let's make the war last forever". In fact I am sure that's why it's still ongoing, so that contractors will stay in business.

I think the real issue is, why do people stoop to such low levels in life? What motivates some people to abandon all other alternatives, and resort to killing or otherwise harming others in the course of their daily existence? It happens all over -- people at war, people committing genocide in Darfur, and people denying one another health care and jobs they need for their freedom or survival. It's a deeply rooted human flaw that should be addressed.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:46 AM
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9. Because
If Bush CALLS on people to enlist then there must be a problem.

And Freedom is on the march, there are no problems in Iraq!
:sarcasm:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:51 AM
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18. Especially since he only speaks (in person) to Bush-friendly crowds.
Recuiters should attend every event. I'm sure they would be swamped with the faithful.

Especially the Young Republicans on campus.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 10:58 AM
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20. superb idea!
Edited on Thu May-26-05 10:59 AM by tk2kewl
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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 11:25 AM
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22. Great -- why limit it to *Bush
Every politician who supports war should address the public with recruiters standing at their side. It would show the public what they're really facing.
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