MSNBC : "What do you believe about the growing claims that al-Zarqawi..."

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What do you believe about the growing claims that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is wounded?

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Probably true 41%

A ruse 36%

Not sure 23%

does it matter whether al-zarqawi is alive or dead?

the media is so full of bull

they can only deal in rumors or hearsay, because they are so incompentent

someone to take his place.

And they cannot find Usama....so they keep throwing this 'shadowy figure' at us. It does not resonate, though, because we don't have any good video of the guy...just a bunch of shitty, grainy head shots.

I think the unconcerned people tune it out, waiting anxiously instead for Michael Jackson and Runaway Bride updates. But, to the benefit of the WH, it does cut into the time spent covering the Gang of 14 and the lame duckiness of the chimp!!!

but -- it doesn't matter -- zarqawi is one among many who are in this fight.

i'm sure there a number who can/will/have take{n} his place.

the ALIVE zarqawi? And further still is it the 2-LEGGED zarqawi, the 1-LEGGED zarqawi or the NOW-HAS-2-LEGS-AFTER-HAVING-1-AMPUTATED zarqawi?

Until then how can I answer?

least 2 reported deaths!

I truly believe that there is indeed a Zarqawi. I believe he is a terrorist. I am not sure if he is hurt.... that I just don't know.

Why in Gods name are we laughing at this? I am failing to understand.

Zarqawi is a fucking terrorist! He has been responsible for many deaths of innocent Iraqi's as well as US SOILDERS!

This is beyond belief to me that there are some who are taking this so lightly and MOCKING it . Tell that to some Mother who just lost her 18 year old child to the insurgents!

The media has reported that this man was dead, alive, captured, not captured, missing limbs, shot, heroic escapes, and the list goes on...

Our dismay with the reporting should not representative of our feelings towards the fallen soldiers and their families.

Please, don't play the game that if one criticizes the invasion or how this invasion is covered, spun or exploited as being some slam against those who have wrongly died or those who are serving in the military.

Zarqawi is a terrorist in the fact he's not an Iraqi and we are led to believe he's the mastermind behind several plots that have led to deaths. Again, led to believe. There's this impression that he's a major cause for this occupation or the invasion, which he isn't, and is used constantly by this regime and the corporate media to create a straw man/bogie man to rally lagging support by the American public.

A telling figure I heard the other day was before the American invasion, there hadn't been a car bombing ever reported in Iraq. So far this year there are 50! Zarqawi isn't driving all these cars. He's just one part of a larger insurection that has our young men and the general Iraqi populace in the cross-hairs.

The corporate media focuses on Zarqawi while we ignore what led us to invade this country and what's been happening on "our watch" ever since that our young men and women are paying the price for.

The longer we play the game of thinking there's some noble purpose to this invasion/occupation, the longer our young men and women remain in peril.

So, are you saying that there is no one "in charge" of the insurgency?

Do you believe that there *is* and insurgency?

Is there only *one* terrorist?

Look, I don't agree with this war any more than you do, as a matter of fact, I protested it and was completely disgusted when the invasion began.

However, we are there now. We cannot just leave. We have a responsibility to protect the innocent Iraq's as well as our armed forces. If we are chasing one guy... good, chase him.... capture him. I am sure that there are alot of stories that we don't hear. How do we really know who the soldier's are capturing? Are they capturing bunches of insurgents? We don't know....

There is no noble purpose here, but there is RESPONSIBILITY.

Are you sure there's a coordinated insurgency? I sure don't. Do you believe in all the boogie men this regime has created as "Al Queda" and other groups as a pretext to their pillage of this country and the region?

What I see is our military...and specifically our young men and women stuck in an escalating civil war created by a power vacuum being used by this regime and its corporate cronies to fleece billions from the American taxpayer and in the manipulation of oil prices. These are the real insurgents in that country who should be removed and attention should be focused there, not on some small bit player used as some sinister figure who we really don't know ever existed. I haven't seen him interviewed...have you? One would think if one's going to be a leader, they'd have the ego of one and want to have their videos all over the media.

Yes, there is responsibility and sadly ours is going to be picking up the pieces of this invasion and its decades of consequences. I grew up during Vietnam and learned to differentiate those who fight and the conditions they fight under compared to those who create the fight and use it for their own personal gain.

Let me ask you one last question...if this invasion had occured in your state, would you benignly stand by and allow a foreign occupier you've long suspected to all of a sudden be your savior and hero? Would you resist the occupation and how? Would you collaborate? The disgrace of this invasion is a responsibility many of us live with already.

Peace

I do believe that there is a coordinated insurgency. I really do. I think that there are extremists in Iraq that want things done differently. They are against America and they are against any Iraqi that helps.

I truly believe that *most* Iraqi's just simply want their life back. I think that many want to work with the coalition just to simply make their lives more normal. Insurgents are not helping the innocent Iraqi's. They are causing more ciaos.



The answer to your question?

HELL NO! Of course I wouldn't just stand by. By framing it this way, it makes it difficult to get my point across. I'm trying.. :)

My point ( opinion ) is that most Iraqi's just wanna be normal, many of them don't have the resources to fight the coalition, many just want to put food on the table. I really do believe that there is a true bona fide "insurgency" They may be loosely organized, but I truly truly believe that there is one. I think that the coalition needs to take it seriously, as a matter of fact think we all do. Innocent people are dying, all while we are sitting around wondering if there is an insurgency or not. Bottom line: The coalition fucked up... royally. We have a responsibility to fix it with whatever it takes.

They are a local group of Iraqis who don't like their country occupied. And while it sucks that our guys are on the receiving end of that, that doesn't make it any less the truth. No doubt the British in 1776 considered George Washington and his boys to be "terrorists" and "insurgents" as well.

As for Hopalong Zarqawi, so far his existence is no more credible than that of the Easter Bunny. "Well someone's leading these attacks...." sure, and someone's hiding the Easter eggs too. Doesn't mean it's who the Bush fraudministration claims it is.

The picture of Zarqawi that is usually shown in the media looks exactly like a computer generated police composite sketch, and I would bet that is exactly what it is. He's the "Emmanuel Goldstein" of the PNAC real life re-enactment of "1984"

is probably led by Republican Guard generals who planned this guerrilla warfare long before the invasion - IMO.

Saw that on the news. That they considered Zarqawi a bigger threat to the U.S. than Bin Laden. YOu know. Usama? The guy who attacked us on 9/11 to get this all started?

Remember when this was a war on terror? A war on Al-Qaida=? A war to find Bin Laden?

Now it's a war on insurgents in Iraq to support 'freedom' and our main enemy is an insurgent who only reared his head after we attacked Iraq?

What the fuck?

and only one face at the time. Otherwise, things get way too muddy and relative. Doesn't matter if it's Ghadaffi or Noriega or Bin Laden or Saddam or Zarqawi, there has to be a bad guy who is the antithesis to the American president in the war between Good and Evil.