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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:32 PM
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Rumsfeld planning orbiting death stars
If you ever doubted the PNACers were crazy, it is time to stop doubting.

"Just three days before Weiner's piece appeared, military analyst William Arkin reported in the Washington Post that "early last summer, Defense Secretary Donald H Rumsfeld approved a top secret 'Interim Global Strike Alert Order'," preparing the way for devastating attacks against hostile powers developing weapons of mass destruction, air strikes that could be carried out more or less on demand anywhere on the planet and, if so desired, included a "nuclear option"."

"One of the imagined future weapons for Rumsfeld's "global strike" force, for instance, turns out to be a CAV (common aero vehicle) that, from space, could theoretically hit any target on Earth with a massive dose of conventional munitions on half an hour's notice."

" For instance, according to Weiner, one such weapon, Hypervelocity Rod Bundles (nicknamed "Rods from God"), aims "to hurl cylinders of tungsten, titanium or uranium from the edge of space to destroy targets on the ground, striking at speeds of about 7,200 miles <11,590 kilometers> an hour with the force of a small nuclear weapon". In this way, the boundaries between the previously almost unusable nuclear option and more conventional war-fighting options are slowly - and quite consciously - being blurred by the Bush administration."

"Space superiority is not our birthright, but it is our destiny," Space Command's General Lord told an Air Force conference in September. "Space superiority is our day-to-day mission. Space supremacy is our vision for the future."

"As Theresa Hitchens of the Center for Defense Information pointed out in a recent article, "Orbiting 'death stars' to attack ground targets are being considered""

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GE27Aa02.html
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:34 PM
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1. I want life to be like the movies
where the good people have the power.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:35 PM
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2. "General Lord" , yet! n/t
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:36 PM
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4. That's just too much!
General Lord. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Well, actually George Lucas could.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:41 PM
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11. How about General Lord with the Space Rod? I think Dr.Dre can write a
rap song about it.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:36 PM
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3. so much for Alderaan
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:36 PM
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5. U.S. Space Forces
The newest addition of the military. Coming soon in a galaxy near you.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:37 PM
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6. Why is it that no one has yet asked the question:Is Rumsfeld Insane?
Why is he walking freely?
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:39 PM
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9. No kidding! He is definitely cuckoo for cocoa puffs!!
This is amazing to me...actually, I take that back. Nothing these imbeciles do anymore amazes me.

More tax money down the freakin' toilet...
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:08 PM
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16. Almost every dark vision that our best writers,moviemakers and
artists have had in the past fifty odd years have come true in the space of a few years.In fact, one could say George Orwell underestimated the capacity of our totalitarians to terrorize us;Stanly Kubrick could not have visualized the madness of Rumsfeld when he made Dr.Strangelove.

The disconnect from reality that we suffer from can be laid at the door of this vast propaganda machine that exists for the sole purpose of keeping people in the dark.The guy at CNN who said "People do not have the right to know" was speaking the truth for a change.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:37 PM
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7. Where is Grand Moff Tarkin when you need him?


Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin (60 BBY - 0 BBY) is a fictional character in the Star Wars universe, portrayed in the film Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope by the British actor Peter Cushing.

A native of the planet Eriadu, Tarkin was known to be a cold-blooded killer. A few years after the formation of the Galactic Empire, a large group of protesters stood on a landing platform directly underneath his transport, protesting the Imperial taxation on Ghorman. Tarkin ordered his ship to land, crushing and killing hundreds of Imperial subjects. This incident became known as the Ghorman Massacre, and established the "Tarkin Doctrine" of suppressing dissent through state terrorism. Its basic tenet, as Tarkin often said, was "Rule through the fear of force rather than the force itself". Some had reservations about Tarkin's methods, suspecting them to be only efforts to enlarge his own position, in open opposition of Palpatine’s agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Moff_Tarkin

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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:38 PM
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8. Oh, don't be so coy, General Lord
Deep in your heart, you believe it's your birthright, too.

All I know is the future really is starting to look like a lot of that bad sci fi I read as a kid. And I have to wonder, is the rest of the world just going to sit back with meekly folded hands and let this happen?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:40 PM
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10. Har! Everyone knows the weak point of the death star...
Just gotta get a photon torpedo (or whatever the hell it was) down that ventilator shaft!

USE THE FORCE, LUKE!:rofl:
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:48 PM
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12. but, that's a good thing, right? More money for contractors
...that 'a space-based laser would cost $100 million per target, compared with $600,000 for a Tomahawk missile.'"

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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:51 PM
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13. Wasn't there something about Star Wars spending recently
In addition, based on past history, such futuristic dream-weaponry is likely to be about as successful as our $100 billion (so far) Star Wars anti-missile system, which has proved incapable of intercepting anything smaller than the Queen Mary or faster than a tractor...

Wasn't congress meeting behind closed doors again and fretting about violating treaties but increasing the annual cost of this corporate boondoggle from $4B(?) to $10B. Hey congress, if you're so worried about the morality of what you're doing, why don't you come out from behind closed doors? We'll all be better off.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 02:57 PM
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14. "Star Wars, Star Trek and Killing Politely" by Dr. Nick Begich
An inside look at some of the new weapons that could be/are deployed in space.
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/starwars.html
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 03:04 PM
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15. Demon Defense Shield - from Betty Bowers

Pentagon illustration shows pigs (as described in Mark 5:12-13) are used to absorb incoming demons

http://www.bettybowers.com/newsdemons.html

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) President Bush revealed today how he plans to allocate the money in Social Security's "unlocked box" not already used to pay for his recent taxpayer sweepstakes. The remaining Social Security funds will be used to build a multi-billion dollar National Demon Defense Shield that will protect Americans from the threat of foreign-launched incoming evil spirits. Mr. Bush's decision to back the controversial project came in response to the heartfelt Christian concern expressed by General Dynamics' Government Contracting division and feasibility studies by creation scientists at Reverend Falwell's Liberty University. "While many secular scientists scoff at the idea of intercepting Satan's demons," said Pat Robertson in response to the President's decision, "the technology is employed in the Bible, so it must work. And aren't these the same so-called 'scientists' who laughed at our $40-billion program to build mid-priced condominiums in whales?"

The National Demon Defense Shield found immediate support in both the evangelical Christian community and the secular defense industry, a demographic whose unflinching financial support almost allowed Mr. Bush to be elected president. "While our company is getting approximately $200 every year from every single American taxpayer, what is the satisfaction of protecting our citizens from the weapons of death outside of them from rogue states when we can't protect them from the couriers of death inside of them from Hell?" asked Christopher E. Kubasik, CFO for Lockheed Martin, when meeting last week with Mr. Bush and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "We are talking, of course, about Satan's advanced demon technology, which is more of a strategic threat to national security than anything even those pet-eating North Koreans could come up with."

Since the Gospel of Mark teaches that Satan's demons are strangely attracted to pigs, the Demon Defense Shield will employ 1,200 decoy pigs that Lockheed Martin will construct for $7,800,000 each. Half of these high-technology swine will be shot into space to lure incoming demons away from America's atmosphere. The other half will be placed outside of Texaco gas stations in case demons that sneak through on land pop in for directions, soda or to use the bathroom.

Initial tests of the airborne pigs have resulted in twelve concussions, one death, and a virulent case of trichinosis, but no confirmed laser-guided exorcisms. These so-called mishaps, however, have not shaken the President's tenacious resolve to move forward with the expensive, Biblically-sound program. "That woman in Cincinnati, Mrs. Clairhopper," said President Bush, "who got smashed into the sidewalk by that four-ton titanium pig that dropped on her head from 97,000 feet was not a set-back for the program at all. For one thing that little piggy was insured. Unlike Mrs. Clairhopper. For another, the Department of Faith issued a memo that very afternoon to state that a mega-demon was almost certainly hiding in Mrs. Clairhopper's lower intestines, waiting for the light to change. Good thing we got him. I say, score a victory for our country's super-cool, neat-o technology. And a thank you to American hero Mrs. Clairhopper of Cincinnati, Ohio. God bless you."

Continued @ http://www.bettybowers.com/newsdemons.html

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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 04:37 PM
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17. Dun Dun Dun Dun Da'Dun Dun Da'Dum
Have they replaced "Hail to the Chief" with the Imperial March yet?
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 06:52 PM
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18. Holy Grand Moff Tarkin....this is too freaky......
I hate when movies start to look like reality...because it's not good...yet I won't mind the part when Dick Cheney gets thrown down the reactor core...but we have to wait awhile for that...unless we speed things up...
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 07:34 PM
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19. I say we should speed things up!
Edited on Thu May-26-05 07:35 PM by Frederik
The reactor core is exactly where the scoundrel belongs.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 08:53 PM
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20. While we'll at it lets just throw the rest of Bush & Co.
down the reactor core...that would be fun...but it might be flirting with the Dark Side...:P
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:04 PM
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22. Don't forget to throw the vote machines while your at it!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:00 PM
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21. The glaring problem with this
is that high-tech megadeath will simply lead to more asymmetric warfare; the enemies of the West will becaome crueller and more devious as we become crueller and more distant. For every Death Star you put in orbit, you get a few more middle-aged mother assassinated on live TV. They will happily follow your denigration of human life and dignity, but with fewer microchips and more cunning public relations.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-05 09:11 PM
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23. Toooo much.
Half an hour ???? You would need about 100 of these things in orbit to be able to strike any target on earth in that time period.

Hope they are not planning on orbiting nuclear materials. But,,, we do not need to know that. Not that massive orbiting cylinders of tungsten, titanium or uranium are a pleasant thought either. Won't these things burn up in the atmosphere on the way down?
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