AL salon charges black women $15 more than white women for hair care

Do they have racialists at the counter to determine which women to "surcharge?" Do "coloreds" pay only $7.50 more than white women? How did they calculate that African hair is $15 more difficult to care for than European hair? :wtf:



http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005/05/30/hair/print.html


Salon accused of "black hair" surcharge


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May 30, 2005 | An Alabama woman is seeking class-action status for a lawsuit against a Dillard's Inc. hair salon for allegedly charging black women more than white women.

Debbie Deavers Sturvisant alleges that a hair salon in a Tuscaloosa, Ala., Dillard's department store charged $35 to wash and set her hair, while white women paid $20 for the same service.

Sturvisant's lawsuit could bring a whole new level of attention to the general practice across the country of charging differently for hair care based on ethnicity.

Officials in Arizona, California, Florida, Maryland and Massachusetts have already addressed race- and sex-based pricing differences at hair salons.

When I was in college, I worked for a beauty supply distributor. It apparently is not only more expensive to buy products for the hair of African Americans, it typically takes longer to style. Something about it just makes it difficult. They probably started charging more to compensate for that without thinking how horrible it looks.

I had an interesting conversation with an African American female coworker who worked at another office and was visiting Dallas from another city -- it might have been our Orlando office. She was really surprised to see that the salons in our area did hair for both black and white women. I didn't think anything of it, but apparently where she's from it was pretty common for the salons to only do one kind of hair. Which surprised the heck out of me, for sure.

than ones that specialize in white women's hair? I ask because I don't know.

I suspect this is bullshit, another instance in which the market finds a way to make it more costly to be outside its box.

We didn't really have that conversation.... :shrug:

when i was into getting my hair done, i only went to salons specializing in black hair. other salons either didn't do black hair, or would charge as much to experiment. in some places, like supercuts, the standard of cutting is for straight hair texture, and that doesn't always work for people with coarser hair textures. you can use clippers on straight hair and not be too worried about direction, but you can really screw up coarser textures if you don't pay attention to direction. trust me...it happened to me more than once, which is why i'd never go to a generic salon again...many of the stylists can only style straight hair.
the braiding salons are a different breed. braiding in very time-consuming, so they tend to charge customers accordingly.

(read woman's shirt) than a "shirt" (read men's shirt)

For some reason, my pants also cost more to dryclean than my husbands. Go figure.

The shirt pressing machines are set up for the buttons to be one one side of the shirt, as the majority of men's shirts are made this way. Blouses have the buttons on the opposite side, which means they can't be pressed on the machine, meaning that pressing by hand is required, therefore more labor = higher cost.

That's how the argument was presented to me when I worked at a dry cleaners.

Reality of course was that the so-called automated shirt pressing machines made a number of errors which had to be touched up with a hand iron anyway, so in the end, the same amount of labor probably went into it.

But then my boss was just a cheap fucking bastard who refused to invest in new equipment, even when it was desperately needed, so he's probably not the best example.

There has to be. Why? Simple competition among salons. The cheaper salon will get the business. Competition forces prices down. Not to zero, but down.

But suppose there was no reason for charging extra and somehow salons were able to simply charge African-Americans more for the same work as whites.

Okay, THEN WHY SERVE WHITES AT ALL? If African Americans are willing to pay so much more, then SCREW THE WHITES. You'll make more money ignoring them and focusing on African Americans.

But this doesn't seem to happen.

The only reasonable explanation is that there is something different about African American hair that makes it more a challenge to handle.

BTW, I worked in a dry cleaning store with my mother. I did men's shirts, she did lady's blouses.

A men's shirt is a men's shirt. There is very little difference between them. The only difference usually is in the color. So the work is easy. Oh, and you can drop them in a giant washing machine.

Blouses are a different story. They must be dry-cleaned. There are just too many variations in shape and size. I've worked in many dry cleaners. I've never seen a machine that could handle the diversity of blouse types.

Oh, I worked at the counter, too. Fact is, men just don't care about quality as much as women so less time could be spent on a men's shirt.

Any stylist will tell you that it is more difficult and time consuming to do black hair properly.
I live in an area that is predominantly black and the shops around here that are run by black people charge black people more than white people. This isn't a racial thing. It has to do with level of difficulty and the time involved.
I saw one of the girls my daughter goes to school with at the store on prom day. Her hair was done beautifully. She told me it took 8 hours to do. My daughter's updo took 30 minutes.
The tradeoff was that I saw this same little girl a week later and her hair was just as beautiful as the day she did it. Of course she paid more.
My daughter's hairdo only lasted that night.
I've had experience with 3 black stylists over the years and I am here to tell you that nobody does your hair better.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Damn, you chilluns be entertaining!!! :loveya:

damn you and your 'hard to do hair' with all the expensive products :evilgrin:

no repeat. Figured out the repeat part was "profit-enhancing marketing" before I knew what to call it. If I had a nickel for every time...
:evilgrin: :hi:

Note: I have never worked in a beauty salon, and have no idea if that's even feasible. But what if it was? If it will take 45 minutes to do Person A's hair, but 15 to do person B's, why not charge more?

I long ago stopped going to salons that have different rates for men and women. (I actually went into one several years ago, and asked for a men's haircut, just to see what they'd say. They turned me down.) I'm OK with places charging more for long hair, even though my long hair is relatively simple and quick -- because at least it's a pricing differential based on something tangible, and not based on outdated assumptions.

Simply because the stylists prefer their brands because they know how to use them properly. You charge for materials, people will want THEIR materials being used and it just becomes a mess, ya know?

on small companies?

Painters, roofers, auto mechanics, maid services, plumbers... many of those types of companies do some version of time+materials, rather than flat pricing. A lawyer will charge per hour, and tack on charges for phone, postage, etc.

I'm not suggesting making it a law or anything -- just simply as a way for the businesses to account for the fact it takes longer, and requires more expensive products, for some customers, without putting a "black hair surcharge" (or, for that matter, a "female hair surcharge") on the bill.

Painters, Roofers, Auto Mechanics, Maid Services, and Plumbers usually take more than an hour to do their job. For people like this it makes sense to charge time and materials.

Haircuts? usually for me 20 minutes, unless I let it grow out than I am at 30? I think it would be silly to expect someone who's service to you is less than an hour or so to charge you on the basis of time.... Should we pay more for the extra cashier time to take a big order at Wendy's?

This is all based in silliness, the woman is charged more because its more difficult to do her hair, this is not racism but everyone has to be put out...

They don't say to her, "We're charging you an extra $15 because *your* hair is difficult to do."

It just happens that the texture of African hair makes that the truth. Do you think if Africans had the same hair textures as say the Irish they would be charged more?

Hmmm?

Because if you use the same cheaper and quicker techniques on her hair that can be used on a Irish woman her hair will fall out and they will be sued...

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Or we can think about it for a second. Most adoption agencies encourage any non afro-american parents who are planning on adopting a black girl to take classes on hair care... *ITS THAT DIFFERENT* I know because my wife and I have looked into it, Im Irish and She is Korean..

You are making the assumption that because it is different, it is more difficult. That isn't necessarily so, for a wide variety of reasons already stated in this thread. The specific texture of hair, whether or not it is already permed, the style it is worn it (high-maintenance or low?) can be true of either whites or blacks.

My wife is black, wears her hair in a short natural, cuts it herself, or I cut it for her, washes her hair daily, never goes to the salon. This is one extreme, and it is very low maintenance.

what if she's bi-racial, for example? newsflash: black people do not all have the same hair texture.

Look, I have many black relatives as well as a few former black girlsfriends and trust me, the stereotypical black, curly hair is very, very, VERY different than plain ol' white hair and requires different chemicals and different treatment.

My sister won't even take my black nieces to a salon if they haven't had experience with black hair before.

Please people, stop reacting with paranoia and use your head.

This lawsuit is completely bogus, I hope the person bringing it gets laughed out of court and has to pay damages to the salon, this is ridiculous.

that your post is rife with it. since you have black relatives, certainly you know that not all black people have the *stereotypical* texture of hair.
um...do you know why dillard's charges black customers, regardless of hair texture, more for a particular service than white customers, regardless of hair texture? and this service in particular, a wash and a set, is not that different for a woman with permed hair than with naturally straight hair.
how can you claim with such authority that the lawsuit is bogus, given the different charge for a relatively SIMPLE service, regardless of hair texture?
i don't think it's racism either...just poor business practice. if you have a standard on which you charge customers, it would behoove you to tell them BEFORE they get the same service that you charge someone else less for.

signed,
patron of many lousy salons, who has yet to receive a reply to the questions i posed directly to you.

if they are charging all black women a different rate than white women, regardless of hair texture, i think they should inform patrons of that policy. and if that's what they are doing, based soley on skin color, or the perception thereof, then it is discriminatory.

...and I'm not just talking about hair with curls in it, I'm talking about huge masses of extremely uncooperative curly frizz. I know this, because I'm part Irish, and while I don't have hair like that, many of my family members do.

There are a wide variety of hair types within any group, and to me, it makes more sense to charge by the type of hair (curly, straight, wavy, etc.) than by the color of the skin, just as it makes more sense to charge based on the actual length of hair than based on the gender of the client.

for their hair?



I can't recall ever being charged more, other than for the length of my hair - i'm Indian (from India) but my hair is difficult for many people to cut because of the way it curls.


I have gotten laughed out of a black salon once tho. That was pretty hurtful.

texture. and some black people use regular white folks products too.

But is there a difference in the amount of time, materieals, or skills needed to treak 'black' hair? A friend in HS was suprised when I told him I wash my hair at least every other day because he though it would take longer than a minute or two..

i have a black friend with naturally straight hair. would it take more time to do her hair than a white woman with straight hair?

when your friend with the naturally straight hair goes to a salon, does she get charged more?

why would she?

If she went to the salon with her naturally straight hair, and got charged more for being black, I would have serious issues with that.

the suit against dillard's is alleging that though.

"...Cooper said the department store's "policy completely ignores hair length, which should be the real determining factor in how much they charge. Pricing ought to be based on reality, not stereotypes, and Dillard's needs to stop what they're doing."

But Little Rock-based Dillard's says that's an oversimplification that distorts its policy.

"Dillard's does not charge different prices based upon the race of the customer," the company said in a statement. "Prices for salon services are based upon the level of experience of the stylist, degree of service, amount of time required and the cost of materials provided to the customer."

Tom McArthur, an instructor and manager of ABC Barber College in Hot Springs, Ark., said different charges based on race and sex are typical. Training manuals routinely note major differences between "black hair" and other ethnic groups' hair, he said. Also, he said, additional skills must be taught to cut the coarse, tightly curled hair commonly called "black hair."

"It's a whole new way of cutting. Not everyone can do it. I cut both and I do it pretty fast, but I grew up in this business," McArthur said.

I know JC Penney had a similar set up the last time i went there.

You could pay anywhere from 35 to 60 bucks for a cut depending on who was tasked with cutting your hair.


It may be that the only person on staff that could work with african-american hair was the 60 buck stylist.


It's tough to say with that policy. the only way to really know for sure whether this is racism or not would have been to do a serious investigation with the cameras and tapped phones and peopel of various hair types going in and out.


As for now - i'll go with not racism, but perhaps misunderstanding coupled with a need to sue.

but maybe that's just me. at the very least, i think dillard's needs to clarify its policy to clear up the matter.

the last Regis i went to might as well have been a Black Beauty Shop. Everyone who worked there was Black, and so were all the customers.


I have a bad habit and going to whatever salon is handy when the mood strikes me to get my hair cut. it's total thrill-seeking behavior.


One other interesting observation regarding the difference between Black salons and white - the black stylists always want to take the hot comb to me, and the white stylists always want to bring out as much curl as possible.

i was figuring dillard's must have some black stylists because...well, you know :D black women have a complex relationship with hair. it's not surprising that the first black, female millionaire, madame cj walker, made her money via haircare.

than short-haired gals for a wash and cut.

There's just more work involved....more time in the chair. Turnover is a n issue in a beauty salon.

full heads of hair.

Talk about injustice!!!!!!

when you buy a suit. Women have to pay through the nose.

I did pay to have the pants adjusted.

;)

I said to the stylist.."So if I go to my car and cut the length off myself, and walk back in, I'd be charged less?".. She replied.. "Salon rules are that if the hair is beyond shoulder length when you arrive, you get charged for "long hair"... So I went home, and cut it myself.. It looked great, so I never even went back :)

I have long hair that comes down to my hips and they charge me a fortune for anything they do. :-(

and women's dry cleaning costs more - figure that one out.

I thought that discrimination was found to be illegal ten or more years ago.

It varies within ethnicity...see "Andre Talks Hair!" for a primer on the differences of hair texture written by Oprah's hair stylist. What I like about that book is that it focuses on the **hair texture** and not necessarily the race/ethnicity of the person.

I've seen 'frizzy headed' white folks! ;-)

On edit: I have afro textured hair and two of the best stylists I ever went to was a Hispanic woman in San Antonio (who had half-black children) and an Asian woman in New Hampshire. If a non-black stylist WANTS to learn proper technique to "do black hair," it's definitely possible, and they'd make more money because of their versatility of doing all kinds of hair and not just one type.

:eyes: not all black people have the same texture of hair, ergo, there is nothing "innocent" about charging black women extra for hairstyling services.

to ten dollars more. I think it is still common practice to do that. I think it has to do with time spent working on the client, I would guess it has more to do with that, then anything else.

All my life every salon I've ever gone to charged nearly twice as much to do a hair cut on a woman then on a man. Made no difference how complicated the cut was, how long the hair was or whatever... men get cheaper haircuts.

as based on hair length, products used, hair texture, etc.
if the practice was based on the length of hair...the accusation would not be what it is.
if the practice was based on using different, more expensive products...the accusation would not be what it is.
if the practice is based on the belief that all black people have hair that is "harder to do"...the accusation MIGHT very well be what it is.
but the accusation is that black women get charged $35.00 for the same service that white women pay $20.00 for.
all of you making excuses...please tell me why you support such a policy. thanks.

the texture of the hair then a salon has a right to charge more.

Is anyone disputing that there is a difference in texture between white and black hair?
If it takes longer to stlye and cut my hair because of the length, then I should expect my time at to salon to cost more.

If it is based on race then I don't believe there is anyone on this board who would support such a policy. Certainly not me.
You are correct, not all African American women have the same hair texture, not all white women do either.
Perhaps a better solution would be to evaluate each client individually and price according to the individual's hair texture and length.

unless you know "IF" any of the speculations as to why dillard's charges black women more for a particular service than white women actually apply in this case...
perhaps they just did it because they could...standard business practice, so to speak.

http://tinyurl.com/d263x

A Texas district judge has ordered Dillard's Department Stores not to destroy certain security personnel notebooks and logs. Plaintiffs in lawsuits pending against the retailer claim the logs may show systematic targeting of minority and low-income shoppers for surveillance and intimidation<snip>

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Happened in Nashville, too.

After all, she is black. And you can see, her hair will take a LOT longer to shampoo and style than a white woman's. :eyes:

and I am sure it would take at least five hours to wash her short natural, just like it would probably only take 30 minutes to wash Andie McDowell's brunette ringlets.

Some women of color wrote that their hair is more difficult to work with.. same as higher prices for longer hair, etc. It's not racism, I think.. but we can't know unless we know the hearts and minds of the salon. I prefer, in my optimism, to believe it's simply because of the specialization and time involved.

Why does it cost $15 more to set a black woman's hair than it does to set a white woman's? I don't get that. What is so complicated about this procedure that it entails a 75% surcharge for black women?

is washing the hair and setting it on curlers and putting the person under the dryer. it could also be washing and blow-drying and hot curling the hair. it is not more difficult if a person skin happens to be a different color because the women with kinkier hair who'd have this done likely have perms, which makes the hair straight. those with dry hair probably need some different products than those with oily hair, but i can't imagine these products cost $15.00 per person. perhaps the difficulty is in the lack of training, but i can't imagine black women in alabama going to a salon with stylists who couldn't do their hair. permed hair is still the choice for many black women in the south, where natural styles aren't as accepted as in some other places.
i am not sure how much black women spend on hair care services and products, but i know it's a lot. perhaps that's why dillard's has the surcharge.
how difficult is it to sell a black woman a car? i read once that black women pay more for cars than just about any other group.

They would need to account for every penny of that difference if I were on the jury, and they'd need to explain why only black women, regardless of hair type, had to pay it.

This is not based on hair type. We all know that. They take one look at the customer and decide what to charge her based on the color of her skin. And that's not racial discrimination? :wtf:

no. if there is no justification for the surcharge, other than skin color, then it's obvious that it is in fact discrimination.
i just did a google search using "blacks charged higher rates"...most revealing.

but i've always understood it to mean, putting in curlers, and sitting under the dryer.


the difference comes in the time to set the hair. you need different products depending on the type of hair, and whether it's been permed or not, and different times under the dryer in order for it to set up, and then there the matter of taking it out of the rollers, and styling it then.


it does take some technique when working with permed hair.

Really? Or is that just a figure someone pulled out of their ass? I think it's probably the latter.

because you also have to handle permed hair very gently, because it's laible to break. it takes the extra effort.


imo no different from charging an extra for long hair.

If i were a black woman, i certainly wouldn't be going to Dillard's for my haircare tho. I doubt many do, unless they have stylists ons taff that specialize in ethnic hair.

75% more?

i get charged more than someone with short hair. that's just par for the course.

for instance - my stylist - charges $15 for short cuts (usually men), $22 for medium length hair, including the blowdry, and $30+ for long hair - depending ont he length and how much you make him work for the blowdry.


nevermind if i want a blowout and he has to break the flat iron out -then it's like $50 total.

And it's because he had to add the product and break the flat iron out - which is par for the course with relaxed hair - not jsut optional. It needs to be moisturized first, washed gently, so as not to break it, setting solution or styling lotion added, then the curlers, under the dryer, and then finished with a curling iron.

and if they are, they wouldn't be done at place like dillards that probably wouldn't be that up on natural hair styles like twists. of course i am referring specifically to black women with kinkier hair textures, and if it's not permed, there's no way in hell it's going to be set.

unless it was "curly hair".


I'm presuming the surcharge is for relaxed hair of some length - not a natural fro.

you, unlike most in this thread, seem to know what you're talking about.

But i did spend a lot of time reading Beaty School texts back in the day, so I would know what to do with myself. I can diagnose several conditions on the basis of your nails and hair - fear me!

i also spend a lot of time in salons, and have plenty of ethnic friends with whom i discuss hair over the years. *lol*

"bulletproof diva" by lisa jones, daugther of the former leroi jones. i have locs now, and boy am i ever glad!!!! i've got plenty of "hair stories" myself. i do fear you :scared: :rofl:

that's actually a hilarious story on some of my perceived difference between Black and White salons (me being neither i get to make these great observations).


I figured in order to get a real job i had to cut my locks - they were real rootsy and only half locked anyway - i freely admit i looked like a homeless street urchin at the time.


Well the salon i went to was a black salon that dealt with all sorts of relaxing and weaves and whatnot. Anyways - i just walked in and said cut it all off.


Well the folks in their really were averse to cuttign my hair off, never mind that's what i wanted.

so they said - well let's try to wash it out - i said that's not gonna work - it's just gonna lock up tighter...and they said we'll try it anyway.

well after about 30 minutes of washing the guy says, geez - it just keeps getting tighter - i said - i told ya so!


so anyways, finally they get up the heart to cut it, but they jsut can't bring themsleves to cut it all off. There's this one spot right at the nape of my neck that hadn't locked up at all, and they refused to cut that hair off. So they cut everything but that off, styled it, and then lovingly took a hot comb to the rather long hair at the nape of my neck.

And i walked out of the salon with a mullet.

I remember walking back to my house, and my ex answering the door and he was like...geez - you look like a mexican gangbanger chick. It was horrible.

they are ghastly!!!! and how about the salons that give everyone the exact, same haircut? i bet everyone walks out of that place you went to with a tail. i have been burned and even permanently scarred by people who didn't know how to do perms...i have had haircuts that forced me to wear hats for months. the locs are a blessing.
when i first grew my locs, i wasn't happy with the way they were growing, so i went to a great clips i used to go to with a few black stylists, and the guy on duty refused to cut my hair. i went home and did it myself.
some black folks have a thing about long hair and will think you're nuts if you want to cut it. i don't get nearly as many questions about my locs as i did when i was practically bald. older women would ask "why did you do that?' LOL
the hair thing is so deep...

Pricing based on race IS racist. And it is a violation of the the Civil Rights Act:

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm

TITLE II--INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AGAINST DISCRIMINATION IN PLACES OF

PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION


SEC. 201. (a) All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

The term ‘Ethnic Hair Care’ traditionally refers to trends, hairstyles, hair problems and solutions for people of African ancestry. It should refer to products and services devoted to the care of tightly curly hair, found in the Black portion of the world’s population of African origin.
It can also be found in other ethnic groups like Caucasians, Semites and Hispanics.

Ethnic hair tends to be very dry, and does not take heat stress well. A product containing alcohol would damage the hair & not appear healthy. Extra products can be used to add sheen. Anyone with naturally curly hair knows the effects of damp weather and dry weather.

When I was in the business years ago, there were only a few manufacturers, such as Goldwell, from Germany, that were gentle enough for all hair types. 15 years ago, there were few salons that would do all hair types. For example, not every salon has a colorist. Sure most can put color on your hair, but few know how to bring natural color to a high lift blonde. Or a color correction from DIY bleaching that has damaged the hair. Done improperly, the hair will break off. The customer will be charged for extra products used in the process. A conditioning treatment maybe nescessary at additional charge to anyone with dry or damaged hair.

If Dillards or (any other large chain) were to discriminate by not taking all hairtype customers, I am under the assumption, they would be sued. I suspect the highlift blonde also gets charged extra for (excuse the pun) being too white.

We only know that washing and setting black women's hair at Dillard's is 75% more expensive than washing and setting white women's hair. No one has explained how washing and setting black women's hair can be so radically different that it costs $15 more.

i now know more about haircare than i wanted to :D
if dillard's is charging extra, shouldn't they be upfront about it?

I was actually turned down by TWO different shops to cut and style my hair.

I finally found a shop to do it and they gave me a quote over the phone. After I got there and they began to work, they increased the quoted price not once - but TWICE.

My hair was very long at the time and very thick and I wanted it cut to my shoulders and layered.

BTW - I'm white.

not because of your race.

- as my hair was more time consuming to style, I had to pay more. The same go for other types of hair, including ethnic hair with extreme texture.

If I am white and am charged more because it takes longer than average to style my hair, then why shouldn't others be charged accordingly - regardless of race?

Otherwise, aren't I being discriminated against because I'm white?

not that women with long or kinkier texture of hair are charged more. i dont't know what dillard's actually policy is, this suit is saying the policy is a form of racial discrimination. several people have stated that dillard's *might* have a policy of charging based on time, texture, and/or the experience of the stylist, however...the suit is alleging racial discrimination based on the notion that "black hair" is harder to do. as to how that applies to you...it doesn't...because women with longer "ethinic hair" would also be charged extra, just as you are charged extra for having longer hair, not because you are white.

i used this example in another post. say my "black hair" is an inch long...is the assumption that my hair is "harder to do" than yours still a valid one? i used to wear my hair very short and permed. since it was so short, it took very little time to perm...maybe 15 minutes. i finally started doing it myself because i thought any salon pricing for my very short hair was robbery.

all three of my siblings have straight hair and they spend less time money on it than most white people I know. Even with my hair, the only time I any use any ethnic styling products is when I use hair gel.

If they want to charge differently for different types of hair fine but skin color should having nothing to do with it. If they feel they don't know how to properly do a person's hair or don't have the right products for it then they ought to charge less because they have less experience. Better yet they should admit their short comings and tell the person I am not capable of doing your hair properly but they should never charge more just to experiment.

i had to pay to get a few awful haircuts fixed given by folks who should have just said NO :7

even the ones with short hair? or is this just an american thing?

Shouldn't I be charged the "Black" rate too?

But I'm not gonna say a THING, because I'll be flamed as a "Racist".

I'll just say that Honky Hair is MUCH easier to work with, especially with chemicals.

The salon I trade at charges $10 for a cut, no matter WHAT your genitals look like or what colour you are.

but some people, other than white people, have what you call honky hair, so it's really about the texture of one's hair, and the training the stylist has in working with different hair types.

and...no one can tell me that it would be harder for an experienced stylist to perm my hair, say if it was an inch long, than it would be for her to do anything to the hair of someone with 15 inches of 'honky hair'...that doesn't even make common sense.

i have gone to stylists who clearly has no idea how to deal with my hair...i just found ones who did.

but what do genitals have to do with anything?:shrug:

The salon I trade at charges $10 for a cut, no matter WHAT your genitals look like or what colour you are.

I'm not a hairstylist so I don't know what is involved but I really don't buy that there is that much of a product and/or time difference involved in cutting/styling black womens' hair over white womens' hair.


Do these salons charge women with very long or complex hair styles more?