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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:12 PM
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A thought about Chris Matthews
I was taking note of something he said today about Dean, which Dean picked up on and put on his site;
"Chris Matthews said something worth noting today -- "The only reason to be in politics is to be out there all alone and be proven right" "He's singled out himself as a broad alternative to the republican in the White House, on Iraq, on the growing deficits....To be out there all alone and proven right. Howard Dean is out there all alone. The only question, and its a big one, is whether he'll be proven right. What this country needs is a smart, sharp, and illuminating debate. Howard Dean has stepped up. Now its time for the other Democrats to.""
http://www.blogforamerica.com/

I say Tweetie is looking for a hero; he really wants a leader he can look up to, which would explain why he lashed out so hard at Clinton. Here, he thought he could look up to President Clinton and he felt let down and bitter about it. That would also explain that idiotic bit of gushing over Bush*s "manliness" on the carrier; he was trying to talk himself into believing the chimp's leadership abilities. But, notice what happens when the chance for a really meaty political debate shows up. His juices are flowing again. He's rediscovering his own love for politics again. What do you think? I think it's worth keeping a regular eye on him.
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TheBigGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:30 PM
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1. I had always suspected Mathews heart was on the liberal side.
Just from his op-ed writings in the San Francisco Examiner back in the 1980s...he was consistently the most progressive, liberal voice on their op-ed page. So its tough for me to buy that he is at heart a conservative or rightwinger.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:35 PM
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4. He worked for Tip O'Neil
So, I find it hard that anyone that worked for Tip O'Neil is conservative.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 06:51 AM
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32. G.E.;Jack Welch; Too Many Books to Sell;Big Georgetown Mortgage
That about wraps-up Washington Whoredom for this Week:spank:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:33 PM
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2. I noticed that on the Matthews show and tried to load the Dean
blog, but I got stuck! I think you have something here. Matthews sounded INSPIRED! It jumped out at me. He was no longer the cynic at all. And his words were combined with some of the best footage the Dean campaign has, in particular, the end of Dean's Restoration Speech. It was amazing.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:34 PM
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3. We just talked about this at my house today
and reached pretty much the same conclusion! He really did a con job on himself about Bushco so I don't find him trustworthy but I was glad he's able to perceive some of Dean's qualities.

While I don't intend to watch him- caught the Dean bit by chance- some enthusiasm on the part of the media for a Dem is good. They can't hate ALL of us!

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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:35 PM
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5. I heard him, and thought it the best he's done in a very long time.
n/t
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:38 PM
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7. Russert did ask Rummy hard questions...
so did Stephanopolous, and Schieffer went after Condi.

It's time.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:37 PM
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6. maybe Matthews sees an opening
and hopes the mainstream of the Democratic party can rise to the occasion
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:38 PM
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8. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be condescending...

But when will you folks ever learn? Matthews may, on occasion, say something not completely venomous about a Democrat, but NEVER EVER in direct opposition to *.

I have seen a hundred threads on DU that are variations of the theme of "Has Tweety finally seen the light?", etc. And the answer is always a resounding "NO".

Tweety will ALWAYS come back to worship his Chimp in tight denim. He's a WHORE. And one of the worst of them.

Nothing is worth watching his pathetically low-rated show.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:47 PM
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11. Disagree
<"He's a WHORE. And one of the worst of them">

I disagree. There are others out there who disgust me MUCH more than him. I think Hannity and O'Reilly are far worse.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:47 PM
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I agree completely.
NEVER EVER EVER trust Tweety. He will give you bon mottes one day and throw hand grenades at you the next. He runs hot and cold.

If he's cozying up to our side now, it's only because he smells blood. A shark only know how to eat and how to swim. He will eat whatever bleeds. That's Tweety I'm afraid.

I'm glad he's singing our song for the moment. But it won't last.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:47 PM
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12. Thank you Sagan!! not as bad as praising Pat Buchanan but still...
people need to get a grip!!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:48 PM
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13. But betray his trust
and he can be lethal. He was with Clinton. He wanted it to be different with Bush. If Tweety feels betrayed by Bush, all bets are off.

Remember, he voted for Clinton. He voted for Bush and now it appears Bush is betraying us all in a way that is even worse than Clinton. I don't see Matthews blowing this off.

MzPip
:dem:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:08 PM
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16. I'm not getting gooey about Tweetie
I just think his love of good politics will win out. Given the choice between a great debate and fawning over * (particularly now), he'll go for the debate. As the debate gets juicier, he'll want better guests on to go into it with him. That said, disappoint him and he WILL turn on you.

As an aside, the Views column is amazing. Before DU2, we could only guess if anyone was reading if they didn't post, but there were over 20 views within 2 minutes before there were any replies. COOL!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:55 PM
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23. Like a dog returning to his vomit, Tweety will soon be back ...
propping up Bushco. Count on it.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 06:54 AM
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33. "the president's remarks were Churchillian!"
"He was annointed atop that pike of rubble. Like a bombed out London...":puke: :wtf: :puke: Need I continue? Tweety: 20 Sept. 2001
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:39 PM
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9. I watched his show for the first time today
because I usually can't stand the spin shows, and hate the yelling ones.

I was surprised to hear someone ANYONE, in fact, saying something which wasn't a slam on a dem...which shows how liberal the media is, to me.

And, yes, I think Matthews was saying "FINALLY!"

Which is what I've been saying, too. Matthews noted the battle, too..Vermont with socialist rep and Dean as the most fiscally conservative gov of Vermont in a while.

Sorry to say, but Kucinich, for all his useful and needed attacks on Bush, will suffer because of the ability of tv to make superficial issues important (as in Dukakis in a big helmet.)

Dean, Kerry, Graham, at this point, seem to have the ability to make a case for us and against Bush.

Dems need to offer a future, a vision to Americans which is not tied to the Bush junta's fear tactics and "peace is unnatural" view of power.

I want a prez candidate who can talk about a future for America, and talk about how Bush is hindering this future by being the president of and for the oil cartel.

Energize America's Future!

that's my slogan to give away to talk about sustainable energy.

the farmers would love talk about ethanol, it's not prone to propaganda like hemp and the lies surrounding it.

why not have a candidate who goes to places building straw bale houses via habitat for humanity, for example? I know one which will be built soon in just that way.

send Dean down to my little corner of the world. he'll find he has lots of supporters here, btw.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:41 PM
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10. Shocked but happy for any positive press!
DEAN for AMERICA
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Lastgasp Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:57 PM
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14. Something to remember about Matthews . . .
He has been utterly orgasmic about Dubya at times in the past; and has likened the chimp to Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Winston Churchill. Put Matthews on a show together with Peggy Noonan discussing the virtues of Dubya and your stomach will be doing flip-flops. Still, if Matthews is at long last speaking favorably about Dean and/or other Democrats more power to him.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:00 PM
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15. Does wonk have video of Matthews talking about DEAN?
That would be a treat!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:11 PM
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17. Tweety is schizophrenic.
He has no idea what he believes....however, he is quite certain when he states his opinion AND when he contradicts himself the next day.

He doesn't lack resolve or forcefulness....he's just sorta like a squirrel crossing a heavily traveled road....he darts back and forth.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:30 PM
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20. I would say that is a good summation of tweety...especially
the part about the "squirrel crossing the road".
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:18 PM
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18. I'm with Merlin, Catch22, Sagan, and Jonnyblitz
Tweety is an IDIOT-"smarter"-than-THOU-sell-out (have I said IDIOT?).

Let's see, let's go through ALL the REHAB Tweety ideas: 1) He worked for Tip (He BETRAYED TIP), His Parents were Repukes (& so is HE), He was against the Iraq-attack (So? Yeah, until Shrub looked like he "won"), His DAMNED KIDS might have been DRAFT AGED (there IS no draft).

Can ANYBODY make a case FOR Tweety?

Let's continue: He BADGERED Kathleen WILLEY and HE named a name that was FALSE, which led to Pat BUCHANAN's mentally disabled brother into a GUN INCIDENT. He BELITTLED GORE throughout Campaign 2000. He has started belittling DEAN as being "short--------5-6"---------

Why would ANYBODY who calls themselves a DEMOCRAT stand up for Chris-the-IDIOT-MATTHEWS??????????????!!!!!!!!!!! Just Asking.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:20 PM
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19. To: Orig.Poster----You Haven't Thought MUCH about Tweety, Have You. n/t
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:32 PM
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21. Is that...
?

Actually, until reading the comment about Matthews on Dean's blog, I hadn't thought of him for several years, except to switch channels in disgust when he came on. I was in the other room this morning, listening, but not watching, and I heard him say that and I thought there was a change in tone. Some of us remember the good Tweetie; when he was merely an egotistical loudmouth, rather than a whore.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:47 PM
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22. I Love DUers, HATE Tweety
Don't get his network-NBC show, so maybe I'm misjudging. But he has been a PRICK for over 5 years on his MSRNC show, which we all know is catered to OLDER, RICHER, WINGNUTS. He's a jerk. But I don't mean to skewer YOU (my fellow DU-er).
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:02 PM
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24. Naive. Sorry, Cassandra
Anyone who was as successful as he was at bashing Clinton, the Clinton administration, Hillary (and probablly Chelsea, under his breath) and anyone who is as cordial to Democrat enemies - is not an idealist. He is a major NBC prostitute. His Democratic phoniness equals Dick Morris's loyalty. HE IS NBC< MSNBC< CNBC< Genl Elec and the right wing rolled into one.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:06 PM
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25. I like Mathews!
Sure hes biased at times but he usually asks decent questions and he doesnt suffer people trying to weasle out of them.

Heh people here seem to hate him.

Ahh well hes just a talk show guy.

Ill take him before say larry king, sean hanity, bill oriely and a bevy of others.

Least he seems to be at least looking at howard dean before he spouts off about him wich is more than I can say for a lot of the media.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:11 PM
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27. He Calls DEAN "the short guy"
Haven't been watching, have we. LK don't belong in the same list as HANNITY and O'WHORELY. But, anyWAY, our judgment is our judgment-----that's why we vote the way we do.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:32 PM
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31. Dont get to see him all the time
no

But when I do see him I usually am not put off by him.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:09 PM
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26. No Mathews just knows the tide is turning........
and wants to be on the winning side. I predicted this many mos. ago.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:17 PM
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28. He's Not So "Smart" as We Give Him Credit for. n/t
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:19 PM
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29. I'm encouraged, then
if he thinks we're the winning side.
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:30 PM
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30. He is gross
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 07:01 AM
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34. I have learned to dislike Tweety Matthews!
he is a media whore, IMHO.
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