Did Kerry Make D's At Yale?

Not that it really matters... but can anyone debunk this?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF

He did. He was an indifferent student at Yale. Then he went to Vietnam and the experience seems to have left an impression on him. (I heard he had a rather difficult experience over there, anyone else?) It could be that the indifference to grades might have changed later on. Why, have you heard him talk? What do you think, did he change or what?

The D's that Bush got fit into his character as a whole. He's just not a curious person. Whereas Kerry's story is one of growth as a person.

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When?

I heard that on the so-called news this morning but heard that it was C's.
The way CNN produced this story was to try to show that bu$h was as smart as Kerry. Ho ho ho.... they sort of left out the part that bu$h's daddy purchased his C's and that Kerry probably earned his!

I don't have a lot of respect for Kerry these days but any simpleton can tell that he is miles ahead of bu$h in the education dept!

reporting "real" news

same whores

glad I don't watch U.S. media crap anymore

and that chimpy's cumulative avg was one point highter - 76% to 77%. But who cares? That high score must have come from the bottom of a bottle.

he consistently improved over his time at Yale, while Commander Cuckoo Bananas stagnated.

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I nearly flunked out of college (or would have been put on serious probation) my first semester. I dropped half my courses because I was failing them, changed one to Pass/Fail and scraped by with C's in the rest.

I finished college Magna Cum Laude.

You can't judge people by their first year in college, it's their last that's the most important.

Is that Bush got in as a legacy and then just drifted on 'gentleman' C's...He never improved, he never cared. He got some good scores in classes that probably grabbed his attention, but he was generally apathetic

Kerry on the other hand came in and struggled his first year with a number of D's. He wasn't a Bush. He pulled himself up though and by his senior year was a B student.

Keep in mind these grades are Yale grades from forty years ago for both men. A B at Yale in 65 would probably garner an A at any school today.

Also putting aside the grades it's important to recognzie two things. What did these men do after college and for the remainder of their lives? Do either of them show signs of a degenerative disease?

Bush was no dummy. Just look at his debating skills when he ran for Texas govenor. The whole "bush is stupid" meme is in iteslf dumb. He wasn't an idiot, it's just that he probably has presenile dementia.

In the modern Ivy League, Kerry probably would have been forced to take a year off.

to Kerry and Chimpy talk they can't tell who is more intelligent? Geeze, Louise, anybody want to stand on their freshman grades 40 years later? Besides the obvious difference in IQs, Bush carried his lack of studious endeavors through his entire four years, graduate school, his businesses and careers and now into the White House. Chimpy even makes Reagan look alive and alert during his last four Oval years. Apparently an easy feat for the Chimpmeister.

And the important thing is Kerry got in on his merit - not a legacy of the esteemed committee of "Good grief, here comes another "moranic" Bush, bump a real student to give this asswipe a spot" admittance group.

When is the media gonna start reporting on things like war, economy, healthcare, DSM, judges, etc? I'll give them a leg up. Kerry did not win the election. And the world already knows Chimpy is a stupid," "moranic, cheating, lying, warmongering, frat boy asswipe who has very important friends to carry him through life in exchange for special favors. Now go write about what the dumb ass is doing to this country.

that were supposed to "prove" that Kerry was a traitor and got a dishonorable discharge? And this is all they could come up with?

...because his Yale grades prove it. Morning gal (cant think of her name) was SMIRKING when she reported this. Surprised?

I watched the debates. If Bush is smarter than Kerry than there must have been something wring with my TV set.

his schoolwork.

His grades IMPROVED and he ACHIEVED his higher class rating, while Bush's DADDY bought his "gentleman C's" they gave to ALL powerful rich kids at the time.

I'm not terribly impressed that he nearly flunked out of school because of some hobby.

That said, the trajectory is better than Bush's, to be sure. In hiring and graduate school admittance, officers often look at trajectory rather than absolute grades. But of course, your bone today is to mock Mr. Kerry's grades, so have at it, boss.

It's also curious that they use a four year cumulative for Mr. Kerry and a three year cumulative for Mr. Bush. Strange, that.

I really just have a bone to pick with a lot of the Ivy Leaguers of the 40s, 50s, and 60s who really didn't get in on merit and were then spring-boarded to positions of power. These schools didn't change to a meritocracy until the mid 70s.

Cultural capital circulates unevenly in a class-striated society? Get out!

It's annoying.

Why should that be considered a bad thing? He should be commended for getting his ass in gear by his sophomore year.

My point about concentration on flying lessons was that Bush took a million of our tax dollars to learn to fly and FAILED, cuz he didn't have the character or nerve to follow through and complete his training at age 27.

Kerry gets attacked for not excelling his freshman year because he WAS concentrating on completing his flying training at age 19.

and why does Kerry act like an intelligent, articulate, thoughtful, mature grown-up?

Oh well... I guess we were doomed to have a C-student for president this year no matter how you cut it. I would still take the one who improved over time, but that's just me.

esp in math. So the kid didn't apply himself the first year. I've know plenty of college kids who sucked their first semester or two, because they partied too much and were enjoying their freedom too much. Eh.

That's what the rethugs do-don't discuss it and it will fade away. Let's use their tactics for a change. I for one, refuse to play their bullshit game.

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on the rest of your life.

Lets compare grades, or service duty records. Who was the better man? Who still is?

Plus, let's be honest...he was a privileged rich boy, too. Prep schools..."Skull and Bones"...c'mon. He didn't have to excel to get scholarships to pay for his education, like Clinton did.

So, the differences between young Kerry and young Bush are that one went out of his way to be put in Vietnam and one went out of his way to avoid it.

One can speak a second language fluently (French), while another can't even speak his first language all that well (and he only mouths a few phrases in Spanish, often incorrectly; he's nowhere near fluent).

One is an interesting enough man to hold the attention of a cosmopolitan woman like Teresa Heinz. The other could only attract a simple hayseed like Laura Welch (and hey, she might be "royalty" for Texas, but that's still "vulgarian" almosy anywhere else).

And finally, there was the direct, side-by-side comparison of the two at their debates. One was reasonably articulate, informed, and poised. The other was Bush.

Cold-blooded killer and drug dealer, perhaps, but no hayseed.

Neither will be running for President again. (No, I don't think Kerry will be the nominee this time.)

It seems the RW is desperately trying to put some flesh and blood on their strawman again by comparing him to his adversary.

"See, he's not so bad after all!"

especially if I didn't know what the school was like.

I was in the upper 10% my high school class of 1000. I did not work very hard and I tested well, so my scores were good enough to get in to a very good college.

But everyone there was in the upper 10% of their high school class. I lived in a house with a lot of girls from small towns, and most of them were valedictorians- but from a class of 25 or 50. Suddenly we were in an atmosphere where EVERYONE was smart, and we were competing with each other. That first year of college was a real shocker, gradewise. I worked my ass off and ended up with a C and D in chemistry.

In graduate school everyone was smart, but there was grade inflation!

... or look like a bunch of raging hypocrites!

Oh wait -- they ARE a bunch of raging hypocrites. My mistake!

Then I got 4 B's and a D.

It finally dawned on me that I wasn't built to take 5 classes at a time.

I stand in solidarity with our slightly imperfect former candidate. Sometimes academic grades are not the proper measure for one's intelligence.

Weren't these grades available before? That's what I want to know.