Why don't the French, Germans, and Russians state the obvious?

They WILL NOT commit troops to Iraq because it is such a mess. They did not support the war, and they did not trust the U.S. plan (I know, what plan?) for post-war occupation. They didn't believe for one moment that our troops would be welcomed with open arms. They see the chaos and how many of our soldiers are being shot and will not commit to such a bungled operation. Le Monde has had a number of articles stating this very case (though relishing in the fact that Bush looks like a tool). But I want someone on network news or someone quoted in NY Times or Wash. Post.

You would think a nice plate of "I told you so" served to the administration would be coming. Do they fear the economic repercussions that much? They were fond of calling Bush an idiot before the war (which he was) but they refrain from it now when his foreign policy is demonstrably a failure? Maybe Canada will come to the rescue and just say it.

On the other hand, it may have a rally effect for Bush. Then Jack-In-The-Box will have to rename the Croissandwich. The horror, the horror.

They are probably thinking "I told you so" (translated from Russian, French and German, of course) but know that it doesn't serve anybody's purpoise to gloat. Now if we could only teach our country's "leaders".

I remember diplomats calling Bush an idiot, a cowboy. That wasn't too diplomatic. In fact, they were right. The U.S. has repeatedly called on the UN to send forces to help. All I'm saying is that the reasons stated above (they didn't suport the war, they wanted inspections to continue, Iraq is unsafe, chaotic) would answer complaints from the U.S. about lack of UN involvement.

And, quite honestly, it's quite satisfying to tell cocky, know-it-all, war mongering, prancing on a flight deck in a Tom Cruise Halloween outfit, monkey dicks that they were wrong and that they're extremely dangerous.

Finally, you are, of course, absolutely correct in your post. But the Bushies are such ass clowns. I'm sure the Europeans can find some diplomatic way to say I told you so.

the "idiot" & "moron" comments we heard coming from members of the governments of other countries were never meant for public consumption. They were, for the most part, leaked to the press. Wouldn't it be delicious, though, to have heard what they said behind closed doors?:-)

and louder and clearer than any verbal statement they could make.

They are voting with their feet, er..boots.....no boots on the ground in EyeRack

(whaddya think we are, crazy?!?!?)

Invade the land and steal thier natural resources.

Germany and Russia have a fairly recent memory of how soul sucking, dehumanizing, bloody, violent and destructive empire building is.
If you go to Duetchland you will see the effects of how horrible it was on them(and they were the occupiers. France didn't want in because it knows what it's like to be invaded and occupied.

thinking about how damn smart and astute they are and were because they didn't fall for *'s bullshit!

that shrub pedalled in his SOTU. They probably assessed it as bogus within a few days of seeing it and told bush they didn't believe it. Then, they sat through Powell's string of lies at the UN. I'm sure they could hardly believe their ears. I'm sure they warned the bushies that if they presented this bogus crap as "evidence" that they wouldn't support the bogus war.

Simple.

Now, they have the luxury of sitting back, waiting for the bushies to BEG them for help. Worse, they'll be begging for help on the EU's terms, rather than their own.

The Europeans are showing patience. France will emerge as the leader of the EU while the UK - thanks to the poodle - will see their influence and importance diminish in the EU and around the world. Blair will be jettisoned and will be replaced by much less-friendly-to-the-bushies PM.

Remember, these nations all belong to the UN. They all know that they were mandated to share intelligence on Iraq. They know that Blair is LYING when he states that the UK had other info that they didn't share with the US in the run-up to the war. Now that the media is actually paying attention, they see bush putting the blame for Nigergate on his only real ally, Blair. They also know that shrub, rummy, condi and the rest continue to lie through their teeth to save their own skins, just like they have done for the past year. They see them going down, and they don't want to be sucked down with them.

Patience, patience...

SNIP....."You don't have to be vindicated when you make the right decision," he told a news conference, recalling that Canada opposed the war because it did not have explicit backing from the U.N. Security Council.

He suggested that Bush should have listened to his advice prior to launching the conflict.

"We were pushing for more inspections," Chrétien said, referring to United Nations weapons inspectors, whose work was cut short by the U.S.-led attack."


http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1058050506471&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Why the hell should the world/UN bother with America?
Those countries you listed as well as China had agreements with Iraq...the US is playing games.
The US bugged the UN and their 'puppet regime' under Security Council approval still pays 'reparations' to Kuwait (Hey the clown Shamabla..wasn't he convicted in absentia by Kuwaitii courts for setting up a 'shell' bank)
Since the US...either Clinton or Bush take your pick...doesn't accept International Aurthority, rejects International agreements...Why bother
They and their citizens weren't stupid/idiots in opposing the war...DO YOU actually think they want to share Haliburton/Dyncorpse etc expense account with NO payback...
Jeez
:mad:

I think both France and Germany have said they'd send troops IF the U.S. went thru the U.N. and got approval.

And that's as it should be, IMO.

Eloriel

Worldwide the only people who actually believe Bush's claims are the ~50% of Americans who are Republicans or have no access to world news that isn't filtered to fit their pious and foolish misunderstandings.

The other group didn't believe the lies, they couldn't have cared less. They were just glad we were doing this. That group of people being Al-Qeada.

Though it must have confused them greatly. They murder 3000 of our people, and we turn around and do their dirty work for them. Osama must have scratched a hole in his head over that one.

The countries mention disagreed with the US action. If you were in one of those countries what would you think? Your voice doesn't count. You don't vote in US elections.
So now what would you do.
France has started a world TV/News network to get their point of view out.
Germany and France have agreed to a new/different military arrangement.
Russia is getting closer to India.
The US didn't listen and went their own way. This has scared these countries and shown them their weakness.
Don't expect a show-down in the news. Look for these countries making alliances and allowing the US to spend, spend, spemd...
I would think that even if the US were to bring in a new administration that would move back to the UN or listening to so called partners that these countries would take a long time to trusting their soverignity in the US.

If you want change don't count on someone else doing it.

In a nut shell:nopity: